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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 5, 2009 11:23:03 GMT -5
So I was flipping through the channels on the television last night, and I came across an old movie called "The Fleet's In" on Turner Classic. It looked interesting, so I lingered for a moment, and I was soon rewarded by one of the characters using the phrase "killer diller" to describe our old friend William Holden. "It's no use trying to cover up any longer, Casey. The whole ship knows you're a Killer Diller." The exchange is here at 3:54. Another scene references both boxing and the Dakota, which just happens to be the name of the ship that Holden's character is assigned to. "The Fleet's In" (1942) Wiki and IMDB below: www.imdb.com/title/tt0034736/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fleet%27s_InNow, a lot of you old-timers will automatically understand why this all piqued my interest, but I'll provide a bit of background for those who aren't completely up to speed. "Polythene Pam" contains the line "she's killer diller when she's dressed to the hilt". In the 1957 movie "The Bridge on the River Kwai", William Holden plays an enlisted man who IMPERSONATES a dead officer named SHEARS. So, in essence, we have William (Holden) Shears, or Billy Shears. Further, in a later scene, Holden's character is pretending to be insane and he says: "I'm getting worse, you know. Sometimes I think I'm Admiral Halsey." So, here we have William "Billy" Shears pretending to be Admiral Halsey, which is just too juicy to pass up, considering the Billy Shears/Sgt. Pepper connection and the McCartney song "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey". And of course, during my investigation, I also came across the following film: Killer Diller (1948)Cast: * Dusty Fletcher as Dusty * George Wiltshire as Dumdone, the Manager * Butterfly McQueen as Butterfly * Nellie Hill as Lola, His Fianée * Freddie Robinson as Sarge * William Campbell as Policeman * Edgar Martin as Policeman * Sidney Easton as Policeman * Augustus Smith as Stage Hand * Moms Mabley as Moms * Ken Renard as The Great Voodoo This is very interesting because Paul McCartney was rumored to have been replaced by a man named William Campbell, and one version has it that Campbell was a Canadian Police Officer. See the Junior Campbell thread for lots more on a different William Campbell. invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4878&page=1So what I always thought was just another of Lennon's nice sounding word plays (Killer Diller) actually seems to be yet another reference to our saga. Killer Diller. Indeed.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 5, 2009 15:51:38 GMT -5
Can one of you audiophile types with your fancy systems do me a favor and work on the strange vocal bit in Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey?
The bit right after he says "the butter wouldn't melt so I put it in the pie".
Slow it down
Speed it up.
Reverse it.
Isolate it.
Do whatever you gotta do to make it discernible.
Please?
I'm referring to the part at 3:06 here:
...and incidentally, this is a VERY interesting promo clip.
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Post by Jude on Nov 5, 2009 22:20:39 GMT -5
I think he is saying "Oh bollocks". But he says it so quickly it sounds a little more like "no dollops".
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 6, 2009 8:37:24 GMT -5
I think he is saying "Oh bollocks". But he says it so quickly it sounds a little more like "no dollops". That's a possibility Jude, but something about it sounds backwards to me.
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Post by Jude on Nov 6, 2009 10:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 6, 2009 10:33:00 GMT -5
Jude said:
"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is one of Paul's most PIDtastic ™ songs and an absolute favorite of mine"I agree on both of those sentiments. The William Holden angle has LONG fascinated me, which is why I went into PWR overload the second I heard "killer diller" applied to Holden in "The Fleet's In". As for the phrase in the song, I believe that you're correct in your assessment that he's saying "Oh, alright". Darn! Thanks a lot for your effort! P(D)
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Post by Jude on Nov 6, 2009 11:32:58 GMT -5
Jude said:
"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is one of Paul's most PIDtastic ™ songs and an absolute favorite of mine"I agree on both of those sentiments. The William Holden angle has LONG fascinated me, which is why I went into PWR overload the second I heard "killer diller" applied to Holden in "The Fleet's In". As for the phrase in the song, I believe that you're correct in your assessment that he's saying "Oh, alright". Darn! Thanks a lot for your effort! P(D) I think you are really on to something with the William Holden angle! A Canadian policeman played by William Campbell, William Holden impersonating a dead policeman named Shears, and references to Admiral Halsey...all in one movie? It'd be hard to imagine this film not playing a major role in the development of the PID conspiracy/hoax. And the lyrics to the song Admiral Halsey are so rife with PID connotations, particularly since Paul really did have an Uncle Albert....I don't know whether or not you were the first to notice the William Holden connection(s), but--good job, anyway! I hope you find more clues like the ones posted here, because it feels like such a fresh breath of air from the usual Occult/Egyptian/Crowlian/Illuminati BS that 99% of PID research seems to be constituted of these days.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 9, 2009 10:58:25 GMT -5
Jude said:
"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey is one of Paul's most PIDtastic ™ songs and an absolute favorite of mine"I agree on both of those sentiments. The William Holden angle has LONG fascinated me, which is why I went into PWR overload the second I heard "killer diller" applied to Holden in "The Fleet's In". As for the phrase in the song, I believe that you're correct in your assessment that he's saying "Oh, alright". Darn! Thanks a lot for your effort! P(D) I think you are really on to something with the William Holden angle! A Canadian policeman played by William Campbell, William Holden impersonating a dead policeman named Shears, and references to Admiral Halsey...all in one movie? It'd be hard to imagine this film not playing a major role in the development of the PID conspiracy/hoax. And the lyrics to the song Admiral Halsey are so rife with PID connotations, particularly since Paul really did have an Uncle Albert....I don't know whether or not you were the first to notice the William Holden connection(s), but--good job, anyway! I hope you find more clues like the ones posted here, because it feels like such a fresh breath of air from the usual Occult/Egyptian/Crowlian/Illuminati BS that 99% of PID research seems to be constituted of these days. Thanks Jude. I don't know if I was the first to come up with the William Holden angle, as there are so many theories scattered about, but I did come up with it independent of anyone else who may have discovered it before me, and I've posted about it on this board in the past. And speaking of William holden... "Holden was born as William Franklin Beedle, Jr." and "His first starring role was in Golden Boy (1939), in which he played a violinist turned boxer." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_HoldenAnd as for what you've called the "Occult/Egyptian/Crowlian/Illuminati BS", well, I go where the evidence takes me, and sometimes, it takes me there as well. I really don't think that it's any more or less "bullshit" than William (the Winged) Beedle Holden.
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Post by B on Nov 9, 2009 11:24:37 GMT -5
I'd been wondering where this fit in. The Boxer(Well at least it wasn't Phyllis! [Diller]) Sorry P(D)enny. ;D P.S. Note the extra lyrics in this version: " After changes we are more or less the same"
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Post by B on Nov 9, 2009 11:33:00 GMT -5
I think the words after "butter pie" in Admiral Halsey are "Oh horror" - like: Oh the horror of melting butter into the pie. Such a cuisine faux-paul!
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 9, 2009 11:53:08 GMT -5
I mentioned this last year as well, but I think it bears repeating here. For those who haven't seen the film NETWORK, Peter Finch plays a network news anchor named Howard Beale. The network has recently been purchased by one of those evil corporations we hear (so little) about, and it's been determined that Beale will "retire" due to bad ratings. That is, of course, until Bea Tle mentions on his broadcast that he intends to blow his brains out ON THE AIR on his last night. Initially, the corporation decides to fire him on the spot, but soon change their minds when they realize that Bea Tle's tantrum has captured the nation's anger and can be exploited as a ratings phenomenon. The corporation rides the coattails of Bea Tle's success, making money hand-over-fist, until Bea Tle decides to use his new voice to OUT a shady takeover of the corporation by a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, thus ruining a multu-billion dollar deal. At this point, instead of firing Bea Tle, the head of the Corporation (Ned Beatty) enlists Bea Tle to change the message of his show from one of anger and action into one of passive acceptance of a corporatist, NWO scenario. In fact, it's an absolutely amazing scene, during which Beatty says the following: "There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and Dupont, DOW, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those ARE the nations of the world today. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that . . . perfect world . . . in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel." To which, Bea Tle responds: "Why me?" Beatty replies: "Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday. "
Hell, just watch it here: When ratings for the new Bea Tle message begin to sag, the revenue loss doesn't seem to trouble the Beatty character, because his real goal is to use Bea Tle as a tool of cultural influence. It DOES trouble a group at the network (headed by Faye Funaway!) who don't understand Beatty's agenda and don't want Bea Tle's sliding rantings to ruin their reputations. The movie ends with the on-air assassination of Bea Tle. Could it be that NETWORK is partially an allegory of the Beatles as tools of cultural influence, and that Howard Bea Tle represents Paul? Oh, and the best part is that William Holden was nominated for an Oscar for his role as Bea Tle's old friend and supporter Max Schumacher in Network.
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Post by thisone on Nov 9, 2009 15:49:53 GMT -5
Boy you have a habit of doing that!
I watched Network about four weeks ago, I have to admit I got bored and killed it about 3/4 ways through.
But that is a very interesting observation PD!!
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Post by puzzled on Nov 9, 2009 17:52:51 GMT -5
"Killer Diller" reminded me of the movie "Ball of Fire" with Barbara Stanwyck. When she sings the "Drum Boogie" song the lyrics say...
"The Cat's a Killer Diller"
and then there is a close-up of the professor writing Killer Diller in his notebook.
The movie is about a group of professors that are trying to write a book about the new slang.
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Post by B on Nov 9, 2009 18:06:31 GMT -5
Goodness, gracious! Great eye of Horus! (Play it sideways) from wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_of_Fire"The script was written by Charles Brackett, Thomas Monroe, and Billy Wilder from a short story written by Wilder while he was still in Europe, and based in part on the fairy tale Snow White. The professors themselves were based on the dwarfs from Walt Disney's animated film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Although Ball of Fire was directed ably by Howard Hawks, Wilder had already decided that he needed to direct his screenplays to protect them from studio and other director's interference. Hawks was happy to let Wilder study his directing on the set and Wilder thereafter directed his own films. The film was the second feature of 1941 to pair Cooper and Stanwyck, following Meet John Doe."
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on May 28, 2010 20:49:40 GMT -5
So I was flipping through the channels on the television last night, and I came across an old movie called "The Fleet's In" on Turner Classic. It looked interesting, so I lingered for a moment, and I was soon rewarded by one of the characters using the phrase "killer diller" to describe our old friend William Holden. "It's no use trying to cover up any longer, Casey. The whole ship knows you're a Killer Diller." The exchange is here at 3:54. Another scene references both boxing and the Dakota, which just happens to be the name of the ship that Holden's character is assigned to. "The Fleet's In" (1942) Wiki and IMDB below: www.imdb.com/title/tt0034736/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fleet%27s_InNow, a lot of you old-timers will automatically understand why this all piqued my interest, but I'll provide a bit of background for those who aren't completely up to speed. "Polythene Pam" contains the line "she's killer diller when she's dressed to the hilt". In the 1957 movie "The Bridge on the River Kwai", William Holden plays an enlisted man who IMPERSONATES a dead officer named SHEARS. So, in essence, we have William (Holden) Shears, or Billy Shears. Further, in a later scene, Holden's character is pretending to be insane and he says: "I'm getting worse, you know. Sometimes I think I'm Admiral Halsey." So, here we have William "Billy" Shears pretending to be Admiral Halsey, which is just too juicy to pass up, considering the Billy Shears/Sgt. Pepper connection and the McCartney song "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey". And of course, during my investigation, I also came across the following film: Killer Diller (1948)Cast: * Dusty Fletcher as Dusty * George Wiltshire as Dumdone, the Manager * Butterfly McQueen as Butterfly * Nellie Hill as Lola, His Fianée * Freddie Robinson as Sarge * William Campbell as Policeman * Edgar Martin as Policeman * Sidney Easton as Policeman * Augustus Smith as Stage Hand * Moms Mabley as Moms * Ken Renard as The Great Voodoo This is very interesting because Paul McCartney was rumored to have been replaced by a man named William Campbell, and one version has it that Campbell was a Canadian Police Officer. See the Junior Campbell thread for lots more on a different William Campbell. invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4878&page=1So what I always thought was just another of Lennon's nice sounding word plays (Killer Diller) actually seems to be yet another reference to our saga. Killer Diller. Indeed. So I was just watching Stalag 17 on Turner Classic Movies, and one of the characters mentions killer diller. It's all the more interesting to us because this is another movie with William Beedle Holden playing a soldier. His character is named Sgt. J.J. Sefton. www.imdb.com/title/tt0046359/Read the entire thread to refresh your memories as to why this is relevant. P(D)
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 25, 2010 17:02:45 GMT -5
ah-ha, finally found the right thread - was just watching family guy when they referenced Admiral Halsey, who I didn't realise was a real person. So I typed him in to wikipedia to check him out and lo and behold I find that Halsey was known as 'Bull' or 'Bill' Halsey. Small detail, but yet another Bill pops up in the long and winding PID trail. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Halsey,_Jr.
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Post by malevans on Jul 26, 2010 13:18:43 GMT -5
and the connectiion to paul mcartney is?
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 27, 2010 6:24:25 GMT -5
and the connectiion to paul mcartney is? the connections are that paul wrote the song 'uncle albert/admiral halsey', and that the name bill has popped up again for the umpteenth time. sorry, its not exactly a mind boggling revelation. i just thought i'd come here and post it for posterity as it hadn't been mentioned before.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Mar 6, 2011 15:55:47 GMT -5
More boxing. Read the entire thread for context, but the point is that here's ANOTHER boxing reference that ties in with our enigma. "Boxer and amateur pilot Joe Pendleton (Robert Montgomery) flies his small plane to his next fight in New York City, but crashes when a control cable severs. His soul is "rescued" by 7013, an officious angel (Edward Everett Horton), who assumed that Joe could not have survived. Joe's manager, Max Corkle (James Gleason in a bravura performance), has his body cremated. In the afterlife, the records show his death was a mistake; he was supposed to have fifty more years. The angel's superior, Mr. Jordan (Claude Rains), confirms this, b ut since there is no more body, Joe will have to take over a newly dead corpse. Mr. Jordan explains that a body is just something that is worn, like an overcoat; inside, Joe will still be himself."More at the link. And while we're at it.
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Post by iameye on Mar 6, 2011 18:43:21 GMT -5
More boxing. Read the entire thread for context, but the point is that here's ANOTHER boxing reference that ties in with our enigma. "Boxer and amateur pilot Joe Pendleton (Robert Montgomery) flies his small plane to his next fight in New York City, but crashes when a control cable severs. His soul is "rescued" by 7013, an officious angel (Edward Everett Horton), who assumed that Joe could not have survived. Joe's manager, Max Corkle (James Gleason in a bravura performance), has his body cremated. In the afterlife, the records show his death was a mistake; he was supposed to have fifty more years. The angel's superior, Mr. Jordan (Claude Rains), confirms this, b ut since there is no more body, Joe will have to take over a newly dead corpse. Mr. Jordan explains that a body is just something that is worn, like an overcoat; inside, Joe will still be himself."More at the link. And while we're at it. THIS IS AIR JORDAN> hello? is this Mega MACCA Phone working? killer diller when she's dressed to the hilt
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