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Post by sunsoflight on Nov 20, 2008 21:21:10 GMT -5
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Post by B on Nov 20, 2008 22:25:41 GMT -5
Dunno, but the lines on his forehead are atypical, particulaly the circle above his right (our left) eye.
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Post by sunsoflight on Nov 21, 2008 7:45:44 GMT -5
He resembles an older version Paul somewhat, just noticed a slight resemblance.
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Post by sunsoflight on Dec 5, 2008 16:39:34 GMT -5
We talked a little about the connection to 10cc on the previous page. There is one more connection there with The Beatles. Kevin Godley, of Godley and Creme and also 10cc was one of the directors on the Anthology project. www.imdb.com/name/nm0324137/Eric Stewart also worked on three Paul McCartney albums, co-writing Press to Play. The other two directors are Geoff Wonfor, who has worked in other Faul projects, also, Bob Smeaton who has directed several music projects. www.imdb.com/name/nm0938892/www.imdb.com/name/nm0806736/
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 13, 2008 21:33:59 GMT -5
You should check to see if it's possible that this guy stood in for JPM at one or more 1966 performances, (before JPM was killed).
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Post by Girl on Aug 6, 2009 19:09:46 GMT -5
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Post by 8749 on Nov 4, 2009 16:04:24 GMT -5
I was reading Every Little Thing by William McCoy and Mitchell McGeary. It a compilation of record variations, different mixes, etc. In Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da they say the opening six handclaps are not present in the mono mix. The mono mix was also issued as a single in Australia (Apple A-8693) and in the West Indies (Parlophone Records.) We speculated that the Marmalade version had REAL Paul singing lead. In the video on youtube (and I can't get a clean link to it; try Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da The Marmalade on the youtube site), the photo shown behind the band is a jar of Rose's West Indian Marmalade. Compare Marmalade's version with the stereo Beatle's version www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbuzJp37Qis which has the hand-clapping and FAKE Paul singing lead. I think REAL Paul made a recording of OLD-OLD that was passed on to Marmalade. The trick would be trying to find out WHEN his recording was made.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 4, 2009 16:26:33 GMT -5
I was reading Every Little Thing by William McCoy and Mitchell McGeary. It a compilation of record variations, different mixes, etc. In Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da they say the opening six handclaps are not present in the mono mix. The mono mix was also issued as a single in Australia (Apple A-8693) and in the West Indies (Parlophone Records.) We speculated that the Marmalade version had REAL Paul singing lead. In the video on youtube (and I can't get a clean link to it; try Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da The Marmalade on the youtube site), the photo shown behind the band is a jar of Rose's West Indian Marmalade. Compare Marmalade's version with the stereo Beatle's version www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbuzJp37Qis which has the hand-clapping and FAKE Paul singing lead. I think REAL Paul made a recording of OLD-OLD that was passed on to Marmalade. The trick would be trying to find out WHEN his recording was made. This is the Marmalade version with the Paul vocal: ...which is VERY strange because it's a different singer than the other versions that exist. Like this one: And this one:
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Post by 8749 on Nov 9, 2009 17:14:22 GMT -5
I tried to find a website where I could listen to the West Indies Parlophone version of OLD-OLD, but no luck. Can anyone find that version?
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Post by B on Nov 9, 2009 18:39:50 GMT -5
P(D)enny La(i)ne wrote: This is the Marmalade version with the Paul vocal: OMG!
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Post by knowthe411 on Nov 23, 2009 4:27:04 GMT -5
In the Marmalade video, the guitarist on the left looks like Denny Laine. For a moment, the guitarist on the left looks and sounds like John Lennon. And what about that last line "and if you want some jam"? It's either Paul or a spot-on imitation. The pianist didn't get much video time, did he?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 23, 2009 9:19:07 GMT -5
In the Marmalade video, the guitarist on the left looks like Denny Laine. For a moment, the guitarist on the left looks and sounds like John Lennon. And what about that last line "and if you want some jam"? It's either Paul or a spot-on imitation. The pianist didn't get much video time, did he? The pianist is Junior Campbell.
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Post by 8749 on Nov 23, 2009 16:51:46 GMT -5
P(D)enny's first video has the Paul lead. There are several words sung like "hand" that are undoubtedly Paul's voice. I'm less sure about the vocal in the third video. At 3:05 in the 3rd. video, the man second from the right does look like Denny Laine. He is also in a color photo at the beginning of the 1st. video: the man on the far right at the top. If anyone really wanted to dig deep, what jewelry store does the Marmalade musician go into at 1:16 in the 3rd. video? A screen catch could be flipped. Also, would there be any way of finding out where the 3rd. video was filmed by the flag that is flying over the building they are standing in front of? (at 1:56-2:02.) And who is the young blonde woman playing Molly? (pictured best at 1:56-2:02.) There is one more thing I saw. In the credits on the 3rd. video at 0:05, it says EMI Music Publishing Singapore. Weird! These are the kinds of details that need to be looked at to find answers.
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Post by knowthe411 on Dec 1, 2009 0:11:51 GMT -5
The lyrics to "Hallelujah Freedom" sound like something JPM would write about his handlers. The smoking gun for me is his April 1964 interview with David Frost in which he hints that the group felt they had gained some power and had a right to suggest to their bosses different musical ideas.
If they did Klaatu in Canada, which I believe they did, then why wouldn't Paul do this under the name William Campbell?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 17, 2009 16:28:56 GMT -5
A little birdie over at Youtube clued me into a band called The Flying Machine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Machine_(band)"The Flying Machine is best known for its major hit single in 1969, "Smile A Little Smile For Me", which peaked at number 5 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart (on Kapp Records' Congress record label) Their first record which was self titled was released by JANUS RECORDS in 1969.
By 12 December that year they had sold a million copies of the record, and it was awarded a gold disc by the R.I.A.A. [1] The song was penned by the songwriting pairing of Tony Macaulay (who also wrote for MARMALADE and Geoff Stephens. Oddly, despite originating from the other side of the Pond, the record had no presence at all on the UK Singles Chart, despite its initial release there on Pye Records.
A follow-up single, a cover version of "Baby Make It Soon", first recorded by Marmalade, scraped the U.S. Hot 100 the following year, but the group reportedly grew frustrated with their pop-oriented style.
A final single, "The Devil Has Possession Of Your Mind" , suggested a change of direction, but the Flying Machine split up following its release.[2]
Bassist Colman went on to a successful career as a session musician, record producer and BBC Radio disc jockey." "Smile A Little Smile For Me" "You really should accept This time he's gone for good He'll never come back now Even though he said he would So, darling, dry your eyes So many other guys Would give the world I'm sure To wear the shoes he wore" "The Devil Has Possession of Your Mind" "But your virtue's fading fast I've been tuned into your past I've been watching down the line And the Devil has possession of your mind I am sick of your abuse You can't give me no excuse I am leaving you behind And the Devil has possession of your mind"
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Post by B on Dec 17, 2009 20:55:20 GMT -5
not the same group, but interesting none-the-less"Sweet dreams and Flying Machines in pieces on the ground" - James Taylor ("Fire and Rain") www.wikimusicguide.com/James_Taylor"After his rehabilitation, he went back to New York and formed a new group, The Flying Machine. In 1968, James transferred in London where he submitted a demo tape to Peter Asher, a former member of Peter & Gordon."
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Post by B on May 29, 2010 11:54:25 GMT -5
My God that's an interesting "coincidence". I mean: The fact that "The Factory" and Warhol seem to have had an influence on the "Magical Mystery Tour" imagery, and then Andy "just happens" to show a Pepper Pot can of soup label getting "shredded" when it has been alledged that Faul came from the group "The Pepperpots". If it were a can of mushroom soup, or cream of celery soup, it wouldn't have the significance that it does being a can of Pepper Pot soup. Curious indeed. I mean, Lou Reed, of the Velvet Underground, wrote rip-off songs for rip-off bands like "The Pepperpots", and so he would quite possibly have known about them, and so, being a friend of Andy's, he would possibly have told the one "painting testimonial pictures" about who Faul was. Just sayin'. I don't know this for a fact, but still... Pepper Pot soup. Hmmm. Pepperpots cover: (ignore the cover on the right) Primitives cover: (Lou Reed and John Cale) a short-lived group assembled to support a Reed-penned single, "The Ostrich". Were they, in many respects, the same group?
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Post by B on May 30, 2010 7:46:32 GMT -5
Recently GnikNusEht posted a video which includes some of the film footage of the Beatles standing in a field at the start:
The white dots you see at 08 seconds indicate the start of the filming. There is a famous series of films Andy Warhol did of his models, all of which start with a similar series of white dots on the film. In essence, the inclusion of the white dots on the Beatle footage could suggest, implicitly, that Faul, who is shown at the time the dots appear, is another Warhol 'model'. I am saying that I believe the white dots in the Beatle film were deliberately inserted to hearken back to the Warhol 'model' films. They would probably not have been included in a professionally released Beatles shoot.
GnikNusEht's video seems to have a tendency to get hung up at about seven seconds in, and so the standard YouTube "downloading" pattern of dots rotating appears, but that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the large white dots that appear at 8 seconds in on the video.
None of this has anything to do with Junior Campbell; I am just pointing out another possible Warhol link to Faul, and vice versa; another clue to suggest that Faul is linked to Andy Warhol and The Factory.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on May 4, 2011 10:00:16 GMT -5
William Campbell, Played ‘Star Trek’ Klingon, Dies at 87 William Campbell, above right, with Keenan Wynn in the 1952 film "Holiday for Sinners." By MARGALIT FOX Published: May 3, 2011 LinkWilliam Campbell, an actor who was widely familiar to film and television audiences and who was also known as the first husband of Judith Campbell Exner, a mistress of President John F. Kennedy, died on Thursday in Woodland Hills, Calif. He was 87. His death, at the Motion Picture & Television Hospital, was confirmed by Jennifer Fagen, a spokeswoman for the Motion Picture & Television Fund, which administers the hospital. Mr. Campbell was often described as resembling Liberace. (The basis for comparison appears to have been physical rather than sartorial.) He used the resemblance to good effect in a memorable guest role on “Star Trek,” in early 1967. Titled “The Squire of Gothos” and broadcast in the show’s first season, the episode featured Mr. Campbell as a dandified alien obsessed with human history of the 18th century. He returned in Season 2 for what is very likely the best-loved episode in the history of the show, “The Trouble With Tribbles,” first broadcast in late 1967. Mr. Campbell played Koloth, a Klingon captain contending with the title creatures, wildly proliferating things that resemble a powder puff crossed with a potato. Mr. Campbell reprised the role in 1994 on “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.” His other television work includes guest spots on “Perry Mason,” “Bonanza,” “Gunsmoke” and “The Streets of San Francisco.” His film credits include “Love Me Tender,” Elvis Presley’s first picture; “Man Without a Star,” directed by King Vidor; “Cell 2455 Death Row,” based on the memoir by the convict Caryl Chessman; “Dementia 13,” directed by Francis Ford Coppola; and “Hush ... Hush, Sweet Charlotte,” directed by Robert Aldrich and starring Bette Davis and Olivia de Havilland. In later years, Mr. Campbell worked as the chief fund-raiser for the Motion Picture & Television Fund. William Campbell was born in Newark on Oct. 30, 1923; he received his training at the American Theater Wing. In 1952 he married Judith Immoor, as Ms. Exner was then known, who was 18 at the time; they divorced in 1958. She took up with Frank Sinatra, through whom she met President Kennedy and the Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana, who also became her lover. In an interview with People magazine in 1988, Ms. Exner confirmed her affair with the president and said that she had arranged a series of meetings between him and Mr. Giancana. Mr. Campbell’s survivors include his third wife, Tereza. Information on other survivors was unavailable. Ms. Exner died in 1999. In an interview with The New York Times in 1975, Mr. Campbell expressed surprise at the turn her life took after their marriage ended, describing her as a “quiet, family kind of girl” from “a typical American home.” Incidentally, this is the same William Campbell who played "Police Officer" in the film "Killer Diller," which has it's own thread.
So I was flipping through the channels on the television last night, and I came across an old movie called "The Fleet's In" on Turner Classic. It looked interesting, so I lingered for a moment, and I was soon rewarded by one of the characters using the phrase "killer diller" to describe our old friend William Holden. "It's no use trying to cover up any longer, Casey. The whole ship knows you're a Killer Diller." The exchange is here at 3:54. Another scene references both boxing and the Dakota, which just happens to be the name of the ship that Holden's character is assigned to. "The Fleet's In" (1942) Wiki and IMDB below: www.imdb.com/title/tt0034736/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fleet%27s_InNow, a lot of you old-timers will automatically understand why this all piqued my interest, but I'll provide a bit of background for those who aren't completely up to speed. "Polythene Pam" contains the line "she's killer diller when she's dressed to the hilt". In the 1957 movie "The Bridge on the River Kwai", William Holden plays an enlisted man who IMPERSONATES a dead officer named SHEARS. So, in essence, we have William (Holden) Shears, or Billy Shears. Further, in a later scene, Holden's character is pretending to be insane and he says: "I'm getting worse, you know. Sometimes I think I'm Admiral Halsey." So, here we have William "Billy" Shears pretending to be Admiral Halsey, which is just too juicy to pass up, considering the Billy Shears/Sgt. Pepper connection and the McCartney song "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey". And of course, during my investigation, I also came across the following film: Killer Diller (1948)Cast: * Dusty Fletcher as Dusty * George Wiltshire as Dumdone, the Manager * Butterfly McQueen as Butterfly * Nellie Hill as Lola, His Fianée * Freddie Robinson as Sarge * William Campbell as Policeman * Edgar Martin as Policeman * Sidney Easton as Policeman * Augustus Smith as Stage Hand * Moms Mabley as Moms * Ken Renard as The Great Voodoo This is very interesting because Paul McCartney was rumored to have been replaced by a man named William Campbell, and one version has it that Campbell was a Canadian Police Officer. See the Junior Campbell thread for lots more on a different William Campbell. invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4878&page=1So what I always thought was just another of Lennon's nice sounding word plays (Killer Diller) actually seems to be yet another reference to our saga. Killer Diller. Indeed.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on May 4, 2011 14:41:57 GMT -5
Interesting that he had the features, not the hair, of a Mc Cartney type...not a dead ringer, but the dark hair and boyish good looks....interesting that his name is William Campbell a name attached to the former life of the man we call "Faul" or in some circles "Bill"....
Maybe he's Faul's father....and our Bill/Faul is William Campbell....JR....
Interesting....if it were connected....
Makes you wonder...
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Post by linus on Jun 13, 2012 23:51:07 GMT -5
My God that's an interesting "coincidence". I mean: The fact that "The Factory" and Warhol seem to have had an influence on the "Magical Mystery Tour" imagery, and then Andy "just happens" to show a Pepper Pot can of soup label getting "shredded" when it has been alledged that Faul came from the group "The Pepperpots". If it were a can of mushroom soup, or cream of celery soup, it wouldn't have the significance that it does being a can of Pepper Pot soup. Curious indeed. I mean, Lou Reed, of the Velvet Underground, wrote rip-off songs for rip-off bands like "The Pepperpots", and so he would quite possibly have known about them, and so, being a friend of Andy's, he would possibly have told the one "painting testimonial pictures" about who Faul was. Just sayin'. I don't know this for a fact, but still... Pepper Pot soup. Hmmm. Pepperpots cover: (ignore the cover on the right) Primitives cover: (Lou Reed and John Cale) a short-lived group assembled to support a Reed-penned single, "The Ostrich". Were they, in many respects, the same group? Good find B. That sure seems to be another shot from the same photoshoot for the Billy and the Pepperpots photo used on the MerseyMania Lp.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Jun 14, 2012 4:32:56 GMT -5
My God that's an interesting "coincidence". I mean: The fact that "The Factory" and Warhol seem to have had an influence on the "Magical Mystery Tour" imagery, and then Andy "just happens" to show a Pepper Pot can of soup label getting "shredded" when it has been alledged that Faul came from the group "The Pepperpots". If it were a can of mushroom soup, or cream of celery soup, it wouldn't have the significance that it does being a can of Pepper Pot soup. Curious indeed. I mean, Lou Reed, of the Velvet Underground, wrote rip-off songs for rip-off bands like "The Pepperpots", and so he would quite possibly have known about them, and so, being a friend of Andy's, he would possibly have told the one "painting testimonial pictures" about who Faul was. Just sayin'. I don't know this for a fact, but still... Pepper Pot soup. Hmmm. Pepperpots cover: (ignore the cover on the right) Primitives cover: (Lou Reed and John Cale) a short-lived group assembled to support a Reed-penned single, "The Ostrich". Were they, in many respects, the same group? Good find B. That sure seems to be another shot from the same photoshoot for the Billy and the Pepperpots photo used on the MerseyMania Lp. forget the one on the right? bill shepard and the ranch hands will shepard the ranch hands. it spawns a whole bunch of spidery thoughts. imagine knowing lou reed has a phony name he uses to put out "no name" records - cowboy songs and such. flea market stuff. it the equivalent of learning l ron hubbard wrote lyrics for a later manifestation of the chordettes. but its totally different. nevertheless i imagine a rainbow bridge coming from the very center of that cover - with just a touch of shadow on the ray. the soup cans very psychedelic. in a black hole kind of way.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jun 21, 2012 12:24:49 GMT -5
Re Obladioblada; Sir "Faul" chose this song as finale to appearance on the Diamond Jubilee Concert. Strange choice of all the songs to choose from?
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Post by iameye on Jun 21, 2012 21:57:34 GMT -5
Re Obladioblada; Sir "Faul" chose this song as finale to appearance on the Diamond Jubilee Concert. Strange choice of all the songs to choose from? No, not really. Life goes on. With or without you. Brah
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jun 26, 2012 18:11:36 GMT -5
Well it certainly sounds like someone else singing on The Marmalade video and sounds like "Paul!" after "Life goes on!" and in the other video Dean Ford appears to forget the words....then all these years later "Faul" chooses this song for Jubilee concert as if this song is special to him in some way?
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