NY Times 11-02-1969

Yes, the time that he reported hearing this was well before the college DJ or whomever he was became famous for starting the rumor. Also surprising to see the publishing of hearsay of a topic like this in the NY Times, usually you would see something like this in the likes of the National Enquirer.

My theory... rank speculation of course, but.... At the time this "friend of the Beatles" told him this, assuming he did of course, was that at that early date, it wasn't presumed to be a secret that was intended to be kept for all time! The assumption at the time was that it was intended to be a short term thing, that the secret would be out in due course, so there was no need to worry about sharing it with people in "certain circles". Well the change in plan became clear a little later on.

That was pretty scary I thought PID was silly before this. Jay Marks was a good friend of Linda's. I already read in the book "The Walrus Was Paul" that Robey Younge said that Jay Marks told him he overheard Paul was replaced, I thought this deejay was just pulling our leg as Jay was friends with Linda. I still believe he probably isn't dead, but this shifted me a bit. I just wish the name of the Beatle "friend" became known. He may have been just joking, eh? [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

I think Jay's "friend" may have been joking, whether he is alive or not. I don't believe something like that would be discussed that openly. I also find it hard to believe most major rock figures "know" about it too. Interesting, though.

Well it's quite true that we can't see into their heads to see why they gave him what was obviously a cool reception. And I'll agree that when they were sitting together talking in Anthology, George at one point deliberately (or maybe he didn't hear him perhaps) ignored Paul, and you could see Paul was a little pissed. So yeah, the bad feelings (for whatever reason) were still there. It's human nature to side with your friend, and if your friend is not real cool with someone, you tend to cut them (out) as well. However, I'm of the opinion that the real close ones like the Stones, who knew Paul both before and after could not possibly not know, they met him in person! Remember, there was Mick, clapping along to "All You Need Is Love".

Let me take what Jojo said a step further. The Stones not only met the Beatles in person they were in the early years friendly competitors. If my memory is correct, it was the Beatles who lent one of their original songs to the Stones which became one of the Stones' early successes. That type of interaction would, by definition, make them guilty of, if nothing else, complicity to the replacement. I just can't see Mick (who had a very real love/hate relationship with the Beatles and took public snipes at them) or particularly Keith (who spent the last four decades in a drug/alcohol stupor--see "Pirates of the Caribbean" for a GREAT Keith impersonation by Johnny Depp) not letting something slip either intentionally or unintentionally concerning the replacement. Knowing their reputations, I have a feeling they would take the opprotunity to plant replacement clues of their own if for no other reason than plain, old fashion jealousy.

Of course the Stones knew what was goin' on, but jealousy?
If PID were true, then I don't think they'd be jealous of what the Beatles were having to go thru.

I think we would also need to apply the old "media hype" filter on things like this...some writers are quite capable of putting things in people's mouths, or to spin things a bit to make their comments either more caustic, or less caustic, in order to tell the story they wish to tell in their articles. Let's face it, this is a fact we've had to deal with in mass media for several decades, so it wouldn't surprise me a bit if someone decided to spin a statement and take it out of context a bit in order to incite more press coverage...look at the John Lennon statement of 1966 for example. That one comment, made to a friend and taken out of it's original context, generated a landslide of press coverage and interviews...not to mention a lot of hate and disgust to the point of having Beatles Bonfires...jeesh if I could only have 1/100th of all the stuff that was torched over that stupid reporter's spin.

I think there must be some understanding between popular artists who are friends with each other that they don't take quotes about each other which are printed in news articles seriously. I think they have all had some kind of lessons of their own when it comes to dealing with the media. And I think it's quite obvious, especially in the times in which we are living now, that hardly anyone actually 'reports the news' because they are too busy 'making the news' and aspiring for those good ratings and pulitzer prizes and what-not. As far as any of this goes, I have chosen to rest in the knowledge that The Beatles were friends with several other well-known artists and musicians and just leave it at that...the media will have their way with anyone they choose and there isn't a whole lot we, the viewing/reading public, can do about it other than just take what they say with a grain of salt.

We be jammin, mon...dat be what happnin ;D

Yes, I thought that anecdote just seemed to stand out from the rest of the article. It was odd to be included in an essentially anti-PID piece, since it provided some credible evidence to support PID. And it showed the rumor started two years earlier than most people thought. It might have been the impetus for Linda to try and hook up with Paul, once she heard he was going to break up with Jane. Of course that means she knew from the beginning that he was a replacement.

I agree with Wings. Ruby Tuesday seems to me about Paul mainly...and Jane, with a line or two about Faul. I was discussing this a few weeks ago with someone else on this board and she came up with some interpretations and I added some myself:

She would never say where she came from(The mysterious Faul)
Yesterday don't matter if it's gone(Faul's existence replacing Paul doesn't matter because Paul isn't around anymore)
While the sun is bright(?)
Or in the darkest night(?)
No one knows, she comes and goes(?)

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday(Goodbye Paul)
Who could hang a name on you?(Who could replace you and your uniqueness? OR who could identify you when you are mangled and bloody from the car wreck?)
When you change with every new day(The changed Paul in the form of a double, Faul is there with the Beatles everyday but he looks and sounds different)
Still I'm gonna miss you(Mick misses Paul because he was friends with Paul and John)

Don't question why she needs to be so free(This is Jane and her need to be free from playing Faul's girlfriend)
She'll tell you it's the only way to be(Jane's attitude)
She just can't be chained(Jane felt chained to her fake life with Faul)
To a life where nothing's gained(Nothing's gained because she didn't love Faul and didn't receive any benefit from pretending to be his girlfriend)
And nothing's lost, at such a cost(Nothing's lost in the eyes of everyone else who thinks she is with Paul, but the cost is her sanity, her freedom)

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday
Who could hang a name on you?
When you change with every new day
Still I'm gonna miss you(All about Paul)

"There's no time to lose", I heard her say
Catch your dreams before they slip away
Dying all the time
Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind
Ain't life unkind?(Not sure if these lines are about Paul OR Jane and her grief over Paul)

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday
Who could hang a name on you?
When you change with every new day
Still I'm gonna miss you


Anyone care to comment on these interpretations or even interpret the lines I left blank?

Oh and btw, Ruby Tuesday was written and/or released in 1967 which would fit perfectly with the timing of everything.

One could take the "Ruby Tuesday" song as evidence that Paul was still alive but in a disabled or altered condition so that he could not be presented in public or did not want to be.

One of many such "Paul is Hidden" clues (perhaps) in Beatles material / interviews and that of other "insider" groups.

Then there's "WELCOME THE ROLLING STONES" on Sgt. Pepper --written on Shirley Temple doll with ruby shoes.