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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 7, 2006 8:17:47 GMT -5
Maybe it's Ann Coulter! She was workin' pretty hard at spreading evil yesterday.
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Post by beatlies on Jun 7, 2006 10:44:28 GMT -5
Maybe it's Ann Coulter! She was workin' pretty hard at spreading evil yesterday. [glow=red,2,300] IT'S A MAN, BABY ![/glow]
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Post by revolver on Jun 7, 2006 13:13:18 GMT -5
Don't forget there's been a 06/06/06 every hundred years. I don't recall reading about anything weird happening on June 06, 1906. It is a bit odd though, that the 30 year mortgage rate just reached 6.66% Kind of like when the S&P Futures contract closed at exactly 911.00, a day before the 1 year anniversary of 09/11/2001. And then there's the New York State Lotto numbers one year to the day came up 9-1-1.
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Post by lili on Jun 7, 2006 13:24:50 GMT -5
Who is Ann Coulter ? This is the 1st I've ever heard of her/him.
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Post by revolver on Jun 7, 2006 13:50:04 GMT -5
"Man"(?) Coulter is a neo-conservative columnist and author. Kind of like a female(?) version of Rush Limbaugh.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 7, 2006 16:38:52 GMT -5
Who is Ann Coulter ? This is the 1st I've ever heard of her/him. She was on the Today show yesterday., spewin' lots of venom about the 9-11 Widows coz they dare question the findings of the so-called 9-11 commission. Something like..."I've never seen a bunch of widows enjoy their husbands deaths as much as these ladies.." Ya can stream it on crookandliars.com. John Stewart also did a great piece on the silliness surrounding yesterdays date.... it was 6.6.06... not 6.6.6. That's probably up on crooksandliars by now also.... haven't been there yet today.
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Post by il ras on Jun 7, 2006 18:02:20 GMT -5
Guys that is what the Latins called a "longa manus"! LOL
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Post by il ras on Jun 7, 2006 18:23:16 GMT -5
Being serious... St. John in his letters says that the ones that are able to do it must calculate the Antichrist's name. The number that will be obtained will be 666. So the number is connected to his name and not to his date of birth or any other date in general. I don't know how to calculate it (someone says that, using ASCII, William Gates III gives 666) but let me remember you that it seems (the eldest version we have of it is from 250 AD) that the original version of the letters was written in Greek and, in that language, each letter has also a numerical value. For example alpha is 1 and so on...
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Post by JoJo on Jun 7, 2006 21:08:20 GMT -5
First heard about this one from the comic strip "Boondocks", whose author has had to take his share of abuse due to his political views and no BS way of presenting them. Well...had to start searching for info on this, lol. I always knew she was a rabid agent of misinformation, and a total nutcase, but a man? Yeah, I'd say so, those manly mitts of hers, wow! And I've never seen an adam's apple like that on someone born with two X chromosomes!
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Post by Doc on Jun 7, 2006 21:32:52 GMT -5
Being serious... St. John in his letters says that the ones that are able to do it must calculate the Antichrist's name. The number that will be obtained will be 666. So the number is connected to his name and not to his date of birth or any other date in general. I don't know how to calculate it (someone says that, using ASCII, William Gates III gives 666) but let me remember you that it seems (the eldest version we have of it is from 250 AD) that the original version of the letters was written in Greek and, in that language, each letter has also a numerical value. For example alpha is 1 and so on... Pardon me for pointing this out. Rev. 13-18 asks the one who has understanding to calculate the number of the beast, not calculate the number of any man. It does NOT ask a person to calculate the number of THE NAME of the beast. It never asks you to take a name and perform gematria. Calculate, by the way, means to count inventory using pebbles. It does not mean to sit with papyrus and a pen and do math. It does not mean to perform equations, calculations, or counting. It simply refers to the act of the sheepherder, at the end of the day, who puts one pebble in the box for each individual sheep that he counts. Psephizo comes from the word that means "pebble." It is a word that lives in the realm of INVENTORY. One pebble=one. No pebble means not one. Ones and zeroes. Zeroes and ones. BINARY CODE. In some bibles, the word is not "count", it is "compute." Compute the number. That is the main activity of every corporation, every business, every company, every accountant, every office--in the world. Computing corporate numbers, assigning numbers, to people, to their transactions, their houses, their money, taxes, jobs, etc. A "psephizo" is a pebble. A small stone. A bite. A pixel. A "calculus" is also a stone. Renal "calculi" are kidney stones. Functional Calculus deals with large number systems of counting large statistical representions of people. Here is a definition: from: www.thefreedictionary.com/functional+calculusREPRESENTATIONAL COUNTING, using a SYMBOL for a number. THe verse never asks a person to count the value of LETTERS in a name. No where do we see the word"letters" of the name. People think the verse says this: REV 13-18 Here is wisdom. Let the one who has understanding count the number values of the individual letters in the orthographically correct name of the Beast in the correct language, for the Beast is a man, one particulkar man, a very evil man, who is also the anti-Christ, and can not be a woman because we said so, and the name of this hideous, wicked man is what you must start with, and work in a gematric way with the letters of his name every which way until you successfully add those letters up to six hundred and sixty six. Revelation13-19 (the verse that ISN'T there but everyone thinks it is):Forthwith, if thou doth not guesseth the infernal name of this Man/Beast by the last day immerdiately preceeding the day of the Rapture of the Blessed church, thou will be lost for all time burning in toment in the fiery pits of hell forever with no hope of redemption for 3 eternities. If thine be unable to attain this infernal number, his unholy forehead will bear the symbol of damnation which can be seen by every nation, tongue, and peoples. And remember, Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, there is no C in koine Greek, it's a gamma = 3, Delta = 4, and so on. Don't forget to consider the several ligatures of letters in koine Greek as we in heaven wanted to make this test so especially hard that only damnable, atheistic college students majoring in Ancient languages would be able to solve the puzzle correctly, while millions of the elect with only a high school education would go to the lake of fire. Now, I am being ridiculous (yet again!!!!) to make the point. Much of what people insist is true, is by exacting standards, SIMPLY NOT THERE! Oh, but I like the book very very much. I desire to not add or subtract a word to it. Only to point out that that is being done EVERY day by people who mean well..... Ilras--I point out my ideas to you (I may need to flush out some errors, yes) because I know that you are cognitively brilliant and you don't fall for stupid sh*t. All I am saying is----DO interpret the bible for yourself---IF you are interested. If not, AVOID IT COMPLETELY as it might drive you crazy. Refer to the work of others. Look at the good expository work of two millenia about this strange book. And then, my next step------look for the add-ons. The add-ons that have come from traditions. The add-ons that snuck in and claim to be true. For instance, look for "Heaven helps those who help themselves." I'll give you a head start and twenty years to find it. PM when you locate the verse. With love, the faux-pastor wannabe, Dr. Rob.
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Post by Doc on Jun 7, 2006 21:54:30 GMT -5
First heard about this one from the comic strip "Boondocks", whose author has had to take his share of abuse due to his political views and no BS way of presenting them. Well...had to start searching for info on this, lol. I always knew she was a rabid agent of misinformation, and a total nutcase, but a man? Yeah, I'd say so, those manly mitts of hers, wow! And I've never seen an adam's apple like that on someone born with two X chromosomes! Is this true, someone recently told me that some rare women are born with "XXY", a little something extra on the side...............like serial killers sometimes have "XYY"...........a la Ted Bundy............ OK, this: www.therationalradical.com/diatribes/ann_coulter.htmEgads, Miss Thing has said some troubling things for sure.... I have not followed ....*ahem* her work..so I am new to her statements. Yikes. Let's just say-------that she's not my favorite.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 7, 2006 22:13:06 GMT -5
If I remember my high school biology, that is Klinefelter's syndrome. Hmm, I'm right. Those with this syndrome are anatomically male, although almost always sterile.
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Post by Doc on Jun 7, 2006 22:19:15 GMT -5
If I remember my high school biology, that is Klinefelter's syndrome. Hmm, I'm right. Those with this syndrome are anatomically male, although almost always sterile. Ah, thanks Jojo for the info. A specific definition like that doesn't leave much jiggle room.
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Post by Doc on Jun 7, 2006 22:25:59 GMT -5
If I remember my high school biology, that is Klinefelter's syndrome. Hmm, I'm right. Those with this syndrome are anatomically male, although almost always sterile. I was worried there for a minute. *WHEW!* They didn't list Purple X Sydrome.
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Post by lili on Jun 8, 2006 10:10:04 GMT -5
My ex-husband was a XXY. He told me this before we married, but I was young & didn't understand the ramifications of it. Needless to say, he was GAY. He tried the straight life with me, but he was not happy. He was built like a woman. He had breast buds & wide hips. He also knew his way around the dance floor. That man could DANCE ! Anyway, we tried to have children for 3 years, with no luck. He finally was tested & it was determined that he was sterile. So, I'd have to say that he did indeed have Klinefelter's syndrome. I filed for divorce after his best MALE friend told me that my husband confessed that he was in love with him. This same friend begged me not to tell my husband that he had told me this. So, my poor ex was not given the benefit of an explanation as to WHY I was divorcing him. Ces la vie ( such is life ).
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Post by il ras on Jun 8, 2006 16:51:06 GMT -5
Pardon me for pointing this out. Rev. 13-18 asks the one who has understanding to calculate the number of the beast, not calculate the number of any man. It does NOT ask a person to calculate the number of THE NAME of the beast. It never asks you to take a name and perform gematria. I pardon you (Robertus semper ignoscendus est ). May be I was not so accurate in describing my opinion but i didn't want to be too prolix and I'm not English mother language (probably I know Latin and ancient Greek, Attic to be more precise, better) so I hope you will forgive me too. Let me say that, by stating that calculus means "little stone", you just clarify the etymology, the origin of the word and that is really much older than the "Revelation" (or Apocalypse, from the verb"apokalupto"). The work here must be, at least, philological: what did John mean? First of all the word Antichrist is not in the Revelation, so we cannot be 100% sure that "the beast" and the AC are the same....let's say "thing". In Rev 13,17, John says (note:I'm translating directly from Greek, without knowing the American official version): "it will not be possible to buy or sell without having his mark, the name of the beast or the number of the beast itself. then it starts saying, as above mentioned, that "who can calculate...." Let's translate just few Greek words together, as the English site I have visited www.greekbible.com/index.phpdoesn't give a proper one in this point,IMHO, Rev 13,18: "arithmos gar anthropou estin" Arithmos is the subject of the sentence so: the number gar is an adverb and mostly means: indeed anthropou is in the genitive case so means: of the man estin means: is so the sentence should sound: "the number is indeed of the man" but, let me give you an hint: often in Latin and Greek they imply some word without writing it, especially if it was written in the previous sentence. In this case the word that is missing is "o onoma" that was in the previous sentence in the genitive case "tou onomatos" and that means "name" so that sentence means: "the number is indeed the name of a (the) man". Btw, in both cases (666 referring directly to his name or to something else connected to him in some other way) rev 13,17 says clearly that 666 is a concrete thing, and 13,18 says that someone can understand, by calculating, to who it belongs. I hope this clarifies my point of view.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 8, 2006 17:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Jun 8, 2006 18:51:19 GMT -5
"Ann Coulter" is definitely male. Whether he's a male with an extra X chromosome or, more likely I think, a "normal" XY man who had a sex change, all the indicators are there: facial bone structure, Adam's apple and the voice ---which are the most difficult aspects for transsexuals to change, the hands, the shoulders, the male speech patterns. There's an amazing lack of childhood/teenage/college photos of "her" him. I hope he has not REPLACED a real woman named Ann Coulter. In Al Franken's "Liars" book Franken points out that CIA Nazi Coulter has been caought lying about "her" his birth certificate information. Edit: Some comments on www.newshounds.us : [Ann Coulter was recently caught in her own fake voter registration scandal before her 6/6/06 attack on the NYC "9-11" inside job victims] According to the New Canaan, CT (the nice, little rich town where she was raised) voting registration office, she was born on Dec. 8, 1961. Now, of course, she could have lied about the year - you know, rather like she did when she lied about her residence and voted in the wrong place in FL. Posted by: dd at February 21, 2006 08:46 AM If (and I repeat if) Ann were a transexual, the birth certificate would have been changed and that could (I repeat could) be the reason for the discrepancies. If she were a "trans", the birth certificate would not be available to the public (as are all other birth certificates except for adoptions). We need someone to go to New Canaan and request the certificate in order to get down to the real nitty-gritty. Posted by: claudo at February 21, 2006 08:54 AM It would also be interesting if there was a high school and/or college yearbook with Ann's picture. That could serve to pinpoint her age and establish that she was not a trans as she wouldn't have had the operation (I would think) during her school years. Posted by: claudo at February 21, 2006 08:57 AM
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Post by Doc on Jun 8, 2006 23:40:26 GMT -5
Pardon me for pointing this out. Rev. 13-18 asks the one who has understanding to calculate the number of the beast, not calculate the number of any man. It does NOT ask a person to calculate the number of THE NAME of the beast. It never asks you to take a name and perform gematria. I pardon you (Robertus semper ignoscendus est ). May be I was not so accurate in describing my opinion but i didn't want to be too prolix and I'm not English mother language (probably I know Latin and ancient Greek, Attic to be more precise, better) so I hope you will forgive me too. Let me say that, by stating that calculus means "little stone", you just clarify the etymology, the origin of the word and that is really much older than the "Revelation" (or Apocalypse, from the verb"apokalupto"). The work here must be, at least, philological: what did John mean? First of all the word Antichrist is not in the Revelation, so we cannot be 100% sure that "the beast" and the AC are the same....let's say "thing". In Rev 13,17, John says (note:I'm translating directly from Greek, without knowing the American official version): "it will not be possible to buy or sell without having his mark, the name of the beast or the number of the beast itself. then it starts saying, as above mentioned, that "who can calculate...." Let's translate just few Greek words together, as the English site I have visited www.greekbible.com/index.phpdoesn't give a proper one in this point,IMHO, Rev 13,18: "arithmos gar anthropou estin" Arithmos is the subject of the sentence so: the number gar is an adverb and mostly means: indeed anthropou is in the genitive case so means: of the man estin means: is so the sentence should sound: "the number is indeed of the man" but, let me give you an hint: often in Latin and Greek they imply some word without writing it, especially if it was written in the previous sentence. In this case the word that is missing is "o onoma" that was in the previous sentence in the genitive case "tou onomatos" and that means "name" so that sentence means: "the number is indeed the name of a (the) man". Btw, in both cases (666 referring directly to his name or to something else connected to him in some other way) rev 13,17 says clearly that 666 is a concrete thing, and 13,18 says that someone can understand, by calculating, to who it belongs. I hope this clarifies my point of view. Robertus semper ignoscendus est Thank you. I want to share a seemingly unrelated set of ideas. rhetoric.byu.edu/figures/M/metaplasm.htmrhetoric.byu.edu/figures/P/paronomasia.htmThe "name" of the beast, IMO, means the "authority" of the beast. If I knock on a door, and say, "I am Joe Jones, and I am here in the name of the State of California", then I have not changed my orthograohic letter sequence to "The State of California", I have merely been sent OFFICIALLY to execute business under the aupices of the state of California. I act in vested authority. The "Name of the Beast" isn't Damian, or Prince Charles, or King Arthur, or Geo Bush, or Gorbachev, or Bil Clinton, or even Osama Whats-his-face. I can't come in the Name of Gorby to feed you, or clothe you. I could not go "buy and sell" by telling the people at the store that my name was Henry Kissinger. If I need the "name" of the beast to buy something, I don't change my name to the name of the Beast. I take the authority of it. If I take the authority of it, then I have become a associate or an employee of it. All the myriad of people who will employed by the beast will have the name of the beast. They will have the authority; they will have the name of it. Also, "his" from "his name" (autos onomos) in the Greek is "autos." Which is more often, "It's". Most European languages have gender cases for everything. English is a language with a non-gender specific pronoun case--it, it's. Right? In French, Spanish, Italian, Greek, etc, everything is gender specific. In English, we don't assign gender to boats, towns, houses, books, objects, etc. For us who speak English, they are simply "it." The number of ITS name is, IMO, more correct. The Beast is an "it", not a "he." In French, if you ask how is the weather, the French response may be: "Il fait beau", or "he does beautifully." Every Frenchman knows that you take the "il" to mean "it", in the male sense, as it refers back to the weather, which the French consider male...... You wrote, and I like your translation: "it will not be possible to buy or sell without having his mark, the name of the beast or the number of the beast itself." Which tells us that in order to buy or sell, you must HAVE, or be in possession of, the mark, the name, or the number. Tell me who buys and sells in this world? Everyone. So, everyone, in order to have siccess in the market place, must POSSESS this "mark", the name (authority?), or the number of it's name, i.e., a specific number (arithmos) which gives the bearer the authority---to buy and sell. Again, these verses are a discussion of a worldwide financial situation in which any and all who would buy or sell must "have" something in order to participate.
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Post by beatlies on Jun 8, 2006 23:42:35 GMT -5
This is the only childhood photo available, said to be of Ann Coulter, from his website with the caption "Ann at Eight." There is no other face in the picture and it could be of any blonde little girl. He has to do better than this. There are no high school or college pictures to be found.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jun 9, 2006 2:33:40 GMT -5
Ann Coulter is certainly enytertaining and she or he is certainly right about Joseph McCarthy being demonised in the last 50 years IMO. As far as I understand, just about all (if not all) those he pointed the finger out really turned out to be communists. And he died a very suspicious "suicide", including a supposed suicide note that wasn't even in his handwriting according to his wife, though my memory may be faulty on that point.
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Post by beatlies on Jun 9, 2006 3:11:32 GMT -5
Infamous demagogue/fascistic scum Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy did not die of suicide, he died of liver disease, from wikipedia:
It was reported that McCarthy suffered from cirrhosis and was frequently hospitalized for alcoholism. Numerous eyewitnesses, including Senate aide George Reedy and journalist Tom Wicker, have reported finding him alarmingly drunk in the Senate. However, conservative activist William A. Rusher, who knew McCarthy personally, claimed that his drinking was moderate in his last years.
He died of acute hepatitis in Bethesda Naval Hospital on May 2, 1957, at the age of 48, and was given a state funeral attended by 70 Senators. St. Matthew's Cathedral performed a Solemn Pontifical Requiem before over a hundred priests and 2,000 others. Thousands of people viewed the body in Washington, and McCarthy was the first senator in 17 years to have funeral services in the Senate chamber. He was buried in St. Mary's Parish Cemetery, Appleton, Wisconsin. More than 30,000 Wisconsinites filed through St. Mary's Church to pay their last respects to him. Three senators ¡X George Malone, William E Jenner, and Herman Welker ¡X had flown from Washington to Appleton on the plane carrying McCarthy's casket. He was survived by his wife Jean, and their adopted daughter, Tierney.
Recently FOX's right wing neo-con liar Bill O'Lielly lied on his TV show that US Army soldiers at Malmedy "shot unarmed SS troops" when in fact the OPPOSITE was true ---it was an infamous massacre by the Nazi SS of over 80 US army soldiers they had just rounded up as prisoners. O'Reilly STILL has refused to apologize for his slander of the Nazi-fighting US troops and de facto sympathy for the Holocast-committing Nazi SS.
In the resulting exposure of O'Reilly it was pointed out that psychopath SEN. JOSEPH MCCARTHY (R-Wisconsin) had originally spread a similar story in the early '50s about supposed massacres of Nazi SS scum by the US Army THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE.
Sen. McCarthy's anti-communist, anti-gay, anti-Semitic-tinged TERRORIZING WITCH HUNTS resulted in thousands upon thousands of Hollywood talents (the original "replacements"), teachers, artists, professors, writers, journalists, scientists, labor leaders etc. losing their jobs, destroyed careers, suffering children, suicides, blacklisting, bankruptcies, police state spying murderous ruin ALL BECAUSE OF THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS, or previous associations with communists in the Depression '30s, and general totalitarian chill throughout America.
It also turns out McCarthy had barely hidden backing from former Nazis and Nazi-sympathizers.
McCarthy is one of the most evil and destructive characters in U.S. political history.
By the way, so what if some of McCarthy's victims actually were communists? So what?
McCarthy was also a confirmed alcoholic who would show up in congress clearly drunk on occasion. He died of liver disease. If there was foul play involved it was from his former backers in the far-right/CIA who knew he had now become too much of a public embarassment/liability they needed to dispose of.
It was when McCarthy began turning on the top levels of the US military. holding his public witch hunts against US Army generals that the establishment presumed the vulgar drunk had gone too fa, and turned the tables on him in the "at long last sir, have you no sense of decency" televised busting.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jun 9, 2006 3:30:07 GMT -5
Hmmm...what I had read about McCarthy had made him out to be some sort of martyred hero, who was deliberately misunderstood by the media, his intentions, words and actions were twisted and exagerrated to the point of slander and libel, and finally he was murdered, silencing him and his exposures of US traitors permanently, and a fake suicide note planted nearby. But if what you say is true then perhaps what I understood of this "conspiracy" against McCarthy isn't true then. Or...maybe its the other way round and all the talk of him being a drunk etc is slander to discredit his work. I don't know at this stage. But that's an interesting theory of yours, that his investigations actually triggered some replacements.
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Post by il ras on Jun 9, 2006 15:55:17 GMT -5
Doc, Hope we are not boring anyone...
"e ton arithmon tou onomatos autou"
means "the number (object of the sentence) of the name"
Autou is an adjective referred to the wor "name" and CANNOT be translated with "his".
In that case the sentence would be "e ton arithmon tou onomatos tou autou" or "e ton arithmon tou autou onomatos "
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Post by Doc on Jun 10, 2006 0:51:23 GMT -5
Doc, Hope we are not boring anyone... "e ton arithmon tou onomatos autou" means "the number (object of the sentece) of the name" Autou is an adjective referred to the wor "name" and CANNOT be translated with "his". In that case the sentence would be "e ton arithmon tou onomatos tou autou" or "e ton arithmon tou autou onomatos " thank you, yes, you know about Greek, I was mistaken about that If a 1st century writer in Greek was intending to tell the reader the idea of "gematria", what phrase would he use? What wording?
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