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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 16, 2006 23:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by lili on Jan 17, 2006 13:33:31 GMT -5
For those who INSIST that Paul was female, they should check this out: sentstarr.tripod.com/beatgirls/girl.htmlHe had more girlfriends than the other guys did ! I think that one of them would've spilled the beans that he didn't have a weenie !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 23, 2006 22:04:31 GMT -5
Why I think that JPM has beat the other three hands down in the chick department. Who was Thelma Pickles? I find that both John and Paul lists have her name in it..
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Post by beatlies on Jan 24, 2006 3:45:33 GMT -5
It's sometimes claimed that John Lennon's girlfriend the mystery woman Thelma Pickles was "shared" with JPM, just as it's also been claimed that JPM "shared" John Lennon's ideal beauty girl dream of a blonde that looks like "Brigitte Bardot." Didn't JPM have any fantasies or real girlfriends of his own selection?
What's this about Jane Asher being a virgin when she got married that as been mentioned in the TKIN forum?
As for the other girls in that alleged list of JPM girlfriends, I've found strange walls of obfuscation and contradiction with each one I've investigated, although I haven't yet completed the list.
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Post by lili on Jan 24, 2006 13:22:45 GMT -5
Jane couldn't be a virgin when she got married. She brought a child into that marriage ! According to what I read, she had a child in the early 1970's. It's impossible for me to make sense of what is being said on TKIN. I'm banned, so I have no means of reading the latest posts. What I don't understand is why some people are so determined to undermine Paul's masculinity He was born male, plain & simple. Anyone growing up during the Beatlemania period, heard about Paul's exploits with the girls. He was young & randy. They all were. I don't see anyone stating that any of the other three are female. I also don't see any of their exploits with women being questioned. Why is only Paul's history with women being questioned To me, it's the worst kind of propaganda. He has no means of defending himself against this slander
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 24, 2006 23:09:14 GMT -5
One thing I've learned from these forums, some people like to throw a bone out there and they have no documentation for what they write, and many people take it as absolute truth. We have to take alot of this information with a grain of salt, unless they have given references from old interviews, articles or some other site.
Unless one reads something that was written about Jane, an article she gave an interview or something, we are only getting speculations.
One can choose to believe these speculations, or take it with the possibility that it's just another bone to pick.
But it's sad because most of the people involved in this matter are dead and the "survivors" are not going to be talking about it.
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Post by lili on Jan 25, 2006 12:02:41 GMT -5
I agree Rita, & it sucks. Here's that article I was talking about :
Jane Asher Info Born: April 5, 1946
How she met Paul: An accomplished actress even at age 17, she was a regular on the show "Juke Box Jury". In April of 1963, she was selected to represent the views of teenagers and write an article for the Radio Times on the Beatles' concert of the night (she was initially most impressed with George). Paul developed an interest in her as they talked that night.
Engagement: Paul and Jane were rumored to be engaged many times throughout their 5 year romance. On Christmas of 1967, Paul did propose, however the engagement was called off six months later, after Jane discovered Paul in bed with Francie Schwartz. By November, Linda Eastman was living with Paul.
There was one major problem which followed the couple through their whole romance. Jane was a very independent career-oriented woman and Paul wanted a woman who would be happy being a housewife. Jane's many acting roles which required her to travel frequently were a constant source of dispute between the two and prompted some of Paul's more anger-filled songs, such as "I'm Looking Through You." In the end, although many had believed they were perfect for each other, they could not work out their differences.
Later marriages: Gerald Scarfe in 1981
Children: Kate, born on April 17, 1974, Alexander born in December 1981 and Rory born in 1984
Interesting Facts Her brother is Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon fame
Her mother taught George Martin to play the oboe (before Paul and Jane met)
Pictures Quotes The following quotes are from Hunter Davies' Authorized Biography of the Beatles (McGraw-Hill Book Co., 1968) and were compiled c. 1967:
"When they are all together, Paul is different. He isn't the same toward me as when we are alone. I want to feel that it's the two of us going through life together. I don't want to be part of a gang."
"I've been brought up to be always doing something. And I enjoy acting. I didn't want to give that up."
"When I came back after five months, Paul had changed so much. He was on LSD, which I knew nothing about. All he could talk about was the spiritual experiments he'd had with John."
(In reference to her meeting of the Beatles):"They couldn't believe I was a virgin."
Contact Jane (information courtesy of Elle)
Jane Asher c/o Incoming Mail BBC TV Centre Wood Lane London W12 7RJ England Jane.Asher@bbc.co.uk
Note: Particularly with the e-mail address, please respect Jane's privacy and only send appropriate mail. Remember, she shuns questions regarding Paul.
Links Recent rec.music.beatles news articles dealing with Jane
Jane Asher Interview
As you can see, it states that her daughter Kate was born in 1974, & she married her husband Gerald in 1981.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 25, 2006 23:20:25 GMT -5
Interesting information lili.
I remember part of a magazine article on former Beatle wives or girlfriends and one was with Jane. The only thing I remember from it was that she decorated cakes. Which I thought was a strange entry for a woman who was in acting. Which brings me to ask this question, Doesn't it seem strange some of the crap we are told about celebrities, or former celebrities that contradicts material we knew about them before?
I've even questioned some things, like at the end of the year, they always show a collage of actors and other famous people who passed away that year and every once in a while you see a face and ask yourself "Didn't he/she die a long time ago?" The latest one was Miss Ellie of Dallas fame, Barbara Bel Geddes. I had thought she died while Dallas was still on the air, and they had to replace her character with Donna Reed but the fans were outraged, so they just had the character die off? But the media said she died last year of lung cancer.
It seems odd that every once in a while someone who hasn't been in the spotlight, someone who has faded from the memories of the general public, someone you thought had died years ago, seems to "die again"? I just think it's odd, but I remember reading this on some other forum or blog. Just wanted to share it here, because we are given alot of strange information from the spin doctors.
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Post by Doc on Jan 26, 2006 2:39:15 GMT -5
Interesting information lili. I remember part of a magazine article on former Beatle wives or girlfriends and one was with Jane. The only thing I remember from it was that she decorated cakes. Which I thought was a strange entry for a woman who was in acting. Which brings me to ask this question, Doesn't it seem strange some of the crap we are told about celebrities, or former celebrities that contradicts material we knew about them before? I've even questioned some things, like at the end of the year, they always show a collage of actors and other famous people who passed away that year and every once in a while you see a face and ask yourself "Didn't he/she die a long time ago?" The latest one was Miss Ellie of Dallas fame, Barbara Bel Geddes. I had thought she died while Dallas was still on the air, and they had to replace her character with Donna Reed but the fans were outraged, so they just had the character die off? But the media said she died last year of lung cancer. It seems odd that every once in a while someone who hasn't been in the spotlight, someone who has faded from the memories of the general public, someone you thought had died years ago, seems to "die again"? I just think it's odd, but I remember reading this on some other forum or blog. Just wanted to share it here, because we are given alot of strange information from the spin doctors. Wait, I thought she died years ago?
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Post by JoJo on Jan 26, 2006 18:41:14 GMT -5
I made a post about that once, I think many times you remember quite clearly that someone died, and then you read a news story that they are either still around or died several years more recently than you remember. I've been to forums where people discuss/compare notes, and of course there are those who either accuse you of using too many drugs, or of having misfiring brain cells at the very least.
That reaction is quite understandable, and the only rational one of course.
It's happened to me, there are some that I have a clear as a bell memory.. Robert Crumb the cartoonist..he is still alive, I remember him passing away 10+ years ago. Red Skelton, I remember him passing in the 70's, he died in the late 90's according to what I read now. Nelson Mandella is still alive..
I could go on, and I'm only sharing my own personal memories or perceptions, I'm not a drug user, and still function quite well at my job every day, etc.
If one accepts the possibility that this is a real phenomena, then the question becomes: How? Or Why? Multiple timelines, and we move about them without realizing or understanding the process, or simply the physical universe is a hologram, and not as "fixed" as we believe?
Celebs are in the news, and we follow their activities with interest, so if something is "off", we might tend to notice.
This is not really a topic for which an argument that someone "must be delusional" is of any use, people can only compare notes with each other and draw their own conclusions.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 26, 2006 19:59:20 GMT -5
Definitely JoJo, I can't remember specifics but i've had similar scenarios myself.
"That reaction is quite understandable, and the only rational one of course. "
Because most have been conditioned to reject, abuse and ostracise (sp?) anyone with different views or opinions on things that have a supposed "rationale"... Anyone different full stop!
Of course anyone who believes in this forum shouldn't fall into this category.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 26, 2006 22:21:35 GMT -5
I thought I had read something and now I see it was JoJo who wrote it. Before I was a member of the forum, I visited here regularly. But it is funny that the "information agents" screw up on their stats. Maybe they are trying to confuse the sheeple of society with their "misinformation". Red did die in the 1970's, certainly not in the 90's.
I don't know if they decide to mess with minds and see if anyone is really paying attention, or if they just throw a "turd" out there and see who goes for it. But there have been celebs who have died twice, or perhaps have faded into obscurity and people start rumors that they died, that's why we don't see them anymore.
Maybe we've all been victims of a mass power of suggestion. We think someone died or is still alive. I remember one time finding a site that had a game "Dead or Alive" they posted a name and you either clicked yes they are dead or no they are alive and there were some I swore were dead and they said they were still alive.
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Post by lili on Jan 27, 2006 13:20:18 GMT -5
I agree. I have also been a victim of this deception. I also don't know what to make of it.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 27, 2006 19:18:08 GMT -5
It seems to me that these sorts of things happen to:
A. confuse the general public B. Someone in research has flubbed C. The powers that be don't have a "Who's Who in HOllywood" encyclopedia D. All of the above.
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Post by Valis on Jan 27, 2006 19:30:09 GMT -5
I also experienced that twice. When Roy Orbison died in 1989 I was only 14, but I clearly remember being stunned because I was sure at that moment he was already dead since the 70s.
The Dutch cartoonist Marten Toonder was already dead in the 80s..how shocked I was to hear of his passing away again on the news in 2005.
E.Reality is not what we believe it to be
All Love Jan
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 28, 2006 22:06:20 GMT -5
It's a scary thought.
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Post by lili on Jan 29, 2006 15:07:00 GMT -5
Very.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 30, 2006 11:51:23 GMT -5
That's funny about the Roy Orbison thing, wasn't he like in a horrible car wreck and someone in his family died, or was it a house fire?
The media likes to mess with our minds.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Jan 31, 2006 0:06:35 GMT -5
I love that site. It's so completely cool. thanks for posting it, Lovely Rita. I've got it bookmarked now.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 31, 2006 1:12:12 GMT -5
If you go to the Beatlegirls and look up Dorothy Rhone, there are some vintage pics of JPM. And I thought this link from one of George's girlfriends were interesting: sentstarr.tripod.com/beatgirls/touchables6.jpga very George-ish looking man....
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 29, 2006 1:20:38 GMT -5
I find it interesting,
"..of all the loves I have won or have lost..."
the lists seem so short...hmmm
Could it be that many of the names of women in their lives were not named because they were famous? Some are mentioned, but come on, this was not the extent of the list.
Curiously Sylvie isn't part of Paul's list...
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Post by pennylane on Mar 29, 2006 5:16:24 GMT -5
Paul dated Sylvie Vartan? since when?
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Post by lili on Mar 29, 2006 11:41:03 GMT -5
This situation is a disgrace:
Erika Hubers Erika Hubers was a pretty young girl with long, straight hair whose father owned a club on the Grosse Freiheit in Hamburg, Germany. Erika herself got a job as a waitress in one of the clubs in that area and it was there that she came across a young rough and ready group from Liverpool called The Beatles who were employed as entertainment there. Erika took a liking to one of their guitarists, Paul McCartney, and began dating him during most of the time he played the city. During this time Erika found herself to be pregnant and the child - a daughter named Bettina - was born the day Paul was due to return to Liverpool. When The Beatles became rich and famous, Erika visited a lawyer in Hamburg claiming that Paul knew of her pregnancy, and encouraged her to have an abortion. She also claimed the child was his, and her lawyer drew up legal documents and forwarded them to the Beatles' solicitor in London. Paul denied all responsibility and the documents were returned unanswered, Derek Jacobs (the Beatles solicitor) contending that if the mother continued to press charges, that they could be dealt with by a German tribunal. Erika's family threatened to file suit in England and so a settlement was reached and she stopped making her claims. By 1981, the daughter in question (who now had her own successful music career as a singer) was pursuing the case herself, claiming that her mother had been paid £13,000 in 1966 by The Beatles management to keep quiet about who her father was. Paul still denied paternity and in 1983 he underwent two separate blood tests which came back negative, finally proving he was not her father to a German judge overseeing the case.
Of course the blood test came up negative. The person whose blood they tested is not the original Paul McCartney. That makes poor Bettina more than just a bastard. And it also makes her mother out to be worse than a whore. I'm disgusted that Bill had done that to a young woman who had never wronged him. She was just looking for recognition from her father.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 29, 2006 17:55:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the "solicitor" for the Beatles wouldn't allow the child to be near her father. Would JPM have accepted responsibility for her?
Would love to see a pic of her..
Regarding Sylvie...don't know if he Dated her, but didn't he have a fling with Sylvie and give birth to his child'Nicholas"?
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 29, 2006 18:14:46 GMT -5
I couldn't find a pic, but I remember reading this very article when it featured in the Daily Mail, but couldn't be bothered to type it out to let you know, but read this,in some people's eyes it's sacrelige but hey, here goes. article
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