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Post by pennylane on Jul 6, 2005 1:37:10 GMT -5
I don't buy into the murder theory either. There is absolutely nothing to support that theory.
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Post by -Wings- on Jul 6, 2005 1:43:43 GMT -5
The murderer was... Brian Epstein, at Abbey Road, with the egg trophy!
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Post by pennylane on Jul 6, 2005 1:56:09 GMT -5
ooooh clue
My guess is that it was Cynthia Lennon, in Jane's basement, with a marshmallow pie. It all fits!
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 6, 2005 8:02:15 GMT -5
None of this (third-hand?) information is really new, though. Except the bit about the bandaged lookalike in the papers. Someone said they were collecting questions... mine would be, do you have a copy of any such news clippings?
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Post by pennylane on Jul 6, 2005 9:03:55 GMT -5
I think the most important part of this.. is that this source remembers this as it happened! It's simple, plausible and doesn't involve cryptic posts and 100000000 paged secret documents.
Anyway back to topic...
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 7, 2005 8:27:08 GMT -5
There is a possibility that the car accident could have been 'manipulated'. Isn't there a reference to that in a Beatle cartoon? The license plate on the car Paul was driving said "Get Him". JoJo, do you have that still?
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Post by pennylane on Jul 7, 2005 8:50:30 GMT -5
I've seen that still.. and yes there is always a possibility, but when you weigh up the 400+ clues, there is nothing there to substantiate foul play that I have picked up on anyway. The waters are murky indeed. But with breakthroughs like the story on this thread.. I'm sure if we all think collectively and try not to get sidetracked by Paulette and the Illuminati, we may actually get somewhere
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Post by -Wings- on Jul 10, 2005 2:47:35 GMT -5
From what I had gathered from studying the various clues, Paul had his accident and made phone contact with Ringo or someone else, but then he wasn't heard from after that, which could imply foul play. It's just an idea though, mostly from Don't Pass Me By, and I don't think one song should be looked at as literal truth.
I think the one thing we can agree on though is that there was a car accident out in the middle of nowhere with Paul's car being the only one (maybe he was forced off the road by another car, hence the Beatle cartoon).
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Post by pennylane on Jul 13, 2005 8:36:30 GMT -5
I should re-phrase what I mean by foul play ie; illuminati, space aliens, shape-shifting hedgehogs, satans evil plan etc... that's what I don't buy!
Being forced of the road.. is a possibility, whether it was on purpose or not is something I don't think we will ever know.
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Post by xpt626 on Jul 13, 2005 9:29:36 GMT -5
...foul play ie; illuminati, space aliens, shape-shifting hedgehogs, satans evil plan etc... that's what I don't buy! ditto. ;D
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Post by Goldfinger on Jul 14, 2005 11:10:36 GMT -5
**the foolishness below was written by our old know-it-all friend, TheBug** ***************************************** Some comments about their new "story." First, as I have stated before, I knew someone from Liverpool who actually knew and grew up with Paul McCartney. She said the whole PID thing is rubbish. Second, this whole concept of the Crown deciding to replace Paul due to the "money" really makes me laugh. Were the Beatles the entire British economy? Did those earnings go to the royal family? Let us take a look. These are all estimates, but it will give an idea of what was going on. For 2001, the GDP of the United Kingdom was $1,782,000,000,000. That's 1.8 trillion. Using the GDP deflator back to 1966, that comes to a GDP of $399,274,047,187. According to court records, from June 1962 through December 1968, the Beatles earned 7,864,126 pounds. Using the exchange rate at November 1967, that converts to $18,952,544. Not a bad sum. I would take it. Converting that to a yearly figure you come up with $2,878,867, which means that the 1966 earnings for the Beatles accounted for .00072% of GDP for the United Kingdom. That's 7 ten thousandths of one percent. Hardly material to the British economy. I'm sure the royal family made much more than that on investment income in 1966. In addition, the tax revenues on those earnings do not go into the royal family's bank account. Some things to remember. While $18 million is a lot to you and me, it pales in comparison to the earnings over the same period of other Britsh institutions such as BP, Britsh Airways, Rolls Royce and other large companies. In addition, there were many in Britain who had much higher incomes and were worth quite a bit more. Remember we are looking at what they were worth at September 1966. The $18 million figure includes earnings for 1967 and 1968. As of 09/1966, the Beatles were just not worth that much financially in relation to the rest of the economy, and with their decision to stop touring, the Beatles as a going concern was in doubt anyway. I also believe that it is foolish to assume that if Paul had died, that the earnings from the Beatles would have stopped. They could have replaced Paul publicly and kept going. Sales may have slipped, but mabey not. The Beatles broke up in 1970 and John died in 1980, but the Beatles still managed a few years ago to be the top selling group for the year. So even with John and George dead and the group disbanded, they are still making a great deal of money. ***************************************
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 14, 2005 13:30:48 GMT -5
Some comments about their new "story."
Who is they?
First, as I have stated before, I knew someone from Liverpool who actually knew and grew up with Paul McCartney. She said the whole PID thing is rubbish.
Fantastic. I've known a number of people close to media/political figures who will swear the scandal du jour entangling their saintly friends is "rubbish." It's hearsay and means next to nothing.
These are all estimates, but it will give an idea of what was going on. For 2001, the GDP of the United Kingdom was $1,782,000,000,000. That's 1.8 trillion. Using the GDP deflator back to 1966, that comes to a GDP of $399,274,047,187.
The recorded UK GDP for 1966 is about 39 biliion pounds. Taxes accounted for about 30% of GDP or about 12 billion.
According to court records, from June 1962 through December 1968, the Beatles earned 7,864,126 pounds.
Where did you see that? I've seen another estimate that their earnings from 62 to 67 were 25 million lbs.
So figure 5mill/yr. As long we're estimating, figure Epstein and other hangers-on were getting a total of just as much. Figure the record company was getting just as much as all that. And figure spinoffs and licensing were making as much ast that. And then recall the tax rate was 9% (one of you 19 for me).
5,000,000 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 19 = 795 million lbs or about 7% of Her Majesty's tax income.
These are all rather conservative figures.
I'd point out the non-pecuniary variables on the Crown's utility curve, but the administrators of this forum don't like discussion of politics, particulalry Illuminati politics, and we're pushing it with this discussion as it is. (Among other things, don't forget the Beatles were the vanguard and linchpin of the British Invasion, but not the entirety of it.)
the 1966 earnings for the Beatles accounted for .00072% of GDP for the United Kingdom.
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Post by revolver on Jul 14, 2005 15:06:26 GMT -5
This article deserves another repost: title of this article from Teen Talk, March 1965: Are The Beatles Saving Their Country?
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Post by missvagabond on Jul 14, 2005 17:27:15 GMT -5
This article deserves another repost: title of this article from Teen Talk, March 1965: Are The Beatles Saving Their Country?That's an amazing article. I had no idea that the Beatles $$$$$ was being watched that closely! I just figured their record company collected the $ and the record stores would take their share. Then with whatever was left over after taxes, the Beatles would get royalties. This reads totally like a full-time National operation. It seems like everybody in the British government was obsessed with how the Beatles were doing, financially speaking. Money talk$, I guess.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 14, 2005 17:47:45 GMT -5
The money quote:
"They don't believe in quitting while they're ahead. Just the opposite, when you got a good thing going, don't knock it."
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Post by beatlies on Jul 15, 2005 7:15:06 GMT -5
So in September 1966 James Paul McCartney and Brian Epstein disappeared at about the same time and were replaced with imposters, in public ,within several months, right?
That is undeniable and has already been scientifically proven.
The question is then: who could have the power to do such a thing and then get the media, universities, and governments of various nations, and their law enforcement/secret police agencies to go along with such an obvious fraud?
Let's say Paul "accidentally" died or was severely injured in a car accident and that Brian Epstein just coincidentally had a similar fatal accident around the same time. Now the surviving Beatles and their business associates decide to pull a fast one and hire lookalikes to keep the group going. No CIA, MI6, MI5, military/government involvement of course. Just a close circle of conspirators.
How long would such a hoax last? Maybe at most say about two weeks. Then the truth hits the tabloids, fanzines, TV and press and the Beatles become the world's laughingstocks, become ruined and are placed under criminal investigation.
Logically the only way the McCartney / Epstein abductions/murders/mutilations could have been committed and covered up for FOUR DECADES is through massive CIA and government/corporate state control and suppression of the news media, music and entertainment industry. And this is exactly what is going on. Start with physical basics of Paul McCartney's round head and Brian's face and work from there --they instaled imposters in their places to deceive the public ---the establishemnt is lying about it and actively disinforming and doctoring evidence, therefore ---the music industry and media is shadow government controlled. That's the frightening inescapable reality Q.E.D.
That is the real, most important message of the Beatles, and why John and George struggled to produce the clues matrix.
"He could be a soldier man / killing gooks in Vietnam/ He could be the CIA/ selling dope and making hay" --John Lennon "John Sinclair" 1972
"To commit the perfect crime one doesn't have to be a master criminal, just in charge of the investigation [and media coverage] that follows."
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Post by pennylane on Jul 15, 2005 7:35:29 GMT -5
So in September 1966 James Paul McCartney and Brian Epstein disappeared at about the same time and were replaced with imposters, in public ,within several months, right? Paul yes.. as for Brian, I personally don't think he looked any different. Keeping the death of Brian secret really serves no purpose..I'm mean c'mon, he was hardly doing the Beatles any favours money wise. As far as I'm concerned Brian was Brian and he accidently (or not) topped himself in 67. That is undeniable and has already been scientifically proven. Uh no.. nothing of the sort has ever been scientifically proven. The question is then: who could have the power to do such a thing and then get the media, universities, and governments of various nations, and their law enforcement/secret police agencies to go along with such an obvious fraud? I don't think it went that far! It was controlled from the get go. Who? Her Majesty.
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Post by beatlies on Jul 15, 2005 7:48:10 GMT -5
From what I've seen the post Sep. 1966 photos of Brian look quite different, but there definitely should be more photos and information on the Brian Epstein replacement than there is currently.
"I am the Walrus" backwards --that famous clue I hear a freak chorus chanting "ha ha Paul is [or Paulie's] dead ha ha EPPIE's dead" --the only Brian Epstein clue on the recordings that I know of !
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Post by -Wings- on Jul 15, 2005 13:48:35 GMT -5
I think the only reason Brian was ever dragged into this was because of the way he looked at the "All You Need is Love" broadcast (the only footage of the so-called imposter Brian we've ever seen) and the little strip of pictures on the White Album poster that has one checked and the other x'ed through.
Personally, while I think he does look a little different at All You Need is Love, there's not enough good pictures to go by, unlike Paul and Bill. He could have just been run-down that day.
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Post by brighteyes on Jul 15, 2005 16:17:12 GMT -5
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I am the voice of James Faul McCartney. :o
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Post by Imgonnaopenmymind on Jul 17, 2005 12:18:22 GMT -5
In the last few weeks before Brian died, when he was lucid, he and Paul went over an outline for MMT, and he said things like Ringo would need to have more here, perhaps John could do this bit, etc. It wasn't entirely unplanned. Perhaps it was being done a lot earlier than we know. Or it could be auditions.
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lah' mah means "Light" in Hawaiian.May we bring "Light" to what really happened to JPM.
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Post by lah' mah on Jul 19, 2005 16:45:47 GMT -5
Where I live, you can go to the public library,and you can look up all the old newspapers. on optical machines. Has anyone that lives in England thought about going to a local library in any of these towns and look up the news for the time period in question?
If there is a cover-up there might not be any news of the accident, or the contests etc, but perhaps there is, and no one has taken the time to to really just burn up some shoe leather and look for it.
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Post by beatlies on Jul 19, 2005 22:25:16 GMT -5
Just sticking to what I would say has already been scientifically verified, and what most, or nearly all people here would agree upon, we have the following facts thus far:
1) James Paul McCartney disappeared from public sight in September 1966 to this day. He was replaced by one or more imposters to this day.
2) Brian Epstein also disappeared at this time and there were later conflicting, vague press mentions of his "poor health." He was officially said to have died in 1967 after a man who apparently was his imposter appeared as Brian in public. The Beatles appeared not-very-emotional in their response to the fake Brian's fake death.
3) Bulgaria-to-France Cold War Trophy Sylvie Vartan, of the defecting Vartan family, a pretty, celebrity singer who toured with the Beatles, disappeared and was replaced with an imposter. That imposter was in turn replaced with another imposter, who looks like a transgendered male. Sylvie Vartan disappeared and was replaced with an imposter in public before Paul McCartney disappeared.
4) One of the world's top celebrities, singer and Hollywood idol Doris Day (real name Kappelhoff)disappeared and was replaced with an imposter in 1956. There appear to be other subsequent imposters of Doris Day, as with Sylvie Vartan. Like Vartan, Doris Day had tremendous "soft power" value in the Cold War as an attractive, beloved icon of the USA / "the West" (in Sylvie's case, France).
The real Doris Day's son (with Al Jordan), who took the name Terry Melcher, became a key writer and producer with the Beach Boys, and became a guide to Charles Manson, lending him his credit card to make purchases, getting him to record a Beach Boys B-side, and arranging for the use by Manson of a Doris Day house, where Manson killings were perpetrated. Melcher also became a producer at Apple with the BEATLES before the Manson attacks. The person currently playing Doris Day was just rewarded with a "Presidential Medal of Freedom" this year by Bush.
---Of course we could go on and on but it's worth re-stating the obvious at this point: (almost) everyone agrees with all of the above, right? There has to be agreement on the basic facts before we look at the many other clues and begin to draw conclusions.
I think the TKIN document has been helpful, but it has errors and keeps being modified. One error that hasn't been mentioned is the Hindu deity statue on the album cover of Sgt. Pepper. That is the goddess Lakshmi who is the goddess of material and spiritual wealth. The document states otherwise. It should be noted that her depiction looks somewhat like a female Paul.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jul 19, 2005 23:49:57 GMT -5
One error that hasn't been mentioned is the Hindu deity statue on the album cover of Sgt. Pepper. That is the goddess Lakshmi who is the goddess of material and spiritual wealth. Lakshmi is plausible, though I wouldn't rule out a represention as Red Tara either.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 20, 2005 0:02:07 GMT -5
I only disagree with a few minor points. We don't have enough data to conclude that Sylvie Vartan *disappeared* before about the time JPM did in September 1966. In fact textual and circumstantial evidence indicates it was the same series of events that precipitated the disappearance of JPM, SV and BE. We do know that someone else posed as her on some record sleeves before that time. But Keith Richards posed as George Harrison in some of the "butcher" photos in early/mid 66, including the photo on the record sleeve that was recalled at great cost within 24 hours. Harrison hadn't disappeared. (The poster "Valis" also thinks JPM may have used a (non"Faul") double in some pre-9/66 promo films.) These identity games seem to have started after the Beatles stayed in "the DORIS DAY house" (probably Cielo Drive) in L.A. and a Melcher/DAY hotel in San Fran at the end of their 1965 tour. Much of Rubber Soul, recorded a few weeks after this experience ("I'm Looking Through You" and "You Won't See Me.") speaks to this. (Donovan's Dec65 "Sunshine Superman" -- written and originally titled for John and Paul -- indicated they intended to use "every trick in the book" to "blow your little mind.") I also don't have any reason to believe there were more than two DORIS DAYs, at least only 2 -- a) Kappelhoff and b) the woman who was "Eunice" to Rock Hudson and "Sis" to Terry Melcher -- who played the role for any protracted amount of time. I'm also pretty sure the eight-armed statue pointing to both "Pauls" on the Pepper cover is the Indian Goddess Kali. (The object of worship in the film "Help,!" working title "Eight Arms to Hold You.") I covered much of this here .
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