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Post by hunterd on Oct 25, 2005 6:51:54 GMT -5
I've sent the following messahe to all members and agents from "Revolution 9" and "60IF" forums. Sun King has banned me, though I don't know the reason. If you want some truth, I can only offer you some answers:
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Truth:
James Paul McCartney was replaced in late 1966. HE WAS NOT DEAD. Some of you have suggested the possible reasons, but never dared to go beyond. I won't say why, because that would mean saying names, and that would mean they would know it was me who told you.
I still don't understand how on earth you got the name of Freddie Williamson. Very few of us knew. I can only think of one person doing that, and I only hope he is still well.
By the end of the seventies John was planning to come back with Paul as a duo. The same people who decided Paul's replacement didn't want the truth to be revealed, and killed him. Paul's substitute has nothing to do with those plans. He was told from the very start the real Paul had died.
A few years after John's murder, Paul died. As some kind of joke they buried him in a false grave at Zonnebeke, under the name Sgt. William James McCartney, and with false dates. They though it was funny. I think they're sick.
False:
The people who knew the real name of Paul's substitue are dead. Except from him, no one knows. And I doubt he stills remembers it. He was introduced to the rest of the Beatles as just "William".
Brian was never substituted, he was just killed. No overdose. No accident.
Neil Aspinall is no replacement. He knows the whole story, but just accepted it, as Ringo.
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I wish I could prove what I say. I'll try to follow your progress and post again in the future. I'll be moving on for some time. Please don't surrender. Give the world some truth !!
See ya.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 25, 2005 7:28:30 GMT -5
James Paul McCartney was replaced in late 1966. HE WAS NOT DEAD. Some of you have suggested the possible reasons, but never dared to go beyond. I won't say why, because that would mean saying names, and that would mean they would know it was me who told you. Surprise surprise
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 25, 2005 14:57:44 GMT -5
All I'll say is that ever since Chaos and Creation and the possible hidden meanings behind every song on it, I've wondered if Paul didn't really die in '66 but was replaced, with his death given as a cover story for those who were supposedly in the know.
We're a little more open minded to alternate theories here than those other PID/PWR forums, but we're also a little burned out on vague postings like this. Welcome, and it would be delightful to have an actual discourse with you here, if you'd be willing.
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Post by JoJo on Oct 25, 2005 15:36:48 GMT -5
I guess further details are against the rules or something..
But no matter, do whatever it is you have to do, and welcome!
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Post by iknowstuff on Oct 26, 2005 2:31:09 GMT -5
This begs the questions why replace him if he was still alive and why didn't Paul keep writing songs for them as a "ghost" writer, as it were? And why so many PAUL IS DEAD clues on the albums, not PAUL WAS REPLACED clues. The drumkit doesn't say "HE REPLACED", it says "HE DIE".
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 26, 2005 5:00:07 GMT -5
IF that were the case, then I would think it would be close to the same scenerio. Same car accident, but instead of it killing him, he suffers serious injury & head trauma. Something serious enough would take him out of the game for a long time..... if not permanently. Therefore he'd be dead artisticly.
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Post by Doc on Oct 26, 2005 12:21:57 GMT -5
Well in that case, don't forgot, BEATLESo or BE AT LESO, leso is an juridic word and means damage injury. Well, BINGO McCIII! I hadn't yet located the legal or juridic use of it, but, from this article here: muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/research_in_african_literatures/v031/31.4beck.html&session=6549724comes this short quote: Excerpt The leso, 1 a wrap cloth, is an object of everyday use on which proverbial art is visually represented in writing. It serves as a means of equivocal interpersonal communication (see Bavelas et al.), which is achieved by playing on processes of (communicative and semiotic) representation. With this communication the participants have a means to transgress culturally defined boundaries of power and powerlessness. In other words, the cloth lends them a voice of resistance. The leso constitutes a communicative genre, i.e., it is a conventionalized form of communication that is designed to be used within a certain kind of situation as the best possibility for reaching one's goals (see Luckmann). Such communicative genres can be found all over Africa. Some of them are quite well known, for instance the communicative use of tissue-wax/wax-prints (another wrap cloth) in various countries of Western and Central Africa (see Domowitz; Bellow; Toure; Roth; Ikome and Madidi-Mazunze). Pot lids are used in a similar way in Angola by the Woyo people, a practice that is historically accounted for but seems to be extinct (see McGuire). Also, the communicative use of animal names among the Dciriku of Namibia (see Möhlig) has aspects of equivocal communication. 2 Compared to the these examples, where an object is associated with proverbs or proverb-like texts, the leso appears as a special case. We could say that because the proverbs on the leso are explicitely represented in writing, the verbal has a purely symbolic relationship to its visual representation, 3 while in the other cases the verbal is iconically represented on the object. 4 In the example of tissu wax/wax prints, women give cloths proverb-names according to the patterns printed on them. In her article "Wearing proverbs," Susan Domowitz recounts an incident of... and from this article about foreign words absorbed into Swahili: bama.ua.edu/~clc/swahili/swahili_history.htmwe have this: The Swahili language also absorbed words from the Portuguese who controlled the Swahili coastal towns (c. 1500-1700AD). Some of the words that the Swahili language absorbed from the Portuguese include "leso" (handkerchief), "meza" (table), "gereza" (prison), "pesa" ('peso', money), etc. Swahili bull-fighting, still popular on the Pemba island, is also a Portuguese legacy from that period. The Swahili language also borrowed some words from languages of the later colonial powers on the East African coast - English (British) and German. Swahilized English words include "baiskeli" (bicycle), "basi" (bus), "penseli" (pencil), "mashine" (machine), "koti" (coat), etc. The Swahilized German words include "shule" for school and "hela" for a German coin. So, we know that a "leso" is also Portuguese for "HANDKERCHIEF", which I suspect is a code or trigger word for this whole thing. Also, I think we have always seen the symbolism in the Sgt. Pepper Album cover. Folks, we have been studying, without knowing it, a map, a guidepost, a "key" if you will, to a SEMIOTIC treasure map. For "Semiotics for beginners", please go here: www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/semiotic.htmlespecially these pages: www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem08.html and: www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem08c.htmlalso this: pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SEMIOTER.htmlI googled for: www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=semiotic&btnG=SearchRemember, whoever figured all this out at the get-go didn;t have google at their finger-tips. But, back to "handkerchief"........ "Wednesday morning at five o'clock as the day begins Silently closing her bedroom door Leaving the note that she hoped would say more She goes downstairs to the kitchen clutching her hankerchief Quietly turning the backdoor key Stepping outside she is free." Are we free, now, to "step inside"? Do I Consider myself I free to be so corny after I make a post filled with so many interesting llinks? Yes! Reading the links will do all the real work here. Now, in order to strengthen our major post-hypnotic suggestion, I re-inforce. .....you are growing sleepy. When I count to ten you will slip down into a nice, but non-vulnerable, trance. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. Good. Hope you snoring. Now concentrate: HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF HANDKERCHIEF At the inverse count from 10 you will awaken, refreshed, unharmed and happy, and every time you see or hear the word "handkerchief", you will figure out another Beatlism. Ready? 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. Great. We'll get our subcnscious minds working on this, and like Sherlock Holmes, before long, it'll all be elementary, Penguins!
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Post by JoJo on Oct 26, 2005 16:01:12 GMT -5
www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/semiotic.htmlAmazing stuff, and a lot of reading, but worthwhile, I'll set aside some time. I don't know what to make of this "deep layer" interpretation, it could be right. For this to be so, our reality, or what we term reality, must always be on a mission to explain itself, or not be just a random series of unrelated events. Some call this "The matrix revealing itself". I dunno, but an interpretation of "Leso" meaning "buried at Leso" as some have theorised, would be some kind of deliberate planning. The above, which we may be taking a stab at here, is a whole 'nother thing, right? It's surely on the right track, and Lennon's glass onion is all about this. He himself may not have been able to fully grasp it, perhaps he was looking for help? Heh, well who knows? Maybe it's not so far away?
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Post by jerriwillmore on Oct 27, 2005 12:08:00 GMT -5
I've always thought that if Paul was replaced he didn't die, he is probably in Bora Bora or someplace like that, will post on that subject soon.
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Post by jpm4266 on Oct 28, 2005 5:47:28 GMT -5
I've sent the following messahe to all members and agents from "Revolution 9" and "60IF" forums. Sun King has banned me, though I don't know the reason. All that starts with a BIG LIE. The post mentioned appeared on the forum "Revolution 9". Here is the link: 1966.proboards40.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1130164681&page=1Sun King or Beatle Paul (Well Here's Another Clue For You All) NEVER HAD the admin powers to ban anyone there. Trolls are always self-injurers. IF that were the case, then I would think it would be close to the same scenerio. Same car accident, but instead of it killing him, he suffers serious injury & head trauma. Something serious enough would take him out of the game for a long time..... if not permanently. Therefore he'd be dead artisticly. That's my opinion too. No more Beatle Paul as we knew him. "The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still, But nobody wants to know him, They can see that he's just a fool"Like the Iron Mask ... Dig It!
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Post by Doc on Oct 28, 2005 16:52:28 GMT -5
I've sent the following messahe to all members and agents from "Revolution 9" and "60IF" forums. Sun King has banned me, though I don't know the reason. All that starts with a BIG LIE. The post mentioned appeared on the forum "Revolution 9". Here is the link: 1966.proboards40.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1130164681&page=1Sun King or Beatle Paul (Well Here's Another Clue For You All) NEVER HAD the admin powers to ban anyone there. Trolls are always self-injurers. IF that were the case, then I would think it would be close to the same scenerio. Same car accident, but instead of it killing him, he suffers serious injury & head trauma. Something serious enough would take him out of the game for a long time..... if not permanently. Therefore he'd be dead artisticly. That's my opinion too. No more Beatle Paul as we knew him. "The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still, But nobody wants to know him, They can see that he's just a fool"Like the Iron Mask ... Dig It! While we are on the subject of head trauma, a primer on the subject: www.brainsource.com/TwentyQ.htmWe could postulate that after a prolonged period of excellent care, rest, and rehab, a person might come back to being well back to whole. Possibly, now, after 4 decades or sooner, James Paul?
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Post by jerriwillmore on Oct 28, 2005 16:55:46 GMT -5
Hunterd where did you get that info? ?
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Post by iknowstuff on Oct 29, 2005 4:13:40 GMT -5
All I'll say is that ever since Chaos and Creation and the possible hidden meanings behind every song on it, I've wondered if Paul didn't really die in '66 but was replaced, with his death given as a cover story for those who were supposedly in the know. We're a little more open minded to alternate theories here than those other PID/PWR forums, but we're also a little burned out on vague postings like this. Welcome, and it would be delightful to have an actual discourse with you here, if you'd be willing. Of course, this was his first album of all-new material since PID was rebirthed on the net with a vengenace. It's possible Faul was, being very aware that some would be all over it looking for clues, may've decided to put in false ones to deliberately mislead...
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 29, 2005 5:51:39 GMT -5
Possible, but I really doubt sites like this have any meaning to him. This stuff is actually all old hat in many inner circles, but it's only now with the advent of the Internet that us common fans can properly discuss this stuff without the filter of radio DJs or authors with an agenda framing the debate for us.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 29, 2005 6:51:11 GMT -5
Of course, this was his first album of all-new material since PID was rebirthed on the net with a vengenace. It's possible Faul was, being very aware that some would be all over it looking for clues, may've decided to put in false ones to deliberately mislead... I don't think there are any clues of that type on C&C. With Driving Rain, ya have the "btw, PID" thing in Rinse the Raindrops. But I think with C&C, the work as a whole IS the clue. Ya have the "essense" of JPM permeating thru the work, for the first time since there have been McCartney solo releases. The music is on a different level that anything before it. Plus you've got JPM on the cover, & that weird sig that sez "Paul McCartney", then turn it upside down & it sez "Paul McCartney" again. Two Pauls in one sig!
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Post by Doc on Oct 29, 2005 17:16:38 GMT -5
All I'll say is that ever since Chaos and Creation and the possible hidden meanings behind every song on it, I've wondered if Paul didn't really die in '66 but was replaced, with his death given as a cover story for those who were supposedly in the know. We're a little more open minded to alternate theories here than those other PID/PWR forums, but we're also a little burned out on vague postings like this. Welcome, and it would be delightful to have an actual discourse with you here, if you'd be willing. Of course, this was his first album of all-new material since PID was rebirthed on the net with a vengenace. It's possible Faul was, being very aware that some would be all over it looking for clues, may've decided to put in false ones to deliberately mislead... THe things in C&Cthat I notice being possible "clues" are things that are poised in such a way, and phrased in such a way, that one can neither confirm nor deny that they are specific clues.............thay lead one to say "hmmmmmm...." and scratch your chin.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 29, 2005 20:08:55 GMT -5
That "btw PID" clue is superb to me, i'm not a big solo paul fan and don't own any of his albums (apart from C&C which i downloaded) but, i'd heard the song a few times without noticing that clue, but when i downloded the clip it suddenly became obvious.
Can anyone post a pic of the signature that works both ways!?
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 29, 2005 20:17:59 GMT -5
Chaos and Creation, as a whole, forms a narrative in the same way the Magical Mystery Tour album did from start to finish, and I believe that it's meant for us to think of it as a return, either literally or symbolically, of the original James Paul standing side-by-side with Sir Paul.
Most likely it's just symbolic. Bill wanted a home-run album, so he got back to the roots of Paul McCartney and concocted a fantasy where Paul didn't die but went into seclusion. Of course, it's hard to say with any of this.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 29, 2005 20:58:57 GMT -5
Can anyone post a pic of the signature that works both ways!?
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Oct 29, 2005 22:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Oct 29, 2005 23:01:41 GMT -5
Chaos and Creation, as a whole, forms a narrative in the same way the Magical Mystery Tour album did from start to finish, and I believe that it's meant for us to think of it as a return, either literally or symbolically, of the original James Paul standing side-by-side with Sir Paul. Most likely it's just symbolic. Bill wanted a home-run album, so he got back to the roots of Paul McCartney and concocted a fantasy where Paul didn't die but went into seclusion. Of course, it's hard to say with any of this. Wow Wings, that's interesting, both your take on MMT and C&C. Sounds like these forums are a house of mirrors sometimes.
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Post by revolver on Oct 30, 2005 13:56:23 GMT -5
That's very clever. If that isn't an in-your-face type of clue, what is? He's two, two, two Paul's in one! (remember that Certs commercial?) He could be the spokesman for DoubleMint gum as well.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Nov 1, 2005 17:16:14 GMT -5
Cool, now where did Hunterd get that info anyone know?
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Post by hunterd on Jan 23, 2006 10:34:20 GMT -5
Hello, I didn't expect to be believed. I can't think of any of the documents I own as a proof you would undoubtely believe. I discovered some weeks ago Zonnebeke is included in the findagrave site project, and I found this: www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=McCartney&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=11952190&I know it won't make you believe. You have no way to tell my version from any other version invented by anyone just trying to have some fun. Please, feel free to make any question about it and I'll try to reply as soon as I can log again. I'll only avoid questions which imply directly or indirectly my identity. I hope to be able to post a couple of pictures too. Cheers
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Post by lili on Jan 23, 2006 10:48:31 GMT -5
That is very interesting, Hunterd. It really doesn't matter, though. As you stated, Paul was buried in a grave that was meant to disrespect him. WHY ? WHY the animosity ? No matter how you cut it, it still stinks to high heaven The bit about John just goes along with what I have known all along. John was killed because he was sick of living a lie. He wanted his life back on his OWN TERMS ! Here's what it says at that link that Hunterd provided for us: Serjeant William James Mccartney Birth: unknown Death: unknown Note: 1255. 7th Bn. Royal Irish Rifles. 16th August 1917. Panel138to140and162to162Aand163A. Burial: Tyne Cot Memorial Zonnebeke, Belgium Plot: Record added: Oct 12 2005 By: Gary Nelson
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