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Post by ipuffin on Apr 2, 2011 10:29:22 GMT -5
I've been kind of waiting for it to surface somewhere but now I'm tired, irritated, and want to get it off my mind so I can focus on my own music: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serjeant_Musgrave%27s_DanceThe story just seems to co-relate with the Beatles' so much, that it's uncanny - not just with PID/PWR narratives, but also with the shady parts of the Beatles "canonized" history - for example, the whole Pete/Mona Best thing. The fact that there was ALREADY a "ghost" between them (the much-loved Sutcliffe). There are other, closer parallels, for example the Bargee character, and his relationship with the troops, reminds me very much of Beatles/Dylan. He even plays harmonica, for god's sake! But all that shrivels next the fact that IN THEIR GREAT SHOW they INTRODUCE BILLY WHO IS ACTUALLY DEAD. it almost puts credit to that dodgy "Vaseline-Skull" clue. also, as a bonus, we got the possible inspiration for the whole Ephgrave Thingy. Now, to clarify: I don't know what it actually MEANS, I don't know if it means Paul died. I think it could be something he saw on TV while on Acid and it went to the back of his mind. Maybe we are all missing the point and it all has more to do with the involvements of the "powers that be" in the Beatles lives and music by that point. And Speaking of powers that be: You probably noticed that the title is spelled here with a "J". I've found this in one forum:
Concerning our spelling of Sergeant: "Serjeant" spelt with a "J" is peculiar
to the British and New Zealand armies and is used in connection with those
services only. The British army did not change its spelling to "Sergeant"
with a "G" until November 1953. So, "20 years ago today" would be 1947. Why is it spelled with a G? Because I think that the album was also their reaction to a hit album at the time, one that some (wiki?) sources credit as being one of the first "concept albums". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ballad_of_the_Green_Berets.jpg (I'm 98% sure you can even see this album in a record store interview with some teenagers, in one of the post-Jesus-remark footage from the US). TO CONCLUDE I never SAW the play but I've read it, as well as some other works by this guy, and it is a very recommended reading beside being a possible clue. I haven't dug up any connection between Arden and the Beatles, but There are people here that are much better than me at this. If I'm right, I know you guys will find the links/pics. over and out |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 2, 2011 10:56:45 GMT -5
BTW  Guy in the middle is Darth Vader! Attachments:
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Post by B on Apr 2, 2011 13:29:10 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. Interesting read, at the very least.  I may have more to say later; I'm rather busy at the moment. |
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Post by iameye on Apr 2, 2011 16:29:41 GMT -5
.. And Speaking of powers that be: You probably noticed that the title is spelled here with a "J". I've found this in one forum:
Concerning our spelling of Sergeant: "Serjeant" spelt with a "J" is peculiar
to the British and New Zealand armies and is used in connection with those
services only. The British army did not change its spelling to "Sergeant"
with a "G" until November 1953. So, "20 years ago today" would be 1947. Why is it spelled with a G? Because I think that the album was also their reaction to a hit album at the time, one that some (wiki?) sources credit as being one of the first "concept albums". lol You can spell it either with a G or a J. Yes. Original concept album? could be  |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 3, 2011 5:04:05 GMT -5
Also, If I may digress a bit from our hunt (which is done here a lot ANYWAY) I want to say something, which I may have hinted at in my post:
I know "It's none of my bloody business"
But I still think that the Mona/Pete Best is the shadiest, dirtiest part about the Beatles History. I mean, forget Crowley. This is some fucked up shit. If it would happen to one of your friends, you would fucking RAGE.
And yet, the issue was never addressed in none of the lyrics or imagery.
It is MISSING from the narrative.
Taken at face value, I am forced to deduct that the Beatles and their associates were all basically jerks I would want absolutely nothing to do with, certainly not before they were introduced to pot by Dylan. Interviews with Lennon seem to confirm this.
But in 1967, the WHOLE bunch of them had already taken LSD, their "cosmic consciousness" was open.
What about conscious? Could they all really still not care?
I find it hard to believe
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 3, 2011 8:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by B on Apr 3, 2011 13:32:26 GMT -5
ipuffin wrote:
"If I may digress a bit from our hunt (which is done here a lot ANYWAY)"
Who? Us?! ;D
You'll have to bear with us -
I know that it's going to take me a while to familiarize myself with all of this.
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 8, 2011 16:37:11 GMT -5
Just noticed it's not really the full text online...  will try and find a link...if not, some scans. I see an old TV version with Patrick McGoohan (later of "The prisoner" which he did with Lew Grade, the man who took over Northern Songs) somewhere but can't find a free one. R2, WE NEED YOU!  |
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Post by B on Apr 8, 2011 18:44:42 GMT -5
I'm so busy with mundane demands and issues at the moment,
I really won't have time to devote to this 'til after the 18th, so
a. I apologize
b. relax, there's plenty of time to find the text, as far as I am concerned.
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 8, 2011 19:52:25 GMT -5
no need to apologize,
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can rather it's MY apology for not checking it thoroughly before posting!  and time....sure, 2012 is at the door anyway so why bother? We've waited more than that for an interview.... ;D |
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Post by B on Apr 9, 2011 11:19:48 GMT -5
" We've waited more than that for an interview.... ;D"  |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 9, 2011 12:33:11 GMT -5
...right. in the meantime, anyone wishing to make this a Patrick McGoohan thread  is welcome |
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Post by iameye on Apr 9, 2011 15:10:17 GMT -5
...right. in the meantime, anyone wishing to make this a Patrick McGoohan thread is welcome Go fer it. Just remember the Ser Jeant always went by the BOOK. lOl |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 10, 2011 16:25:02 GMT -5
regarding my Barry Sadler side-point in the original post: found the video. at about 4:18 you can see this   |
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 13, 2011 13:12:47 GMT -5
.. And Speaking of powers that be: You probably noticed that the title is spelled here with a "J". I've found this in one forum:
Concerning our spelling of Sergeant: "Serjeant" spelt with a "J" is peculiar
to the British and New Zealand armies and is used in connection with those
services only. The British army did not change its spelling to "Sergeant"
with a "G" until November 1953. So, "20 years ago today" would be 1947. Why is it spelled with a G? Because I think that the album was also their reaction to a hit album at the time, one that some (wiki?) sources credit as being one of the first "concept albums". lol You can spell it either with a G or a J. Yes. Original concept album? could be   ;D -j |
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 15, 2011 12:27:12 GMT -5
it almost puts credit to that dodgy "Vaseline-Skull" clue. Zappa seems to have known about the skull on Pepper, and he was aware enough of the word and picture play to create some of his own; look at his feet: Beethoven and boot-hoofin'.  -j |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 15, 2011 16:23:04 GMT -5
it almost puts credit to that dodgy "Vaseline-Skull" clue. Zappa seems to have known about the skull on Pepper, and he was aware enough of the word and picture play to create some of his own; look at his feet: Beethoven and boot-hoofin'. -j Has anyone ever SEEN this skull, or even heard about it before this Russian video?  Anyway, I have to give kudos to whoever invented it, because it has that je-ne-sais-quoi of the Drum+Mirror clue, something old-timely and solid. Telling, surprising and strange at the same time. However, as of now, I tend to suspect the only use of Vaseline in this story is, well... different |
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 15, 2011 22:13:22 GMT -5
However, as of now, I tend to suspect the only use of Vaseline in this story is, well... different"Same" AND different, most likely...Vaseline rubbed on PEppers bony Brainy head is obvious enough to hold water; maybe it should have been called Colonel Poppers Popcorn Band. The funny thing about Colonel Pooper's Popcorn is that when you switch 'popcorn' around you get photographs of a dirty rooster messing with young chicks (but these chicks aren't little birds). -j |
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Post by iameye on Apr 16, 2011 7:54:48 GMT -5
However, as of now, I tend to suspect the only use of Vaseline in this story is, well... different"Same" AND different, most likely...Vaseline rubbed on PEppers bony Brainy head is obvious enough to hold water; maybe it should have been called Colonel Poppers Popcorn Band. -j   lol   |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 20, 2011 16:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 20, 2011 18:53:12 GMT -5
A rat-tat-tat on the drum heard, off. There, you see, they're coming.  SPARKY enters magnificently, beating the drum |
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Post by iameye on Apr 20, 2011 20:30:09 GMT -5
A rat-tat-tat on the drum heard, off. There, you see, they're coming. SPARKY enters magnificently, beating the drum It's got a back beat you can't lose it shh Listen to the sound of old T REX  rex
1610s, from L. rex (gen. regis) "a king," related to regere "to keep straight, guide, lead, rule," from PIE base *reg- "to rule, to lead straight, to put right" (cf. Skt. raj- "king;" O.Ir. ri, gen. rig "king;" see regal).The Who - You Better You Bet  I know what I'm giving! I got it all down to a T ......and it's FREE  |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 20, 2011 21:40:35 GMT -5
...right. in the meantime, anyone wishing to make this a Patrick McGoohan thread is welcome Go fer it. Just remember the Ser Jeant always went by the BOOK. lOl PARSON (severely). I think I ought to make one thing clear, serjeant. I know that it is customary for recruiting-parties to impress themselves upon the young men of the district as dashingly as possible, and no doubt upon the young women also. Now I am not having any of that. There's enough trouble in the place as it is. So remember. MUSGRAVE. Yes, sir. I'll remember. PARSON. I want no drunkenness, and no fornication, from your soldiers. Need I speak plainer? MUSGRAVE. No, sir. There will be none. I am a religious man. PARSON. Very well. Good day to you. MUSGRAVE. Good day, sir. The PARSON goes. MUSGRAVE sits down, takes out a small pocket bible and reads. "
The Beatles
It's a good name, isn't it?
One slice reference
One slice pun...
Maybe even more than one?
When you say it, the T is kind of soft, isn't it?
P.S. Oh, look - It's Holy Thursday! |
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Post by ipuffin on Apr 20, 2011 22:02:26 GMT -5
Also, If I may digress a bit from our hunt (which is done here a lot ANYWAY) I want to say something, which I may have hinted at in my post: I know "It's none of my bloody business" But I still think that the Mona/Pete Best is the shadiest, dirtiest part about the Beatles History. I mean, forget Crowley. This is some fucked up shit. If it would happen to one of your friends, you would fucking RAGE. And yet, the issue was never addressed in none of the lyrics or imagery. It is MISSING from the narrative. Taken at face value, I am forced to deduct that the Beatles and their associates were all basically jerks I would want absolutely nothing to do with, certainly not before they were introduced to pot by Dylan. Interviews with Lennon seem to confirm this. But in 1967, the WHOLE bunch of them had already taken LSD, their "cosmic consciousness" was open. What about conscious? Could they all really still not care? I find it hard to believe
In 1967, when The Beatles had to pose for the photograph for the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band cover, Lennon asked Mona if he could borrow the war medals her father had been given in India to wear for the photo session. Although still upset at the way her son was dismissed from The Beatles, Mona agreed, and the medals were then returned, along with a Cash Box trophy that is in the letter 'L' of THE BEATLES flower-sign on the cover. " MRS. HITCHCOCK (sourly). H'm, another on 'em . . . Hey, Annie! Slice o' bread and a piece o' cheese in here for this one! Pickles?
MUSGRAVE. Eh?
MRS. HITCHCOCK (annoyed). Pickles!
MUSGRAVE. No . . . (He looks up suddenly.) Tell me, ma'am, is there many from this town lately have gone for a soldier?
MRS. HITCHCOCK Some. It's not a common pleasure here -not as long as the coal wor right to sell, any road. But there was some. You'll know the sort o' reasons, I daresay?
The yellow-haired boy lay in my bed
A-kissing me up from me toes to me head.
But when my apron it did grow too short
He thought it good time to leave his sport."  |
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Post by B on Apr 21, 2011 8:23:58 GMT -5
Never thought I'd say this, but ipuffin's posts are even more inscrutable than iameye's!
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