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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 26, 2007 21:08:27 GMT -5
I guess it was about two years ago when I discovered that I had the green black-light mono Pepper that the astronaut had inquired about on the George Martin forum.
But before I found that (thanks to Jojo for mentioning the astronaut posting) I noticed that Paul/Faul had two different colored eyes on the cover. (JoJo, if you still have that image, please post it).
Well, I have since found another glowing mono that has a different pattern than the first. But perhaps more relevant to this board, is that I have noticed that the eyes of Faul are different in two of my Sgt. Pepper covers. The mass produced stereo copy, the eye color are the same (brown), however, when the image is blown up there is a visible "X" under Paul's right eye. This, to me, as a professional photographer whose primary work experience lies in shooting and editing photos for publications, tells that there was some definite old-school darkroom editing going on. The fact that the "X" was left there could be another, or overlooked in haste to cover-up the blue eye clue.
EDITED for clarification on the right/left eye perspective. (Thank you, TI).
Cheers
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Post by JoJo on Jan 26, 2007 21:40:32 GMT -5
Not a problem MB:  Close up:  Oh yeah, this is from one of my Peppers.. which one.. I'll have to check.  |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 26, 2007 23:16:30 GMT -5
Hmm. that makes 4, JoJo.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 26, 2007 23:44:38 GMT -5
This is one of the faces where it is clear that the left eye was touched up. On the second image, notice the "X" marking just below the eye and the disfigured eyelid. Notice also that the Iris is jet black, with no hint of brown , as opposed to the other eye, which has a distinct black pupil and brown iris. Our theory is that the Beatles initially made the first pressings all contain a blue eye on Paul.Faul and the Powers That Be immediately pulled them and made a quick and sloppy adjustment, or, cover-up on the blue eye. Album jacket is clean, except for the area beneath Faul's once blue eye.  Now, watch what happens when you enlarge the image:  You can clearly see the disfigured, botched up (our) left eyelid and you can now clearly see the penciled-in "X" below the eye and a bit towards his nose; as though the lab tech was marking the space to work on. In the version everyone's used to seeing, the eyes appear a normal dark brown and of the same color, without any signs of covering up a blue eye. It is as if all the pressings which included a blue eye, had either been bought by fans or bought up by "the powers that be" in order to hastily cover-up the blue eye (clue). After all these original pressings had been bought/recalled, "they" had more time to cover-up the blue eye in a more professional manner. I'll post clearer, daylight pics tomorrow if there is any interest. |
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Post by Doc on Jan 27, 2007 0:15:44 GMT -5
Also, Paul's left eye on the Rubber Soul cover shows the same oddity on many copies--it looks like a large black iris, no color, no pupil.
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Post by Doc on Jan 27, 2007 0:39:38 GMT -5
Not a problem MB: Not just that, but look at the wax dummy of James Paul and compare between these two:  Good heavens. It took over three years, but we've finally done what no one thought could be done. We've found the missing half of Paul McCartney's dummy's head:  I'm thinking Jigsaw Puzzle, how 'bout 'chu? Maybe somebody else can find the other side of the dummy head. Last one to look is a rotten egg! ;D    |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 27, 2007 0:58:35 GMT -5
That the blue eye is not the result of cover wear was established a long time ago.
And the "X" certainly isn't, either.
That white mark you see running through the wax face is what happens when an LP cover is scratched or worn. The ink is completely removed and what you get is white. What you don't get is a different colored eye, or an "x" etched in a reddish tint underneath the same eye on a different LP jacket.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 27, 2007 10:35:53 GMT -5
My Pepper album seems to have the blue-eyed Faul.
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Post by Blll on Jan 27, 2007 12:04:53 GMT -5
I guess it was about two years ago when I discovered that I had the green black-light mono Pepper that the astronaut had inquired about on the George Martin forum. But before I found that (thanks to Jojo for mentioning the astronaut posting) I noticed that Paul/Faul had two different colored eyes on the cover. (JoJo, if you still have that image, please post it). Well, I have since found another glowing mono that has a different pattern than the first. But perhaps more relevant to this board, is that I have noticed that the eyes of Faul are different in three of my Sgt. Pepper covers. The mass produced stereo copy has his eyes looking slightly downward and just past what would be your left shoulder, while the Beatles are all looking right at you.* This is the case on all of them. But on the different colored eye cover, Faul is looking directly at you. On the other stereo, one eye looks different, again, it's the right eye. On this one, the left eye looks like it was manipulated. The left eye is looking at you, and the right eye is looking slightly downward and toward your left. There is a white marking just under the left eye. The rest of the cover is pristine. It seems like a lot of attention was put into his eyes on this particular album. It doesn't really mean that much to me, but it's there. I will try to post them soon. Cheers WAU FA f.... amazing This is just what we need do we have some clearer photos i HQ? all 3 covers ? Can anyone post it please? |
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Post by Blll on Jan 27, 2007 12:08:41 GMT -5
This is one of the faces where it is clear that the left eye was touched up. On the second image, notice the "X" marking just below the eye and the disfigured eyelid. Notice also that the Iris is jet black, with no hint of brown , as opposed to the other eye, which has a distinct black pupil and brown iris. Our theory is that the Beatles initially made the first pressings all contain a blue eye on Paul.Faul and the Powers That Be immediately pulled them and made a quick and sloppy adjustment, or, cover-up on the blue eye. Album jacket is clean, except for the area beneath Faul's once blue eye. Now, watch what happens when you enlarge the image: You can clearly see the disfigured, botched up (our) left eyelid and you can now clearly see the penciled-in "X" below the eye and a bit towards his nose; as though the lab tech was marking the space to work on. In the version everyone's used to seeing, the eyes appear a normal dark brown and of the same color, without any signs of covering up a blue eye. It is as if all the pressings which included a blue eye, had either been bought by fans or bought up by "the powers that be" in order to hastily cover-up the blue eye (clue). After all these original pressings had been bought/recalled, "they" had more time to cover-up the blue eye in a more professional manner. I'll post clearer, daylight pics tomorrow if there is any interest. fantastic,please do! |
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Post by JoJo on Jan 27, 2007 13:04:58 GMT -5
Yes Mysteryboy, by all means! Now, this one: Is from a very early stereo release I have, perhaps first pressing because it has the "A Little Help From My Friends" listed as track 2 on side one. (later versions, like the green label Capitol I have, add "With") Btw, this one doesn't glow under a black light.. This one:  Is from one of two monos I have, not a glower, but of course still early in the process, as monos weren't made very long. |
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 27, 2007 20:12:00 GMT -5
As many of you will know I love the "Pepper" stuff. I think i'm going to have to buy up as many copies as possible, get a blacklight and see what results I find!
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Post by Doc on Jan 28, 2007 4:48:31 GMT -5
....I think i'm going to have to buy up as many copies as possible Aha so it's you. |
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 28, 2007 19:13:35 GMT -5
I dunno doc, I can't actually afford to do that really!
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 28, 2007 19:20:54 GMT -5
My Pepper album has this picture, but the color around the left eye (our view) is somewhat like Robin's egg blue, but darker. UPDATE: This is the picture JoJo posted; not my album. Sorry if I confused anyone. |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 28, 2007 21:25:44 GMT -5
Thanks 4k! Is there any way that you can blow that up? It appears to me that the "X" is present in your photo too, as well as one of JoJo's. o me, that marking is the most interesting development here as it goes to the subject of intent. I don't know if Paul is Faul or replaced or whatever, I am most interested in anything that shows clear intent to people having placed PID clues in many places. What's nice about the LP's is that they are tangible pieces of evidence, unlike digital photos and music from the web. It's too easy today to play around with the evidence. |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 28, 2007 21:30:39 GMT -5
Yes Mysteryboy, by all means! Now, this one: Is from a very early stereo release I have, perhaps first pressing because it has the "A Little Help From My Friends" listed as track 2 on side one. (later versions, like the green label Capitol I have, add "With") Btw, this one doesn't glow under a black light.. This one: Is from one of two monos I have, not a glower, but of course still early in the process, as monos weren't made very long. JoJo, thanks for posting those. It appears to me that you have a bluish eye on the right side in the first image. Very strange. Also, I can't be certain due to the small size of the second image, but it looks like the "x" mark might be there under the left eye (our left). Perhaps if you blow it up to say, 200 percent you can see it? |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 28, 2007 21:37:35 GMT -5
As many of you will know I love the "Pepper" stuff. I think i'm going to have to buy up as many copies as possible, get a blacklight and see what results I find! I think that they may be more common than we think. Just make sure it's a First Press Mono before buying, and also that it is a Capitol pressing. What strikes me as being odd about the glowers is that no one from the Beatle camp or anyone else has ever mentioned it. What with Pepper being THE album of so many various first time evers. I know if it was something that I had been involved with, i would have felt proud of the artwork and also would have wanted to "turn on" others to it's presence. Makes me thinks it's clue related. |
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Post by JoJo on Jan 28, 2007 21:59:52 GMT -5
I'll try, but when I was messing around with the scanner, and just looking real closely, I didn't see an 'X' like yours. (which is quite clear)
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Post by JoJo on Jan 28, 2007 22:11:28 GMT -5
What strikes me as being odd about the glowers is that no one from the Beatle camp or anyone else has ever mentioned it. What with Pepper being THE album of so many various first time evers. I know if it was something that I had been involved with, i would have felt proud of the artwork and also would have wanted to "turn on" others to it's presence. Makes me thinks it's clue related. Yes, were I ever to have a chance to ask one of them a question, #1 on my list would be what is up with that glow in the dark Pepper? (and please don't insult my intelligence with a "polystyrene" explanation) I'm trying again with the camera, but I found that the camcorder I got myself as a Christmas present is actually quite a bit more sensitive to the UV light. Gotta tweak things a bit, but if it works, it will help others see what we see when we move the light around, etc, kinda cool.  |
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 19, 2007 11:17:59 GMT -5
There is a white marking just under the left eye.
ALthough it's to the viewr's (our) left, you mean the right eye ne c'est pas?
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Post by tkp1966 on Feb 19, 2007 14:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 20, 2007 16:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 21, 2007 12:27:30 GMT -5
I'll take that as a yes. You might want to edit the original post/s to clarify.
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 21, 2007 16:38:02 GMT -5
I just took your advice, TI and edited my first post. I was indeed talking about PAUL'S right eye. Thanks for bringing the possible confusion to my attention. |
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