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Jul 9, 2005 22:31:02 GMT -5
Post by Maracuja on Jul 9, 2005 22:31:02 GMT -5
I just watched a movie Secondsin which stars Rock Hudson. The movie was made in 1966! He assumed someone else identity and everything went wrong. I, being a woman, love chick flicks where everything turns out all right and was hoping there would be a nice end to this movie. But no, it was quite unpleasant and enormously sad. I could not help it but think of Bill. Heavens, I think. Did he have to go through this? Perhaps not. Who knows? Did you see Live 8? He looked gloriously in charge. Much unlike the guy in Seconds. If you have not seen this movie, I recommend you do.
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Jul 13, 2005 3:32:53 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Jul 13, 2005 3:32:53 GMT -5
Everyone should watch Seconds. it was made by John Frankenheimer in 1966 and released in October 1966 just after Paul McCartney / Brian Epstein's disappearance and during their doubles replacement time frame.
Some significant points:
1) A middle aged man is given radical plastic surgery to look decades younger, and a new voice (vocal cords cut and reattached), and a completely new identity, job, diplomas, Califonia beach house, all this courtesy of "The Company" --inside slang for the CIA.
2) The man is given the name "Wilson," as in The Beach Boys, is played by Rock Hudson (Doris Day imposter co-star) who appeared as himself in Lennon / Ono's 1971 film Imagine. He is first seen as right handed, then after his identity replacement, left handed (like Paul McCartney). In the midst of his struggle adjusting to his new face and persona, Wilson meets a rather Doris Day-resembling (or also doubling as a Sylvie Vartan?) woman, they start a relationship and he later learns she too works for "The Company."
3) Rock Hudson's real life co-star, friend (?) Foris replaced Doris Day whose son Terry Melcher was a leading producer /songwriter for The Beach Boys, then became a producer at Apple after McCartney was replaced with CIA/MI6 Bill Sheppard imposter(s). Melcher then assisted Charles Manson in the Beach Boys/ "Doris Day"/ Beatles connected "Helter Skelter" mass murders that greatly boosted Nixon, the Republicans, and the pro-Vietnam War right wing anti-"hippie/radicals" segment of the United States establishment.
The common thread: Frankenheimer was dropping insider clues everywhere as to what was going on in "the company" controlled media with spy-like identity fakes, surgery, disguises and so on. One goal of the Melcher cadre was the false flag "hippie" murders of the Manson "family way" to create a social backlash against "liberals" and the anti-war movement.
BEATLiES
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Jul 13, 2005 17:30:14 GMT -5
Post by Maracuja on Jul 13, 2005 17:30:14 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the information. How incredible! Of course, in the back of my mind I felt something was fishy about Charles Manson and the connection to the Beatles song. I never could quite put it together in my mind the way you beautifully put it in your post. My reaction to the movie was purely emotional. How could anyone do that to a person? I thought. But after reading your post, I find it quite credible to do that to a person if the motivation (big motivation this one) is there.
Maracuja
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Jul 29, 2005 0:04:17 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Jul 29, 2005 0:04:17 GMT -5
Thank you Maracuja.
To quote the Will Geer character resembling Allen Dulles / Boris Karloff in Seconds, they are still "plugging away at the dream" as you may see below, more fun fun fun with immoral plastic surgery ---
US on verge of making the world's first face transplant
VICTORIA WARD
A MEDICAL team in the United States is planning to undertake the world's first face transplant.
Dr Maria Siemionow, director of plastic surgery research at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, is searching for a suitable patient.
Her team will then carry out the controversial procedure using a face removed from a deceased donor.
It would include the epidermis, underlying fat, nerves and blood vessels, but no muscle, according to hospital spokeswoman Eileen Sheil.
Experts would remove damaged tissue and then reattach blood vessels and nerves to the new face.
The operation would last at least 15 hours and involve transplant surgeons, micro surgeons and plastic surgeons.
"We have not identified a candidate yet, but we are screening at the moment," Ms Sheil said.
"There are several criteria. For example, it cannot be a cancer patient or someone who has had the majority of their body burnt.
"After that, we will work with donor organisations to identify suitable facial tissue."
Dr Siemionow said the procedure could alter the life of severe burns victims and believes those who were facially disfigured should be allowed to weigh up the risks themselves.
"When you mention a face transplant, people think you are talking about vanity, that someone healthy is going to be walking around with someone else's face," she said.
"But within the surgical community, we perceive it as a step forward for these traumatised patients."
Dr Siemionow shrugged off comparisons to the 1997 film Face/Off, starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage as characters faces are switched.
"It was okay if you like Travolta," she said. "But it was just science fiction."
The Cleveland Clinic became the first institution to approve such facial transplants last year.
British and American scientists had been involved in a race to become the first to transplant a face from a corpse on to a living patient.
But two years ago, hopes that Britain could lead the way in face transplants for disfigured patients faded after leading surgeons said it would be "unwise" to go ahead with such surgery.
The Royal College of Surgeons of England published a report highlighting the technical, psychological, ethical and legal concerns surrounding the controversial operation.
It concluded that more research was needed into the impact of face transplants before the operation should be carried out on humans.
THE FACTS
TRANSPLANT surgeons say the operation would allow the patient's face to move instead of being like an insensitive mask - often the case after skin grafts.
The new face would probably resemble a cross between the donor and recipient, depending on the amount of facial muscles used.
A person's facial identity is mostly determined by the underlying skull.
Currently, doctors try to reconstruct faces by transplanting tissue from other sites on the body in multiple operations - sometimes 120 or more separate surgeries - and by implanting prosthetic devices. A face transplant would permit surgeons to mould an actual face and underlying tissue, which proponents say is closer to what nature intended.
They want patients to regain the ability to eat, drink and communicate with others through the vast array of facial expressions that few people think about unless they are lost.
Critics note that face transplants won't save or prolong lives but will require recipients to take powerful and perhaps dangerous drugs for the rest of their lives. Such drugs normally are given to organ transplant recipients whose only other option is death.
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Oct 25, 2006 13:30:16 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Oct 25, 2006 13:30:16 GMT -5
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Oct 25, 2006 18:15:51 GMT -5
Post by il ras on Oct 25, 2006 18:15:51 GMT -5
This Frankenheimer scares me... He's the director of the 1st "Manchurian candidate", made before JFK murder. And, if I'm not wrong, he was with RFK when he was killed.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 8, 2007 9:43:51 GMT -5
This Frankenheimer scares me... He's the director of the 1st "Manchurian candidate", made before JFK murder. And, if I'm not wrong, he was with RFK when he was killed. Fia-Rosemary's Baby-CIA-Roman Polanski and his wife US military intelligence-daughter Sharon Tate had dinner with RFK the night before they killed him. RFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, as you probably know, as did JFK, and the CIA assassinated her also. The trailer of SECONDS: www.youtube.com/watch?v=She_80UJuXc"SECONDS MIGHT BE ALL AROUND YOU"
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Jan 8, 2007 13:51:23 GMT -5
Post by jerriwillmore on Jan 8, 2007 13:51:23 GMT -5
I in fact love that movie and am planning on writing a story in which it is about a woman, loosely inspired by it. (still working on my PID fic.) if I finish it I will let you know. I am sure the film had nothing to do w/PID, it was based on a novel. Wasn't there already a face transplant in France?
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Jan 8, 2007 14:35:31 GMT -5
Post by guitargaz on Jan 8, 2007 14:35:31 GMT -5
McCartney was replaced with CIA/MI6 Bill Sheppard imposter(s)
Sorry to be pedantic but the original story was always Bill Campbell - Bill Sheppard (sic) or Shepherd was never part of the story - it is something that has appeared to be synthesised on this website. My father was never anything to do with this, or the CIA or MI6. The connection has been erroneously made due to the fact that he was behind the Merseybeat ripoff project Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots. Some may think this is the missing piece of the jigsaw and is sign of a conspiracy. It isn't in the case of Bill Shepherd.
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Jan 8, 2007 14:56:05 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Jan 8, 2007 14:56:05 GMT -5
McCartney was replaced with CIA/MI6 Bill Sheppard imposter(s) Sorry to be pedantic but the original story was always Bill Campbell - Bill Sheppard (sic) or Shepherd was never part of the story - it is something that has appeared to be synthesised on this website. My father was never anything to do with this, or the CIA or MI6. The connection has been erroneously made due to the fact that he was behind the Merseybeat ripoff project Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots. Some may think this is the missing piece of the jigsaw and is sign of a conspiracy. It isn't in the case of Bill Shepherd. Okay, but there were other Bill Shepherds/Sheppards (no sic) .
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Jan 8, 2007 19:24:17 GMT -5
Post by guitargaz on Jan 8, 2007 19:24:17 GMT -5
Okay, but there were other Bill Shepherds/Sheppards (no sic) .
But no connection with the PID theory surely? I had never heard of their connection before someone put together the idea that the Pepperpots Bill was connected with PID and that this was Bill Shepherd. However if you can point me to the other Sheppard connection - I only ever knew of the Bill Campbell connection when I heard it directly from Brian Chalmers (Paul's cousin).
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Jan 8, 2007 23:35:31 GMT -5
Post by mysteryboy on Jan 8, 2007 23:35:31 GMT -5
Everyone should watch Seconds. it was made by John Frankenheimer in 1966 and released in October 1966 just after Paul McCartney / Brian Epstein's disappearance and during their doubles replacement time frame. Some significant points: 1) A middle aged man is given radical plastic surgery to look decades younger, and a new voice (vocal cords cut and reattached), and a completely new identity, job, diplomas, Califonia beach house, all this courtesy of "The Company" --inside slang for the CIA. 2) The man is given the name "Wilson," as in The Beach Boys, is played by Rock Hudson (Doris Day imposter co-star) who appeared as himself in Lennon / Ono's 1971 film Imagine. He is first seen as right handed, then after his identity replacement, left handed (like Paul McCartney). In the midst of his struggle adjusting to his new face and persona, Wilson meets a rather Doris Day-resembling (or also doubling as a Sylvie Vartan?) woman, they start a relationship and he later learns she too works for "The Company." 3) Rock Hudson's real life co-star, friend (?) Foris replaced Doris Day whose son Terry Melcher was a leading producer /songwriter for The Beach Boys, then became a producer at Apple after McCartney was replaced with CIA/MI6 Bill Sheppard imposter(s). Melcher then assisted Charles Manson in the Beach Boys/ "Doris Day"/ Beatles connected "Helter Skelter" mass murders that greatly boosted Nixon, the Republicans, and the pro-Vietnam War right wing anti-"hippie/radicals" segment of the United States establishment. The common thread: Frankenheimer was dropping insider clues everywhere as to what was going on in "the company" controlled media with spy-like identity fakes, surgery, disguises and so on. One goal of the Melcher cadre was the false flag "hippie" murders of the Manson "family way" to create a social backlash against "liberals" and the anti-war movement. BEATLiES Thanks for the excellent post, Beatles. I also always found the Manson story suspicious. Not only did it make the Hippies look bad, by association it made the Beatles look bad too. This director has an interesting Bio. As noted above, he directed the original "Manchurian Candidate" with Sinatra, and "Seven Days in May", a movie about a military coup. it was released in 1964 and was about a military coup that had RW backing because the President was going to sign a nuclear weapons elimination treaty with the former USSR. A film about a US military coup coming out so soon after the assassination of President Kennedy was upsetting to many. The plot involved kidnapping the President if he wouldn't resign and Burt Lancaster's RW Chairman of the JCS General James Matoon Scott character taking over the nation with the backing of other RW US military leaders and their defense contractor backers, relying heavily on a special unit (called Emergency Communications Control/ECOMCON in the film) to seize control of tv, radio and the press feeds.
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Feb 26, 2007 4:17:56 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Feb 26, 2007 4:17:56 GMT -5
www.democraticunderground.comJoanne98 (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-25-07 05:51 PM Original message Surveillance Cameras Get Smarter COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- The next time you walk by a shop window, take a glance at your reflection. How much do you swing your arms? Is the weight of your bag causing you to hunch over? Do you still have a bit of that 1970s disco strut left? Look around -- You might not be the only one watching. The never-blinking surveillance cameras, rapidly becoming a part of daily life in public and even private places, may be sizing you up as well. And they may soon get a lot smarter. Researchers and security companies are developing cameras that not only watch the world but also interpret what they see. Soon, some cameras may be able to find unattended bags at airports, guess your height or analyze the way you walk to see if you are hiding something. Most of the cameras widely used today are used as forensic tools to identify crooks after-the-fact. (Think grainy video on local TV news of convenience store robberies gone wrong.) But the latest breed, known as "intelligent video," could transform cameras from passive observers to eyes with brains, able to detect suspicious behavior and potentially prevent crime before it occurs. www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-sma... Refresh | 1 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top Replies to this thread Gee... nebenaube Feb-25-07 05:54 PM #1 too bad they can't do anything about global warming pretzel4gore Feb-25-07 06:16 PM #2 Machines, just like our children... GoddessOfGuinness Feb-25-07 06:21 PM #3 I'm against this whole catch the criminal before they commit the crime, crap superconnected Feb-25-07 08:54 PM #4 nebenaube (463 posts) Sun Feb-25-07 05:54 PM Response to Original message 1. Gee... The dutch had systems that could automatically identify altercations and alert the monitoring tech up and running in 2002. pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-25-07 06:16 PM Response to Original message 2. too bad they can't do anything about global warming climate change, or the forces that reckon 200 billion metric tonnes carbon in earth's thin atmosphere perfectly ok and 6 billion more carbon added each year just gods strange and terrible will.... too bad they can't do anything about the fact the liar/cheat/sinner/hypocrite/thief has such an huge advantage in life... GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-25-07 06:21 PM Response to Original message 3. Machines, just like our children... Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 06:22 PM by GoddessOfGuinness are being taught what to think as opposed to being taught how to think. superconnected (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-25-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message 4. I'm against this whole catch the criminal before they commit the crime, crap Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 08:57 PM by superconnected What if the person wasn't going to do it, but they tackle and arrest the person anyway, for the way he walked. And then of course try him for intent. Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
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Mar 12, 2007 2:18:23 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Mar 12, 2007 2:18:23 GMT -5
ROCK HUDSON, the star of Seconds, is seen here at the beginning of this 1984 music video for "Nobody Told Me," whispering into the ear of WWII fascist-war criminal-mega-banking corporation Yasuda heiress billionaire Yoko Ono. This clip of Rock Hudson and Dick Cavett whispering with John and Yoko is taken from its original presentation in the 1971 John and Yoko film "Imagine." www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4vZUHQbZQ
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Apr 20, 2007 4:08:23 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Apr 20, 2007 4:08:23 GMT -5
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Apr 20, 2007 12:45:01 GMT -5
Post by tkp1966 on Apr 20, 2007 12:45:01 GMT -5
ROCK HUDSON, the star of Seconds, is seen here at the beginning of this 1984 music video for "Nobody Told Me," whispering into the ear of WWII fascist-war criminal-mega-banking corporation Yasuda heiress billionaire Yoko Ono. This clip of Rock Hudson and Dick Cavett whispering with John and Yoko is taken from its original presentation in the 1971 John and Yoko film "Imagine." www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4vZUHQbZQThat is not Rock Hudson, that's Jack Palance
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Apr 20, 2007 18:49:35 GMT -5
Post by Red Lion on Apr 20, 2007 18:49:35 GMT -5
Here comes the Rock Hudson was replaced thread.
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May 20, 2007 5:30:32 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on May 20, 2007 5:30:32 GMT -5
MK ULTRA documentary on youtube, with scenes from Frankenheimer's pre-JFK assassination film The Manchurian Candidate (1962), starring Fauxnk Finatra (who had close ties to JFK in real life, along with pal Peter Lawford and Marilyn Monroe): www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwSC8qE7xEIn Seconds, made in 1966, Frankheimer uses the character name "Ruby" for a bureaucratic "Company" (=CIA) manager of the man who wants to become a Finatra/Faul-like "re-born" person with a plastic surgery new, fake identity.
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