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Post by apollocvermouth on Nov 20, 2004 10:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Nov 20, 2004 11:11:23 GMT -5
Facinating. Thought I'd host it so it could be put here. Three "beetles" is an obvious one for starters.. AMORE SOLUM OPUS EST pretty much translates to "all you need is love" unless I'm mistaken.
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Post by Girl on Nov 20, 2004 11:15:25 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by JoJo on Nov 20, 2004 11:27:56 GMT -5
Sorry, I should give a big thanks to Apollo for posting this! Oh, the guitar is sure a strange one, five strings? And the edges look like pieces of a puzzle. (well that it is for sure..) Edit: A look through the Encyclopedia Brittanica tells me that understanding a coat of arms is not real easy, yikes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2004 13:51:35 GMT -5
the quilted mouth reminds me of of a heart on a fencing costume.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Nov 20, 2004 13:52:28 GMT -5
I thought that if Paul were dead Martin wouldn't be in on it. Maybe it is just that 3 beetles would fit on the shield.....
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Post by revolver on Nov 20, 2004 14:01:27 GMT -5
I thought that if Paul were dead Martin wouldn't be in on it. That seems a bit unlikely Jerri. He probably spent more time with them than anyone else outside their inner circle. He would certainly have noticed the change in musical styles if not the physical differences.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 20, 2004 16:20:15 GMT -5
Uh yeah, I'd say Big GM's help would kinda be needed..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2004 17:00:57 GMT -5
FOR GOD AND THE EMPIRE
say no more.......
Remember a zebra never changes its stripes !
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Post by Doc on Nov 21, 2004 0:43:04 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Nov 21, 2004 0:50:30 GMT -5
OK my room mate saw this on first look, as did I, with no prompting. Does it appear to anyone there that the seriffed -bunting -filligree- whatever looks like a pair of arms flipping a pair of birds?
Not exactly an elegant statement....but sometimes there's no elegance to the truth........
..."explicit references..to the recording industry..in general...."
I down't knowe.
Kaen ye tuhll mae?
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Post by eyeonthetruth on Nov 21, 2004 1:05:12 GMT -5
OK my room mate saw this on first look, as did I, with no prompting. Does it appear to anyone there that the seriffed -bunting -filligree- whatever looks like a pair of arms flipping a pair of birds? Not exactly an elegant statement....but sometimes there's no elegance to the truth........ ..."explicit references..to the recording industry..in general...." I down't knowe. Kaen ye tuhll mae? hah wow. thats actually the first thing i saw when i looked at it. i was gonna post about it too. Reminds me of an artist ive been listening to a bunch of, Kansas city rapper Tech N9ne. He offered his latest album downloadable for free on his website, as part of his F*** THE INDUSTRY campaign. k sorry, off topic....but yes...i'd have to agree with you sir.
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Post by Girl on Nov 21, 2004 7:01:02 GMT -5
This is awesome.... I think it belongs in the "clues" section...
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Post by ecenzo1 on Nov 21, 2004 22:56:47 GMT -5
Alright gang, here goes. I don't have a ready explanation, but something struck me about the "three beetles" in the shield. Two are separated by a barrier (chasm, gulf, hinderance of some sort. I.E. death) and the third beetle is larger than the other two. Perhaps a reference to Paul who was more a creative kindered spirit to GM than John was. ( I'm NOT getting into the fray over who was the most talented, Paul or John. That's an matter of opinion and I'm NOT going to open that can of worms now. Rather it seems GM's musical style and taste was more akin to Paul's rather than John's) I wouldn't suprise me in the least if it's GM's way of letting us know who his favorite was. Just an opinion...
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Post by revolver on Nov 21, 2004 23:16:08 GMT -5
Maybe the recorder is a play on words - GM was a "recorder" of music. The black lines inside the curved waves could also represent grooves in a record. Or the 5 lines could be the 4 Beatles + GM, sometimes called the "fifth Beatle".
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Post by SimMHoward on Nov 22, 2004 13:04:06 GMT -5
OK, its been a long time since I did this, so forgive me, the open visor on the helm indicates his knighthood. Of course his MBE is hung on the shield of arms, I don't recognize the second medal. The five lines actually get no mention when describing the shield, and are actually only a decoration to cover the space in the ordinary. The filigree attached to the helm actually is very common in style and most likely is not used to indicate "flipping the bird". I'll let you know more as I come up with it.
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Post by SimMHoward on Nov 22, 2004 13:06:46 GMT -5
One important thing I forgot. If you order a coat of arms, you don't get to make it. You tell an artist what you want on it, and he works with you to produce it as close as he can to right, but at the same time adhering to the rules of heraldry and keeping the coat of arms unique.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 22, 2004 16:29:59 GMT -5
Oh, the guitar is sure a strange one, five strings? And the edges look like pieces of a puzzle. (well that it is for sure..) Guitar with five strings? No. It's a music staff. The guy was a trained musician. Three beetles because there are three corners to the shield.
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Post by SimMHoward on Nov 22, 2004 17:46:44 GMT -5
the three beetles isn't because of the number of corners, I would guess that three was chosen for another reason, most likely by the artist rather than GM.
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Post by apollocvermouth on Nov 24, 2004 20:01:25 GMT -5
Some points to ponder...
The "bird", a Martin, holds the recorder in "bend sinister." This being an old sign of illegitimacy. Sir George either feels like a "bastard", or feels he worked with some "bastards."
The white area betwixt the three beetles is called a "fess nebuly." It is thought to represent either "clouds' or "Heaven." The lines contained within are called "barrulets" and may represent the muusical staff. If so, the absent notes may speak volumes.
Lastly, the zebra marches from right to left holding an "Abbot"s crozier."
Can you think of any other "zebra crossings" this may refer too?
Apollo
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Post by JoJo on Nov 24, 2004 20:37:32 GMT -5
The "bird", a Martin, holds the recorder in "bend sinister." This being an old sign of illegitimacy. Sir George either feels like a "bastard", or feels he worked with some "bastards." I vote for feels like one, perhaps it's a way of unloading his guilt. "Yes I took part in this, and yes, this is how I feel about/see myself.." It's not the literal meaning, although I have no idea. Probably not, right? Sinister is another way of literally saying left, and the recorder is on the left side. But well aquainted with the means of conveying meaning? Sir George? Oh yeah! Oh well yes of course, and I like this perspective of it..
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Post by Doc on Nov 24, 2004 21:27:48 GMT -5
"....Once there was a way, to get back home again..."
Isn't there still a way?
What stands in the way?
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 24, 2004 21:38:07 GMT -5
"....Once there was a way, to get back home again..." Isn't there still a way? What stands in the way? "to get back homeward"
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Post by Doc on Nov 24, 2004 22:33:31 GMT -5
www.ngw.nl/int/dld/r/reinfeld.htmThe abbot's crozier represents the monastary. "Abbey" Road. An abbey is a monastery. Flaming--yes, it's "homeward", sorry, I have "synonym memory". I have been refering to the song "Grown-Up Cristmas List" all week as "Adult Christmas Wish", which, I see now, is a whole 'nuther horse of a color that's different. From the average horse.....color.....thereof..........I mean, well, ............ you know what I mean. Does my word error invalidate my question? But, thank GOD I wasn't writing the lyrics for this song. I would have come up with: "At one time there existed methods, For the returning of the condition of things central to the respective lives discussed here to reinstate to their previous order." Try to make THAT fit into the melody.........
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Post by Girl on Nov 25, 2004 8:13:00 GMT -5
Here's some more food for thought... Look at this... Black & white, recorder, even a "staff" hmmmm...
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