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Post by pennylane on Mar 5, 2006 6:42:16 GMT -5
please don't let this place turn into another TKIN
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Post by mciiii on Mar 5, 2006 7:09:30 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, Penny, and i think is time to the moderators and admins to do something to stop this TKINless invation or NIR will fall in the Chaos & Selfdestruction like the SK place. I'm gonna made no more post or responses, and i sugest to all the real NIR members the same. a conspiracy of silence speak louder than words
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Post by JoJo on Mar 5, 2006 9:54:40 GMT -5
please don't let this place turn into another TKIN I totally agree with you, Penny, and i think is time to the moderators and admins to do something to stop this TKINless invation or NIR will fall in the Chaos & Selfdestruction like the SK place. I'm gonna made no more post or responses, and i sugest to all the real NIR members the same. a conspiracy of silence speak louder than words Wow.. how to respond.. I'll start by saying exercising power is what killed TKIN. If you go "on strike" McCIII, then the only voices heard will be the ones you have a problem with. But..that's up to you. The other thing to consider is that the key difference here is that the ones running the board do not state certain outlandish ideas as a fact, and then expect you to simply accept it on faith. I hate having to guess what's bothering you, (a one liner doesn't help much) I have a general idea though. (in each case)
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Post by yellomattercustard on Mar 5, 2006 12:20:19 GMT -5
That's why I'm over here now.
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Post by lili on Mar 5, 2006 13:28:44 GMT -5
Can you please explain which posts/posters have been bothering you ? If I'm one of them, I apologize. I will try to tone down my posts & be much more careful about what I say
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 5, 2006 14:17:36 GMT -5
Well if you brought certain ideas with you over here from TKIN, without thinking them through, then you are guilty. Sorry but that is the way it is.
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Post by lili on Mar 5, 2006 14:38:04 GMT -5
I do try to present my ideas in a logical fashion. When I'm not certain, that's what I state. I'm still on the fence with the Neil/Feil thing. There is no way that Neil is the man who is Paul today. The fact that they were trying to push that idea over at TKIN is what made me finally lose total faith in the admins over there. I still don't know who the initial Paul imposter was. His head & body size doesn't match the Paul of today. What I've been trying to do lately is figure that one out. It sure is a tough one I find it most disturbing that until very recently, I hadn't noticed that there could've been more than one Faul [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 5, 2006 14:56:50 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence with the Neil/Feil thing. There is no way that Neil is the man who is Paul today. Obviously. This is an example of what we do like on this forum. What I'd like to see an end to is: [glow=red,2,300] *Faul-hating* - He's a victim in this as anyone else is. I am sure if he could get out of it, he would.
*Yoko-bashing* - Just tired of it. There's not enough evidence in my mind that she was responsible for John's death or that she even would desire it.
*TKIN theories* - These include: Don Knotts becoming Brian's double , Neil being replaced(let's see some more evidence), George being replaced by Clapton(oh brother), Paul being completely bald(think it through), Paul wearing 3 inches lifts(gimme a break, think this one through).
As George sang himself "Think For Yourself"[/glow]
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Post by lili on Mar 5, 2006 15:53:42 GMT -5
Darkhorse - thank you very much for letting us know exactly what it is that you feel has some people disenchanted. I promise you that from this moment on, you won't hear another negative word out of me about Faul or Yoko. I will keep those opinions to myself. I agree with you about every other theory except the one concerning Paul wearing lifts or special shoes. I spent a considerable amount of time researrching this. I posted a special thread concerning it. I just wanted to prove that during Paul's lifetime, he very well could have purchased said shoes, or lifts. They were available. I even posted at least one article proving that other celebrities do avail themselves of this option. I have noticed that in certain photos, Paul is obviously trying to make himself appear taller by standing on his tippy-toes. I have posted at least one photo showing him doing this. Right now, I have an associate checking to see if she can find more photos of Paul standing on his tippy toes. She has an extensive collection of photos of Paul. I'm hoping that she'll be able to find more photos to bolster my claims. I'm sorry that you feel that it is not a possibility. I've looked at enough photos of Paul to feel that something surely was amiss concerning his true height. What I think happened was that we were snowed. I think that all 4 of the boys lied about their height. Again, this is just my opinion. In my opinion, I feel that Ringo was no more 5ft. 5 or 6 in. tall, Paul no more than 5ft. 8 in. tall, John was about 5ft. 9 or 10 in. tall & George was about 5ft. 10 or 11 in. tall. I feel that what I have already said in this matter can stand on it's own. Unless I can come up with more proof of this claim, I will not mention it again.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 5, 2006 16:05:44 GMT -5
Lili, if you have your own views that is fine. We will just have to agree to disagree.
But where was the idea planted in you? Would you come up with that idea on your own? Let me tell you, I was one of the 4 original members of the 60IF forum and that idea has been there for a long time, since the beginning.
The ideas kept getting more ridiculous as time went on. Many of us fell for them and then we got smart and formed NIR. Now we have this great PID forum and we don't want to see it junked up with things we have seen before.
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Post by lili on Mar 5, 2006 18:25:15 GMT -5
Someone who knew Paul told me. He was an acquaintance of his. He told me this a long time ago, & I'm no longer in touch with this person. I lost touch with this person because he didn't want anything to do with the whole PID thing. He just thought that Paul looked so tall sometimes because of the special shoes that he occasionally wore. I tried to point out to him that I had seen photos of Bill in either flats or barefoot & he was still taller than John. He didn't want to hear it, so he severed contact with me. I was left on my own to see if I could find any kind of pictorial evidence to back this up. I really don't have any kind of hard proof. I just know what I see when I look at certain photos. This is meant to be tongue in cheek - I'm sure if Paul would've known that he was going to be a victim of foul play & replaced by someone taller than him, he would've thought twice about trying to increase his height ;D Everything else you said about 60IF is spot on. It's gotten so bad over there that it's been a LONG time since I even thought to check & see what everyone is on about. I like it very much here. I'm happy that we can agree to disagree.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 5, 2006 19:34:25 GMT -5
What I'd like to see an end to is: [glow=red,2,300] *Faul-hating* - He's a victim in this as anyone else is. I am sure if he could get out of it, he would.
*Yoko-bashing* - Just tired of it. There's not enough evidence in my mind that she was responsible for John's death or that she even would desire it.
*TKIN theories* - These include: Don Knotts becoming Brian's double , Neil being replaced(let's see some more evidence), George being replaced by Clapton(oh brother), Paul being completely bald(think it through), Paul wearing 3 inches lifts(gimme a break, think this one through).
As George sang himself "Think For Yourself"[/glow]Well said Darkhorse. I think it's fair to say that the increasing frequency of some of the above was starting to be something of growing concern for DH, myself and others here, but we were not really addressing it, perhaps hoping it would burn itself out. Well..it didn't. If one considers oneself a serious researcher, then consider how diatribes that may have nothing to do with the subject at hand diminish one's credibilty. I know I'm not real impressed. Some form of the above will become part of the "rule book" so to speak in the near future. We do want this forum to be a fertile ground for innovative ideas, with a subject matter such as this, it's often the only way of moving forward. New ideas do no harm, as long as they are couched in a way that indicates they are theory, not an established fact.
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Post by mciiii on Mar 5, 2006 20:58:47 GMT -5
I'm not try to be hard boss, you know my limitations with the english, and i'm try to wrote in the best way i can, and i know you (and others) knoww what i'm try to say I'll start by saying exercising power is what killed TKIN. I'm not try to make a tug of war with this, i'm nothing, i'm not power or something else, i'm only a person with a trollish past (and present, for some worms). If you go "on strike" McCIII, then the only voices heard will be the ones you have a problem with. But..that's up to you. I call these voices for their name boss, BEATLIES & TOTAL INFORMATION, and other well know TKINless posters, tilt i know they not only botering me, botering you and a lot of peoples here. And yes, i'm call my self to reclution, and is my thing. A conspiracy of silence speak louder than words Dr. Wilson O'Boogie
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Post by pennylane on Mar 6, 2006 7:26:24 GMT -5
I'm real sorry guys. I regret posting this. I'm just worried that's all. I don't like the TKIN theories of 'everyone has been replaced', or 'this is a big evil conspiracy' but who am I to inhibit people's ideas.. I just won't read those posts. That is not what this is about.
It's the personal attacks on Sir Paul and Yoko. We have all been guilty of this atleast once or twice, but then most of us realise that it's unjust and completely unnessecary. Who are we to pass judgement on anyone. we know nothing of their circumstances.
I believe in free speech, but I don't believe in hate. To vilify a person without knowing or understanding them fully.. is wrong. Let's all try to be a little more tolerant.
I feel like we were really moving forward with stuff, but recently, I feel like we have taken one giant leap backwards.
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Post by lili on Mar 6, 2006 12:31:51 GMT -5
I will do my best to stay within the new limitations. I also have a hard time believing that everyone was replaced. I copied the photos that were supposed to be John's double, so that I could address this. I haven't gotten around to it. I have to say from looking these photos over, that they sure look like John to me. John in various stages of his life, but still John. Especially the one of him with Yoko. People might think that I'm being closed minded by saying this, but I'm having a hard time believing that John & George were replaced by doubles in 1967. I know that they were going through alot. The thing is, in most photos, you can see it on their faces. The pain, the strain, the sorrow. Doubles wouldn't have that. I'm getting off my soapbox now.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 6, 2006 13:32:36 GMT -5
I will do my best to stay within the new limitations. I also have a hard time believing that everyone was replaced. I copied the photos that were supposed to be John's double, so that I could address this. I haven't gotten around to it. I have to say from looking these photos over, that they sure look like John to me. John in various stages of his life, but still John. Especially the one of him with Yoko. People might think that I'm being closed minded by saying this, but I'm having a hard time believing that John & George were replaced by doubles in 1967. I know that they were going through alot. The thing is, in most photos, you can see it on their faces. The pain, the strain, the sorrow. Doubles wouldn't have that. I'm getting off my soapbox now. I think it's self-evident John wasn't replaced. This is exactly the type of theory we are talking about, lili. Please don't bring nutty TKIN theories to this board. If, after hearing this, you absolutely feel confident you can make a case for it, then you can go to our section titled "Other Famous Look-a-likes". That's why we have this as a separate section.
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Post by lili on Mar 6, 2006 13:49:28 GMT -5
I understand, Darkhorse. I have no intention of trying to make a case for it. What I said is that I don't see it as a possibility. All the photos that were presented as being a lookalike look like John to me.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 6, 2006 14:15:35 GMT -5
I would just say that to deify a person without knowing them is just as counterproductive as to villify. Assuming we're talking about human beings here, the folks involved will act on both base and higher motives over the course of their life. Shutting down consideration of either is a sure way to retard your understanding.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 6, 2006 14:18:40 GMT -5
it's self-evident John wasn't replaced.
This is a straw man; I haven't seen anyone on this forum argue that. There is a question as to whether and what extent Lennon and the others occasionally employed doubles for security or even artistic reasons. Valis has presented on NIR an article from the Dutch media to that effect; and we know reporters asked the Beatles themselves about this before JPM died.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 6, 2006 18:52:52 GMT -5
Assuming we're talking about human beings here, the folks involved will act on both base and higher motives over the course of their life.
As does most everyone, and yes I'll assume we are talking about people who are "only human".
I would just say that to deify a person without knowing them is just as counterproductive as to villify
Maybe, but even people who disapprove of the whole con job must wince at some of the over the top comments made here at times.
We know it's a con job, and we know it required willing participants, including of course..The Sargeant, or whichever moniker you prefer.
It's ok if one disapproves, and ok to make it clear once or twice, but do we need to hear it over and over?
This subject has to be treated carefully, we must demonstrate that we are looking for facts, as serious researchers. If I was looking at this from the outside-in, and I saw hate filled rants, I would procede no further, dismissing this board and all that post here as whack job cranks. Is that what we want? Wouldn't we rather be perceived as curious individuals looking to solve a mystery?
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 6, 2006 23:58:27 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence with the Neil/Feil thing. There is no way that Neil is the man who is Paul today. Obviously. This is an example of what we do like on this forum. What I'd like to see an end to is: [glow=red,2,300] *Faul-hating* - He's a victim in this as anyone else is. I am sure if he could get out of it, he would.
*Yoko-bashing* - Just tired of it. There's not enough evidence in my mind that she was responsible for John's death or that she even would desire it.
*TKIN theories* - These include: Don Knotts becoming Brian's double , Neil being replaced(let's see some more evidence), George being replaced by Clapton(oh brother), Paul being completely bald(think it through), Paul wearing 3 inches lifts(gimme a break, think this one through).
As George sang himself "Think For Yourself"[/glow]Not to mention Vivian Stamshell is Bill, or Bill played Vivian until 1995.
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Post by lili on Mar 7, 2006 9:51:57 GMT -5
JoJo posted: As much as I dislike the imposter, I have to agree with Jo completely. That is why I've agreed to be more careful about what I post in the future. LovelyRita posted: That IS a rather ridiculous assumption. I can see the resemblance between Viv & Bill's son James. However, that can be explained in other ways. James looks like both of his parents.To me, that says that Viv might be related to either Bill or Linda. It's not unheard of for a child to resemble someone else in the family, such as a sibling or cousin. What I think happened is that the admins of that forum took one small fact ( that James resembles Viv ) & blew it TOTALLY out of proportion. I think that it's possible that it's Bill performing Deathcab for Cutie in MMT. The person singing that song has blue or bluish/green eyes. I'm fairly certain that could be Bill's true eye color. Vivian Stanshall had DARK BROWN EYES. That's a hard fact to ignore. The person singing as Viv in MMT: The real Vivian Stanshall: Viv does not share the same body type as Bill Bill: < Viv I can totally understand why many people find the "theory" that Bill imitated Viv until his death, preposterous. One other thing. Don't the people who are trying to push this as "fact" realize that if Bill did try such a stunt, it would make him a bigamist ? Viv was married and had a daughter from that relationship. From his wedding day: I do have to say that Viv must've partied hard. He looked alot older than his 50 something years. Viv died on March 5th, 1995. We just missed the 11th anniversary of his death.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Mar 7, 2006 13:30:18 GMT -5
If you search for Bonzo Dog at www.youtube.com you'll find Death Cab For Cutie from the Magical Mystery Tour (along with other Bonzo Dog videos). I'm absolutely convinced Viv is NOT the replacement, nor do I think Faul played Viv in MMT. By the way, in the video, Viv's eyes are looking brown to me... But look, if Vivian Stanshall and Don Knotts had replaced both Paul and Brian, I kind of think the Beatles would have then stuck together, merely because of all the humor they'd have generated. In fact, if any of the Beatles were here now, they'd probably laughingly tell us that's what they should have done!
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Post by mciiii on Mar 7, 2006 15:29:50 GMT -5
If you go "on strike" McCIII, then the only voices heard will be the ones you have a problem with. But..that's up to you. I call these voices for their name boss, BEATLIES & TOTAL INFORMATION, and other well know TKINless posters, tilt i know they not only botering me, botering you and a lot of peoples here. My excuses for Beatlies and TotalInformation for my idiot response, maybe we think diferent, but this don't give me the rigth to attack those members, please forgive me.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 7, 2006 16:33:13 GMT -5
I wasn't offended, b/c I had no idea WTF you were saying! (<-- WEAK)
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