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« Thread Started on Aug 14, 2008, 4:24pm »

Bettina Krischbin's paternity suit claimed a stand in was sent for a blood test in 1983. Background info at:

Paul McCartney Under Investigation in Berlin
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,483950,00.html

This case has since been dismissed. Some interesting things Bettina Krischbin has said, though.

From Hardinghaus, Barbara, "Papa Paul," Der Spiegel, 25. Juni 2007.

...At the top of the piece of paper, there stood “Proof of Identity,” and it dealt with a form that James Paul McCartney, Pass Number PB033834033839, signed back in the beginning of the 1980’s, when his blood was taken.

On the identification there was a photo attached, a Polaroid of his face.

Bettina Krischbin looked at this face a long time. It is, as stated in the documents, Paul McCartney’s face. She committed that face to memory, went home, and looked at pictures of McCartney in the ’80’s. She found that he looked different at this time than he did on the Polaroid, fuller.

“He sent a Double to the test back then,” she said. Her mother sat next to her, smoked, and nodded silently.

From F.v.Mutius; B. Jänichen, “Ermittlungen gegen McCartney eingestellt; Berlinerin verliert Kampf um angebliche Vaterschaft des Ex-Beatle,” DIE WELT, 25. Mai 2007:

...She [Bettina] had assembled proof and had gotten ‘two important witnesses,’ who belonged to McCartney’s circle of aquaintances. The world famous singer once supposedly told them, that he had cheated on the blood test...

From Patrick Goldstein, “Berliner Staatsanwalt ermittelt gegen Paul McCartney,” DIE WELT, 19. Mai 2007.

[Recently looking in the files, Bettina] saw a photo together with a signature from the day blood was taken in London. Her verdict: “That is not McCartney. The real McCartney had at this time a much fuller face. The man in the photo looks like McCartney. But he isn’t.” Even the signature is supposedly false. This signature does not hold up to a comparison with the original in the Hamburger Beatles-Museum. In addition: “Friends of mine have looked at and said: a right-handed person wrote that.”

Someone didn't get the law right in dismissing Bettina's case. The Germans threw it out b/c the statute of limitations (SOL) for fraud was 5 years. BUT she wasn't suing for fraud, but for support. The fraud should have stopped the SOL on the paternity suit. The SOL on the paternity suit should've started running again once the fraud was discovered - & she moved right away once she discovered it.

paul is dead - the rotten apple 52 2 (about Bettina)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cs5UIDjuo8
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« Reply #1 on Aug 14, 2008, 8:10pm »

Es ist Bettina Heubers nein?
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« Reply #2 on Aug 14, 2008, 8:13pm »

Ja, genau.

Yes, that's her married name, I guess

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« Reply #3 on Aug 14, 2008, 8:57pm »

I've always thought that if "proof of identity" had to be proven in a court of law, the prosecution would have give overwhelming evidence. But not just an old polaroid, a friend's opinion of a single writing sample, and a single strand of hair from EBAY... But give 10X the normal amount evidence, court ordered DNA samples not just from the individual in question but from family members (like Michael), and from Bettina and her mom, plus expert analysis and testimony after expert analysis and testimony. Otherwise, pretty much all the defense has to do give is an "if the glove doesn't fit, you must aquit" type of defense.
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« Reply #4 on Aug 14, 2008, 9:03pm »

I think the "Proof of Identity" that was in the files was of JPM when he was in Hamburg... There was a discrepancy with the proof of identity that Faul sent in the '80's.

Besides, this is a civil case - no prosecutors... No one had to "prove" identity. The fraud is that Faul tried to pass himself off as Paul.

Bettina would have to prove (probably by a preponderance of the evidence) that she was the daughter. Of course, she wouldn't be Faul's daughter.

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« Reply #5 on Aug 14, 2008, 9:44pm »

Jai, I think if people put their mind to it, this could be proven in a court of law. I feel that Paul's children deserve that much. It's terrible that they should go through life feeling abandoned because Faul never stepped up to the plate. >:(
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« Reply #6 on Aug 14, 2008, 11:47pm »

It's terrible that they should go through life feeling abandoned because Faul never stepped up to the plate.




Maybe JPM should have stepped to the plate............after all it was his kid.
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« Reply #7 on Aug 15, 2008, 12:50am »

He did pay to support her. The German articles talk about it.
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« Reply #8 on Aug 15, 2008, 8:23am »

For those of us who believe that Paul did die in 1966, it's sad how poorly Faul handled the situation concerning Paul's kids. He could've have paternity tests done. Before Jim McCartney passed, he could've used his DNA. Afterwards, there was always Michael. He really wasn't in danger of getting screwed over for his money. If the child is legitimately Paul's there should be a valid recompense. 2500 quid just doesn't do it. I think that's how much Brian Epstein paid Bettina Huebers. :-/
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« Reply #9 on Aug 15, 2008, 12:03pm »

"Though he had always denied being the father, on the advice of Brian Epstein, who feared a publicity nightmare, McCartney paid Bettina's mother, Erica Huebers, $ 12,000 in child support in 1966."

- Bruce C. Pilato, "All You Need is Litigation: The Beatles Play To Win," 76 A.B.A.J. 54 (July 1990).

"...In 1966, there was an agreement between McCartney and the Hamburg agency for juveniles (Jugendbehörde), which represented Bettina Krischbin. After that, the mother got 16,000 Marks hush-money and the daughter got 30,000 Marks, which was paid to her in monthly installments until her 18th birthday..."

- Wolfgang Kohrt, “Das Mädchen und der Beatle; Die Geschichte von Bettina Krischbin, die daran glaubt, die Tochter Paul McCartneys zu sein,“ Berliner Zeitung, 24. November 2007.




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« Reply #10 on Aug 15, 2008, 3:03pm »

For those of us who believe that Paul did die in 1966, it's sad how poorly Faul handled the situation concerning Paul's kids.

Whether Paul died or not is immaterial, those were not Bill's kids.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 28, 2008, 4:57pm »

Faulcon asked me to place this material on jojoplace, so here's an html file with a combination of German/English news reports:

http://www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/McCartney_paternity_case.htm
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« Reply #12 on Aug 29, 2008, 9:33am »

JoJo, thank you so much for making those available to people :-)
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