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Post by beatlies on Dec 10, 2005 4:04:03 GMT -5
On "The Double's Fantasy" album "KiSS KiSS KiSS" (KKK) backwards is supposed to be Yoko speaking "I shot John Lennon." Can someone confirm this? It is quite a find, if true.
If it's there one might ask: why would she insert this message? Either she and her intelligence agency handlers are arrogantly boasting and smirking of their planned assassination (and sending a message to other agents and elites of the plan), or Yoko is being framed and blackmailed into submission so the killers can falsely blame her after the fact, inserting the message without her knowledge.
Here's what wikipedia says in its song reversals page:
"I shot John Lennon" Kiss Kiss Yoko Ono A reversal of "Anata, daiteyo". (Translated: Darling, hug me)
Also on the web: "kiss kiss kiss" backwards is "six six six" ---appropriate for the Fia Pharrow -Rosemary's Baby -Manson false flag hippie killings connection to John and Yoko, and their seventh floor apartment in the Dakota, the same floor and building that is the setting of the Fia --CIA-Polanski movie Rosemary's Baby ...
Some other associations: the KKK threatened the Beatles and John Lennon in 1966; "SS" as in Nazi SS also prominently appears in the title. Both can be said to represent the Anglo-American fascist government that killed Lennon, "white terror," and the reversed words said forwards are in Japanese. The Beatles were also threatened with assassination in 1966 by Japanese right wingers on the Tokyo part of their touring, and Japan was the genocidal "Nazi Germany of the East" and the Axis friend of Hitler. "Kiss Kiss Kiss" also is not too far from "Kill Kill Kill." The words are sung staccato like bullets.
"There's Nazis in the bathroom, just below the stairs"
Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me, love, Just one kiss, kiss will do. Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me, love, Just one kiss, kiss will do.
Why death? Why life? Warm hearts? Cold darts?
Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me, love, I’m bleeding inside.
It’s a long, long story to tell And I can only show you my hell.
Touch, touch, touch, touch me, love, Just one touch, touch will do. Touch, touch, touch, touch me, love, Just one touch, touch will do.
Why me? Why you? Broken mirror? White terror?
Touch, touch, touch, touch me, love, I’m shaking inside.
It’s that faint, faint sound of the childhood bell Ringing in my soul.
Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss me, love, Just one kiss, kiss will do.
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 10, 2005 20:18:44 GMT -5
Certainly shocking.
Like all reversals if you want to hear it (and i do) then you can, however i think if you don't know what it's meant to say then you can't always make it out.
Basically subjective people (living with eyes closed etc) will say it's not clear enough but i reckon it is (as well as all the others)!
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Post by beatlies on Dec 12, 2005 5:34:26 GMT -5
Posted by Plastic Paul on Dec 10, 2005, 8:18pm
Like all reversals if you want to hear it (and i do) then you can, however i think if you don't know what it's meant to say then you can't always make it out.
Not true --the reversal messages are objectively confirmed as being there, and have their own page on wikipedia. The embedding of backwards messages in recordings is common knowledge. Either a backwards message is there, or it isn't, and there's nothing subjective or wishful thinking about "Paul is bloody ... like a bloody limb" on "Blue Jay Way," "Turn me on dead man" on "Revolution 9," "Paul is dead man Miss him Miss him" on "I'm So Tired" etc.
Basically subjective people (living with eyes closed etc) will say it's not clear enough but i reckon it is (as well as all the others)!
Provided it is played at an appropriate volume only people who are lying (or, rarely, people with hearing damage) will say it's not clear enough; it's objectively there, so let's not confuse the issue.
So is "I shot John Lennon" a reverse message in the psychotic, sinister "Kiss Kiss Kiss" or not? I still haven't heard a backwards audio of the song.
"It’s that faint, faint sound of the childhood bell Ringing in my soul."
The musical accompaniment to Yoko's vocals of these lines sounds like a faint synthesizer imitation of a police siren, similar to the opening of "I am the Walrus."
Yoko spent part of her childhood in Imperial Japan during World War II, and had to endure heavy American bombing raids that forced her to leave Tokyo and roam the countryside for safety. Could the "sound" also be an air raid siren?
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Post by beatlies on Dec 12, 2005 7:30:10 GMT -5
Here it is: jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm"Kiss Kiss Kiss" is on the list, along with "Imagine" and "I'm So Tired." "I shot John Lennon" seems to be there, whispered with no other sounds. He only shows a snippet ---can someone show a reversal of the whole song in case there are other hidden messages to which a "Paul was Replaced" investogator may be especially attuned ?
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Post by JoJo on Dec 13, 2005 19:15:28 GMT -5
Subliminals, that's one of those issues that the common strategy seems to be deny, deny it exists, or if one must admit they are there, deny they have any influence on the viewer/listener. Wilson Bryan Key has written extensively on the subject, discussing and demonstrating the methods used by advertisers for example. I have all of his books on the subject, but here are a few pages from another book, "The Secret Sales Pitch", by August Bullock, where he talks a bit about audio subliminals. In other words, regarding anything that can be comprehended as anything other than nonsense when played backwards, the author is saying it must be there deliberately. Of course any messages the Beatles may have inserted are treated as a joke/having fun.. (sounds familiar) Odd, because the theme of the entire book is that subliminals are everywhere you look.. As usual, no one will touch this one with a ten foot pole. A little bit more about audio below, and an example of how a book cover can have more impact with a simple subliminal. You see..if you don't understand that meaning can be imparted to your subconscious with images only your subconscious can understand, you are easily manipulated. The purpose for advertisers is simple, if something makes the sale and it works, it's used, they ask NO questions as to why. There will be a very small minority who will perceive consciously, but that is not important to them, as long as most don't "dig it", then they are not concerned. (and if you call them on it, they say you are reading to much into it, you must have a dirty mind, etc) Hey, many of the images in this book are way too shocking to post here. Now, as to the Beatles.. were they aware of this, would they not see it as a way of "flying under the radar? Would they not also predict it would meet with dismissal? But that some would indeed dig it?
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Post by lili on Dec 15, 2005 14:46:29 GMT -5
Has anyone ever listened to Yucko's music & heard her say " I shot/killed John Lennon" in a subliminal or backward message ? Enquiring minds want to know
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 16, 2005 22:00:19 GMT -5
What about that hideous "Don't Worry, Mummy's only looking for her hand in the snow"..it was the b side of one of John's early solo singles, I remember my sis had it...but I don't know if it was "Cold Turkey" or "Give Peace A Chance" or "InstantKarma"
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Post by beatlies on Dec 17, 2005 4:49:21 GMT -5
Has anyone ever listened to Yucko's music & heard her say " I shot/killed John Lennon" in a subliminal or backward message ? Enquiring minds want to know Yes ---see above. I posted the link. Here it is again: [ftp]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/ftp] YOU HEAR "I SHOT JOHN LENNON" !!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe "I hot ohn ennon" ... Dallas we have a problem .......
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Post by beatlies on Dec 20, 2005 9:39:47 GMT -5
Backwards messages inserted into recordings can have different purposes: a subliminal goal intended to secretly influence the listener subconsciusly into acting, thinking or feeling a certain way (has it been scientifically established that backwards subliminal audios actually work and if so to what degree?)
or to send a secret message to target listeners such as "Weird Al" Yankovich's "Nature Trail to Hell" reverse message "SATAN EATS CHEEZ WHIZ" (see the link) ...
[ftp]http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm[/ftp]
or possibly the aim of Yoko Ono's "I SHOT JOHN LENNON" being an announcement to her fellow U.S/U.K. intelligence assassins and watchers that the CIA plan was proceeding, or an attempt to falsely set her up for the murder and keep her quiet through this blackmail plant.
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Post by JoJo on Dec 20, 2005 17:21:00 GMT -5
In the pages I posted above, the author suggests backwards speech is not likely to be perceived subconsciously, simply because evolution would not require it as a survival skill for example. However, he could be wrong, or perhaps if you hear enough of it, you do learn on the subconscious level to comprehend the meaning of backwards speech. Here is the section from appendix 2 to which he referred: So there you have it, a pretty simple recipe for testing perception of backwards speech, heck, a first year psychology student could do this one.. I think it's likely that some of us can tell when we are hearing backwards speech, especially if you listen to enough Beatles music. (I know I can) Also, backwards played music is blatantly obvious. I could think of an addendum to the experiment above, if you have a test subject that reacts strongly to sub audible disturbing messages, you could try playing reversed speech from suspect songs forward, and see how much they make the dials jump..
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 21, 2006 15:51:56 GMT -5
To me, it sounds more like "I've got John Lennon" than "I shot John Lennon. This would confirm the forward speech "Anata, daiteyo" or "Darling, hug me".
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Post by Rubber Soul on Feb 8, 2014 7:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by whammo on Feb 13, 2014 19:12:53 GMT -5
Wilson Bryan Key is the man whose books got me thinking 'outside the box'. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that Aleister Crowley told his followers to listen to records backwards, so I see the back masking as simply a nod in his direction, especially Page's "Stairway to Heaven". Also, the Strawberry Fields Forever back mask is crystal clear to me: "We'll sing it man, we be reverse". For me not one iota of doubt that was intentional, none.
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Post by linus on Feb 13, 2014 19:44:26 GMT -5
Interesting that Crowley said; Let him practice speaking Backwards. . . Instead of saying “I am he” let him say “eh ma I” I am he, backwards sounds a lot like EMI On the Winged Beetle, Paul says in an interview that William S. Burroughs taught him to play phonographs backwards, which inspired the recording of Rain. Plus, there's the part in Yellow Submarine when they find Paul, and as he walks out into the hallway, John says something that is reversed. When played backwards it's clearly "Was that Paul?" (much like the speaking in the Lodge in Twin Peaks). And remember, the Beatles weren't part of the making of the Yellow Submarine film.
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