Mare than one double? « Thread Started on Jun 14, 2011, 6:45pm »
Can somebody please explain to me how there's more than one double of Paul. I totally get the first double,Faul. But now i reading that there's another one? Why would they need an extra double?
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #1 on Jun 14, 2011, 8:57pm »
Prepare to be even more amazed. It seems there were up to 9 different Pauls by 1966. I no longer call them replacements or doubles. I just call them multiples. It seems every country had their own set of Beatles, and some had more than one. How else would expect anyone to become the world's first "supergroup"? lol
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #2 on Jun 15, 2011, 5:42pm »
So you think all the Beatles were replaced? If so,how come only Paul is mentioned in the clues in their music and album covers and jackets? Also,why did they need so many "multiples"? Thanks for the help,im VERY interested in this
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #3 on Jun 15, 2011, 8:37pm »
I don't know why Paul is the only one mentioned, perhaps because one of them did get killed. I don't call them replacements anymore, though. I call them "multiples" because they were all there all along.
So many multiples because so much territory to cover in order to be the world's first 'supergroup'. That couldn't have happened with just 4 people in just 1 group. They couldn't have put out so many number one hits in so short a time if they had to be doing all that "touring" as well. There are probably more reasons as well.
During the most recent "Paul is dead" thread, philllll noted that if the clues were merely the result of coincidence, one would expect that there would be about as many death clues for the other three Beatles as there are for Paul. Hoping to prove that just such a situation exists, I checked my CDs and stumbled across evidence of a much bigger conspiracy: all the Beatles except Paul died and were replaced by doubles. More specifically, in 1963 Ringo died and was replaced; George died and was replaced in 1964; John died and was replaced in 1965; and RIngo's replacement died in a car crash in November of 1966 and was re-replaced. Of course, the clues about the '66 car crash of "Ringo2" were what produced the Paul is dead rumors.
The Evidence (Actually, a lot of "general death" clues are the same in both the mistaken "Paul is dead" theory and the newly emergent "All but Paul are dead theory." [ie, the death's head on the Abbey Road back cover] Those won't be discussed due to space considerations. Instead, I shall concentrate on new clues, and providing correct interpretations of some old ones.
1963: On the front cover of With the Beatles, Ringo's face is not in line with those of the other Fabs. Clearly a clue that the "Ringo" on this album is different form the others: obviously, he had died between the first two albums and been replaced.
1964: On the cover of A Hard Day's Night, George is the only Beatles with his back to the camera in any of the photos, and he's the only one with a cigarette ("a coffin nail"). These are the signals that George had died.
On the Long Tall Sally EP, George wears a different style of coat than the other three, again indicating that he's different, having been replaced. (Technically, George and Ringo both should be shown as different, but presumably whoever is in charge of planting the clues [Paul? John? EMI? Spiritual entities?] decided that having George and Ringo in one style of coat and Paul and John in a second style would make it difficult to figure out just which pair of Beatles is supposed to be gone. Therefore, for these two records they concnetrated on announcing the most recent death).
On the Beatles for Sale LP, the Beatles all wear black, and the record includes the song "Baby's in Black." Black of course is a traditional color of mourning--just the state you'd expect Paul and John to be in after the deaths of two of their comrades.
1965: On the cover of the Nowhere Man EP, Ringo is sitting on a stone monument, obviously meant to symbolize his tombstone. (Apparently the 'forces' deciding what clues to drop decided to give Ringo a new clue so he'd be even with George).
On the cover of the Help! album, the Beatles are holding their hands in semaphore positions. However, instead of spelling out "help" as one would rightly expect, they spell out "NUJV." This is an abbreviation for "New unknown John vocalist," indicating that John had died and been replaced. And since the odds of the Beatles just 'coincidentally' picking four letters that match that phrase must be millions to one, this MUST be a planned clue. On this album, the Beatles (what's left of them, that is) stopped indicating a member's death by showing him as different than the others. Indeed, since Paul was now the only non-replacement in the band, *he* was shown as the different one (ie, with his back to the camera on the back cover of Sgt Pepper) to indicate that he was alive. That this would later be interpreted as evidence of Paul's demise must have been a crushing irony to the one remaining original Beatle.
In "I'm Looking through You," (from Rubber Soul), Paul sings "You don't look different, but you have changed"--a reference to the three replacements he had to surround himself with.
1966: On Revolver, John#2 sings the song "I'm Only Sleeping." Sleep is, of course, a metaphor for death (cf Hamlet's "Too sleep, perchance to dream" soliloquy).
Also from Revolver, in "She Said She Said" John#2 sings "I know what it's like to be dead," which the original John did indeed know by now. In "Eleanor Rigby," Paul sings "Father McKenzie/ wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave/No one was saved." 'Father McKenzie' is obviously a metaphorical reference to Paul McCartney (after all, what are the odds that Paul would by mere coincidence come up with a character whose last name begins with 'Mc' just like his own?!), who had far too often walked from the graves of his fellow band members. And indeed none of the other Beatles had been 'saved' from death.
Chris "Who'd have thunk they'd could have pulled this conspiracy off?" Fishel
This is the second half of an article providing the evidence that all the Beatles except Paul died and were replaced by look-alikes.
1967: In "Strawberry Fields," John#2 says "I buried Paul." At first, this may suggest that Paul had joined the other three Bealtes in dying. However, earlier John#2 sings "Nothing is real," which shows that his latter comment is not a 'real' clue, but rather a red herring to throw the unwary off of the real trail.
On the Sgt. Pepper album, the Beatles introduce Billy Shears to replace Ringo#2 (that is the original Ringo's replacement) who is the real victim of the November 1966 car crash that figures so prominently in the "Paul Is Dead" theory. How anyone ever thought that Billy Shears was Paul's replacement is hard to fathom. After all, the next song following the "Let me introduce to you the one and only Billy Shears" bit is sung by 'Ringo'. And 'Ringo' would provide further confirmation in 1973's "I'm the Greatest" when he admits "My name is Billy Shears/It has been for so many years." In the face of this evidence, the thought that Billy Shears could be Paul's replacement seems faintly ridiculous.
Furthermore, it's well known that "A Day in the Life" describes the famed November 1966 car crash. However, everyone seems to have overlooked an obvious clue as to the victim of the car crash planted within "A Day in the Life": the ringing alarm clock!! Why would the Beatles include something that was 'ring'-ing unless it was to show that the song is about 'Ring'-o?!?
A similar identity-clue hidden within a death-clue appears on the front cover of the Magical Mystery Tour album. When the album is held upside down, the word 'Beatles' spells out the phone number of a London mortuary. However, the word 'Bealtes' is spelled out in stars--as in Ringo STARR! If the Beatles had really meant to indicate where Paul's body had been (as the "Paul is dead" theory insists), why would they use the one common symbol that was also a band memeber's last name? Obviously, this couldn't be a mere coincidence.
Also, one more clue from Sgt. Pepper needs to be discussed. On the front cover, someone holds a hand over Paul's head. This clearly mimics the actions of a priest in blessing the living--and Paul could certainly consider himself as blessed, as he was the only Beatle fate had spared.
The front cover of the Magical Mystery Tour album features one other clue. The titles of "Magical Mystery Tour", "The Fool on the Hill" and "Your Mother Should Know" are arranged as follows:
Magical... ...On The... ...Should...
Going counter-clockwise from the 'M', the capital letters spell out 'MOST' which is meant to indicate that MOST of the Beatles had died and been replaced. (After all, the odds of the capitals in a bunch of song titles coincidentally spelling out such a word must be millions to one). Also, on the inside cover of MMT, reference is made to "four or five magicians"--an allusion to the four replacements, plus Paul who serves as 5th magician--the 'magic' being the ability to keep the Beatles going despite the secret deaths of three members. As for songs: John#2 sings "I Am the Walrus." Walruses are death symbols to Scandinavians. (Or maybe that was Eskimos. Or perhaps Falkland Islanders. I can't quite remember.) And in 'Hello, Goodbye", Paul sings "I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello," a reference to the original Beatles (and one replacement) dying (Saying "Goodbye") and Paul surviving to say "hello" to their replacements.
1968: In "Glass Onion," John#2 sings "Here's another clue for you all/The walrus was Paul." However, in this song, as in "Strawberry Fields," John#2 also sings "Nothing is real," thus tipping off the alert listener to the fact that this 'clue' is a mere red herring. In "I'm So Tired," John#2 sings about cigarettes ("coffin nails").
Furthermore, at the end of "I'm So Tired," John#2 says several nonsense syllables which, when played backwards, become "Paul, I'm dead." However, due to the poor sound quality, many insist mistakenly that it's "Paul is dead." (Much like the people who mistakenly insist on claiming that the words at the end of "Strawberry Fields" are 'cranberry sauce') In "Yer Blues," John#2 sings "If I ain't dead already" in ironic reference to John (that is the real John) indeed being dead already.
1969: On the cover of Abbey Road, a VW has the license plate "281F," which can, of course be read, as '28IF' and denotes that John (born in Oct, 1940) would have been 28 when Abbey Road was released (Sept. 1969) IF he had lived. Also, the use of the "281F" plate is really a clever clue-within-a-clue, since the substitution of '1' for 'I' must have been inspired by the fact that Abbey Road was released only *1* month before John's birthday. Possibly the poignancy of that juxtaposition was what inspired the decision to mention John's age (had he lived) on the cover rather than George's or Ringo's (presumably the decision to not refer to all their ages was motivated by the difficulty in parking three cars so one could read all their license plates).
John#2's song "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is abruptly cut off, clearly as a metaphor for the real John's life being abruptly cut short back in 1965. In "Come Together," the line "come together, over me" refers to a burial (where, of course, the mourners 'come together' over the grave). Later in this song, the line "one and one and one is three" indicates that three original Beatles were buried. Why isn't it "1+1+1+1 is four"? Because... The "I'd like to be under the sea" lines in "Octopus's Garden" indicate that Ringo#2 (that is, the replacement who was replaced by Billy Shears) was buried at sea. Thus, there was no gravesite for others to 'Come Together' over. Therefre, its "1+1+1 is three." QED.
Of course, all of this is still only the preliminary work. I don't own a version of Magical Mystery Tour with the original booklet in it, I don't have the resources necessary to listen to every single song backwards, etc. I beseach the dedicated investigators that must be out there among the RMB'ers to help unearth more important clues.
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #5 on Jun 16, 2011, 1:07am »
Taking a fresh new look at the Abbey Road cover, and I wondered about this the first time I saw clues associated with it, why couldn't John being dressed in white mean "white is associated with a 'soul'" or dead person, or even 'ghost'? He's the corpse, the one to be buried?
It also means a new theory has to be developed for why Paul barefoot. Could the 'sandals were too ugly' idea really be the truth?
And look, no small Paul for sure. Could the business suit he's wearing mean "business as usual" for him, because he'd been there a lot longer than the other 3? So there would still be a reason Paul is the one out of step. But the bare feet -- everything is too perfectly planned for any coinciences.
Has anyone noticed Paul has the Beatles moptop hair, signifying he's still here, he's the one who is? But WHICH Paul is this? Certainly not small Paul, he's not short enough.
And why is John's heel at an angle almost touching Ringo's toe? Everyone has been saying John is the preacher, but they don't wear white, as a general rule. Especially to a funeral?
28IF = If John had lived, one day after it would have been his 28th birthday, he's the first one in the line.
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Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #6 on Jun 16, 2011, 8:49am »
This is the sort of discussion that causes people to refuse to take PID seriously in the first place. In fact, you are citing from an article that is meant to provide counter-examples for the purpose of ridiculing the whole idea.
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #7 on Jun 16, 2011, 2:50pm »
What I'm attempting to do is get to the truth of this, that's how seriously I'm taking it. It could be true that one of the Pauls did die. I'm seeing for sure now that we never saw in North America the small Paul that performed in England. Over at PID we are now comparing the different Ringos, Johns and Georges showing up on videos exactly when this article states they would have died - or quit and sold their identity? - and been replaced. I need to find my own proof and not just go by what someone else believes they've already established. If it was truly the 3rd Ringo who was killed in a car crash in 1966, isn't it better to know that for sure than to go on with a myth?
The Abbey Road cover itself is pointing to John as the one who died in 1965. He would have been "28IF" he had lived to his next birthday. I'm putting this here for discussion, and if you can poke holes in it, that's what I want to see, then I'll move forward in a different direction, but for now, this is what I'm sticking with until it is proven right or wrong. People want to say John is dressed in white because he's the preacher, but they don't usually dress in that color, at least not for a funeral, and why would they wear white boots to a cemetery where they would get dirty? I say John is the 'soul' - the one who died - in that picture. The license plate on the car goes with the whole story on that cover.
I think it's a better idea to attack the information in the article instead of the one posting it. I'm staying open-minded about this. I started out with no pre-conceived notion of what to believe, except that there were different Pauls showing up all the time before 1966. I have no "pet theory" to protect. I just want to know the truth, if it can be discovered.
There is so much more information to discover. Take a look at this video from 1963 the Beatles in Sweden. It's John with a wider nose. They are lip-synching.
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #8 on Jun 16, 2011, 3:19pm »
It's like someon over at the PID board said, maybe all the originals died, and a bunch of no-names started covering for them. Maybe this is why they all seem to be strangers to each other. Or if Paul is the one who lived, maybe that's why they were envious of him, and acted stand-offishly towards him.
I want to take it "all" seriously. If there is RID, GID, JID and PID, let's give them equal research. I was already seeing a shorter George show up on viedos in 1964, and I know there are differences in Ringo from video to video.
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #10 on Jun 19, 2011, 3:11pm »
It's INCREDIBLY crazy, I agree with you there, but take a look for yourself. I've put in very long hours every day on this over the last several weeks. I don't know how you reached your conclusion, but I looked at the fluctuating height differences, the different singing styles, listened closely to the voices, didn't just look at the faces.
I decided to count up how many Pauls there are in a pack. I found a big pack o' Pauls. There are at least 7 Pauls by 1966, or maybe more.
The Quarreymen -- Tall George, short Paul - this is the oldest group of them I can find, so for now I'm calling this the original.
Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers Hard to tell, don’t see George.
The Silver Beatles Tall Paul, short George – still only the 50s But wait, he’s taller than John on the left, shorter on the right? Maybe it was two different performances, and two different sets already - multiples?
This is a group photo of them in Liverpool - Paul and Ringo shorter than George and John. A very wide nose on John here, like is seen in their 1963 Sweden performance when they were lip-synching.
This is what was advertised for Sweden – Paul even shorter than Ringo, John the tallest.
This is who performed in Sweden instead – Paul taller than all.
And who is this? Are we looking at a Cyrano de Bergerac situation? Is he possibly the one from the Quarrymen?
Mid-sized Paul in This Boy video 1964 – George shorter than John.
Tall Paul in This Boy video 1964 – George taller than John.
1965 This Boy video – George short again.
The “other” tall Paul who sang Yesterday in 1965. The one John said "was just like him".
I found this group picture with Ed Sullivan – check out the heights – must be 1964:
Here they are again with Ed, must be ’65 – notice the different heights now, and how much taller they all are than Ed this time (except maybe John) – has to be a very tall George. Even Ringo is taller than Ed Sullivan here.
Then there’s this very small Paul. He's most likely the same one as in the Lucky Stars ad below, though.
And there is “small Paul” from the Lucky Stars ad. This seems to be the Paul everyone thinks is dead, but we never saw him perform in the U.S. My guess is this is Ringo #1, and this is the same group as in the autographed photo below:
I’ve heard mention of a Paul with chipmunk cheeks, and that he is supposed to be "the" Paul McCartney of "The Beatles". This is about the only one of those I’ve come across, but he looks taller than small Paul:
I've lost count, but there is a small Paul (1), a mid Paul (2), and at least two taller Pauls (3, 4). Then there are 2 Pauls here that I can't place into any group who performed [ Liverpool (5) and the "de Bergerac" one (6) ]. Two or three Georges, and at least two Ringos by 1966. There's probably more than one John by then, too.
There was the group in Japan, too, that some people think were doubles. That makes one more Paul (7). They were THE worst singers of all.
I'm seeing on you tubes that within the same year/s, Paul and George's heights changed back and forth (interpenetrating - Jupiter beings?) What is to be made of this?
I've come to the conclusion that it is now a paranormal subject. There are too many things identical with each Paul "double". The teeth are exactly identical as well as the eyes, down to the very finest details.
Re: Mare than one double? « Reply #13 on Jun 19, 2011, 7:53pm »
He would have had to be standing on stilts to be as tall as he was in some of these pictures and videos. Lifts would NEVER have worked.They would need to be 6 or 7 inches thick, and I think that would be too noticable, and lifts don't make a person's arms and legs longer. He couldn't have danced in them without looking clunky and awkward, not to mentiong falling over a lot. I know it's hard to let go of the myth, but it's not good for the human race to keep on with this. Nothing explains George's fluctuation in height from picture to picture or video to video. He started out being the tallest of the 3 in the Quarrymen, so how does he go back and forth, sometimes being even shorter than John, and in at least one video how is he shorter than the shortest version of Paul?
I saw some of the photos nanbird posted, and I have seen that in some of the facial close-ups, the earlobes are unattached (first Paul in Quarrymen) and in others they are attached (the other "Pauls"). I don't doubt she means well, but closer scrutiny has become necessary due to many still-unanswered questions.
It holds its own water and is not meant as entertainment. Paul is standing on a mound in this first picture on the left, his feet are higher up than the others, but not in the second. I don’t see any lifts either time. Notice here in the first picture, on the left he has a short torso and longish legs, but is still shorter than John. In the second picture on the right, he has a long torso and short legs, yet is taller than John.
Looks like their feet are level in both of these next pictures, and no lifts. Notice how much shorter his legs are in the first picture, and longer in the second picture, and how much shorter than John he is in the first? Where are the lifts and why wasn't he wearing them? In the second picture he is much taller than John, yet his shoes are flat, not thick as when a person wears lifts. How would his arms and legs bcome so much longer?
The tall Paul/s in America was/ were egotistical and vain. I never saw the short one except on some very old film footage, but he seemed much different, less conceited and full of himself. The only one who looks the same in both of these next pictures is Ringo.
They look nothing like one another. Where is your evidence the right photo is Phil? It's blurry, poor quality and out of focus. Or are you just making rubbish up like Faul is an old lady?
« Last Edit: Jun 23, 2011, 2:44pm by truthseeker »
They look nothing like one another. Where is your evidence the right photo is Phil? It's blurry, poor quality and out of focus. Or are you just making rubbish up like Faul is an old lady?
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