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Post by lj on Aug 8, 2004 15:32:27 GMT -5
hey frightwolf, you better take a chill pill today or your blood pressure is going to blow up. you're getting too close to name calling and spamming so there you go, consider yourself warned and wear the title with pride. this is an adult discussion forum and if you feel you can't do that you know what to do.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 8, 2004 15:45:41 GMT -5
Darkhorse will probably never watch the Revolution video or Strawberry Fields again because he'd hate to admit that Paul is the same height. Wrong! I just watched the Revolution video and Faul looks about 1 1/2 inches taller than George(at the very beginning you can see their bodies, head to toe). Not only does he look taller but his upper body frame, shoulder width looks larger than Paul's. That's comparing Paul to George on the Ed Sullivan videos to the Revolution video. I DO have a open mind. Perhaps it's you that has the closed mind.
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Post by kazu on Aug 8, 2004 17:51:55 GMT -5
Can someone point to where in the Ed Sullivan Videos you guys are comparing the Revolution video to? In the different appearances, they are wearing mostly the same boots. in one episode, Paul's boots do not seem to have the same heel, but he is still the same height. In instances when they are not playnig guitars, but talknig to Ed Sullivan, Paul is on the left of George and George seems to be shorter than Paul and then suddenly they are the same height. All that seems to tell me is George does not stand as straight as Paul all the time. But it is obvious that Paul has a much bigger upper body than George and much broader shoulders at the time. In the various dates of the show, Paul seemde to gain and lose a lot of weight.
BTW, I stopped comparing them when they are playing guitar. George slouches when he is playing and singing. Paul never does. Although he often seems the same height as Paul in the Ed Sullivan videos, he keeps dropping a couple of inches and then gaining them back. Their relative heights also seem to change depending on how high their microphones are.
Frightwolf. A forum is to explain your point of view, not to convince someone else to change theirs or to direct personal attack if they don't change.
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 8, 2004 23:39:29 GMT -5
Wrong! I just watched the Revolution video and Faul looks about 1 1/2 inches taller than George(at the very beginning you can see their bodies, head to toe). Not only does he look taller but his upper body frame, shoulder width looks larger than Paul's. That's comparing Paul to George on the Ed Sullivan videos to the Revolution video. I DO have a open mind. Perhaps it's you that has the closed mind. Actually, Lennon is even with Paul and only is uneven when he starts slouching a bit to play his guitar. Same with Harrison. Paul is always standing. Sorry to break that to ya.
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 8, 2004 23:44:18 GMT -5
www.uploadit.org/TheEndUK/pg.jpgLike I said, I am finding many pre-66 pics that show Paul taller just like you can find a lot of post-66 Paul pics that show him taller.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 9, 2004 0:03:36 GMT -5
www.uploadit.org/TheEndUK/pg.jpgLike I said, I am finding many pre-66 pics that show Paul taller just like you can find a lot of post-66 Paul pics that show him taller. Right you are Frightwolf here is a perfect example of a taller Paul, absolutely indisputable proof. I'm guessing the original Paul was at least seven foot one.
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 9, 2004 0:09:38 GMT -5
Right you are Frightwolf here is a perfect example of a taller Paul, absolutely indisputable proof. I'm guessing the original Paul was at least seven foot one. 7'5" actually. So RedLion, did you actually visit the link or do you like mocking people when they show conflicting views?
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Post by Doc on Aug 9, 2004 0:16:51 GMT -5
The expressioin on Brian's face is priceless.
Like, "Ooh-la-la, it time for a cocktail, let's have a party..."
Beofre 1967 I see that facial attitude a lot. Very, effete, very up-beat, very mincing. After '66, he looks more serious, more straight businessman-ish.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 9, 2004 0:25:57 GMT -5
The expressioin on Brian's face is priceless. Like, "Ooh-la-la, it time for a cocktail, let's have a party..." Beofre 1967 I see that facial attitude a lot. Very, effete, very up-beat, very mincing. After '66, he looks more serious, more straight businessman-ish. Just my opinion. Eh, I don't see that, especially with certain pics. I recall a picture of Brian smiling gleefully at George, Paul, and John playing horns (flugles? trumpets?). I believe the date was 1967. He seems to have the same smiling character pre and post 66 to me.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 9, 2004 7:42:57 GMT -5
Actually, Lennon is even with Paul and only is uneven when he starts slouching a bit to play his guitar. Same with Harrison. Paul is always standing. Sorry to break that to ya. So now they're slouching? So it just so happens that BOTH Lennon and Harrison slouch now but for some reason Paul does not. Yeah that's the reason for the height difference!
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 9, 2004 7:50:56 GMT -5
Right you are Frightwolf here is a perfect example of a taller Paul, absolutely indisputable proof. I'm guessing the original Paul was at least seven foot one.
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Post by kazu on Aug 9, 2004 8:37:54 GMT -5
You know. Actually I have been finding that George does slouch a lot. It is apparent in the Ed Sullivan videos. Not just lpaying guitar, but standing without guitars next to Paul, he is the same height, then shorter, then the same height again. Nothing wrong with that. Paul is a better showman. Lennon?... I don't see him standing as straight as Paul, but he was not as bad as Harrison. I find this easy to believe. Most of my friends thought I was a couple of inches shorter than them for over a year in the beginning. Then when i started standing up straight because my back didn't feel good, they were surprised to find I was the same height as them.
Comon, Darkhorse, slouching is a common thing. And one of the most common reasons for a 1-2 inch height difference in many people. Come on. Let the logical part dwell on it. It does not mean Paul is alive. it only means George had bad posture.
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 9, 2004 8:39:39 GMT -5
Not only was he over 7' tall, he also dyed his hair a "greenish" color to match his eyes!
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 9, 2004 8:46:40 GMT -5
You know. Actually I have been finding that George does slouch a lot. It is apparent in the Ed Sullivan videos. Not just lpaying guitar, but standing without guitars next to Paul, he is the same height, then shorter, then the same height again. Nothing wrong with that. Paul is a better showman. Lennon?... I don't see him standing as straight as Paul, but he was not as bad as Harrison. I find this easy to believe. Most of my friends thought I was a couple of inches shorter than them for over a year in the beginning. Then when i started standing up straight because my back didn't feel good, they were surprised to find I was the same height as them. Comon, Darkhorse, slouching is a common thing. And one of the most common reasons for a 1-2 inch height difference in many people. Come on. Let the logical part dwell on it. It does not mean Paul is alive. it only means George had bad posture. C'mon to you Kazu. Slouching doesn't make up for 2 inches! Or even a inch and a half or even an inch most of the time. And the fact that only Lennon and Harrison slouch and not Paul is a real stretch.
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 9, 2004 9:22:03 GMT -5
So now they're slouching? So it just so happens that BOTH Lennon and Harrison slouch now but for some reason Paul does not. Yeah that's the reason for the height difference! Look at the video and see for yourself. Lennon is moving around and Paul is standing up straight. Why is it so shocking that they might be slouching or not standing up straight?
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 9, 2004 9:24:52 GMT -5
C'mon to you Kazu. Slouching doesn't make up for 2 inches! Or even a inch and a half or even an inch most of the time. And the fact that only Lennon and Harrison slouch and not Paul is a real stretch. C'mon to you Darkhorse . It's all in the video! John is NOT standing still; he is moving to get into the guitar feature. George DOES slouch a lot, and Kazu is right -- on the Ed Sullivan show he is slouching a lot as he plays. After the slouching part is over and Paul starts slouching with them, they all look the same height. Also, a reason why Paul isn't slouching is because I can't hear much bass at the beginning, so he probably didn't feel the need to get into things like Lennon did.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 9, 2004 13:00:58 GMT -5
7'5" actually. So RedLion, did you actually visit the link or do you like mocking people when they show conflicting views? Mocking you? No. Injecting a bit of humor? Yeah. And yes I did visit the link. However I have viewed thousands of photos and came to my own conclusion long ago. Being blessed with a keen sense for the obvious , I just knew it was a different guy. BTW his height is closer to 7' 1" dont forget the lifts!
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 9, 2004 13:06:56 GMT -5
Not only was he over 7' tall, he also dyed his hair a "greenish" color to match his eyes! Hmmm..............Jolly Green Giant maybe?
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Post by Frightwolf on Aug 9, 2004 14:10:39 GMT -5
Mocking you? No. Injecting a bit of humor? Yeah. And yes I did visit the link. However I have viewed have thousands of photos and came to my own conclusion long ago. Being blessed with a keen sense for the obvious , I just knew it was a different guy. BTW his height is closer to 7' 1" dont forget the lifts! In that case: You don't know what you're talking about. Let's start with the basics, shall we: Sample 1: ;D Sample 2: Are they the same person? Figure that out and I might start taking you seriously
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2004 14:47:49 GMT -5
On another thread: Still tagging the end of your posts with sarcastic remarks? One more tagline, just one, and you are gone. Are they the same person? Figure that out and I might start taking you seriously Bingo! Didn't take but a few hours... Bye Bye...
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Post by revolver on Aug 9, 2004 15:38:57 GMT -5
Something to think about: As the 47 year old son of an 84 year old mother, I can tell you this: People age with time. Please don't respond with the "well it was only four years between different "family shots." Watching my mom age over the last few years demonstrates to me that "shrinking" happens with all senior citizens. Why can't the obvious be looked at objectively? Maybe it's Paul's father that's changing height and not him. I am actually "taller" standing next to mom now than I was even a few years ago. If she's still with us in a few years, I'm shure I'll be even "taller." You forgot about the wedding photo. Nobody ever shrank that fast from osteoporosis or any other reason. Did poor Jane shrink too?
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Post by kazu on Aug 9, 2004 15:56:18 GMT -5
Well, The Ed Sullivan video I believe everyone is talking about does show odd standing postures when playing guitar, which is why I dicsount any height comparisons when playing at all. John likes to spread his feet out, George keeps his feet closer together, but curves his shoulders around his guitar a bit. Probably because it is big. Paul stands mostly with his feet closer together and since the bass he plays has a smaller body and he wears it lower that John of George, he is able to stand straight most of the time. This is not an opinion. This is in the performances. But one thing still bothers me. If anyone has the Ed sullivan videos, can you look. In the 4 shows can you look at the boots the 3 wear. In one of the performances, Paul seems to be wearing boots withuot the tall heel. The front of the boot also does not seem at as high an angle, meaning his foot is flatter than the others. In that particular show, he seems to be no taller than the others through the whole show, slouching or not. Was Paul perhaps an inch taller, but Brian maybe wanted to make them equal? (That part is my opinion, but not far fetched) Brian put them in suits. Made them stand 3 in the front line. Paul's guitar always pointnig stage right. Bow deeply at the end of each song. Marketed each member as an entity in itself. Why not make them the same height. The "image" of the Beatles was manufactured, even if the music was their own. Much of the manufactured image died with Brian. His contract was due to expire the same year he committed suicide. Some attribute his suicide partly to the belief that he thought it would not be renewed (probably true since they had already grown so far from his original concept). Anyway the sum of this post is two-fold. 1: Can anyone confir if one of the Ed Sullivan shows has Paul wearing shorter boots. 2: Any thoughts on this idea. Just for a moment, pretending that we believe Paul may have been an inch taller than George or John, could Brian's conception of the Beatles being marketde as equals, include having John, Paul, and George introduced to screaming female fans as the same height?
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Post by kazu on Aug 9, 2004 15:58:41 GMT -5
In the early-mid 60s. Jane was famous for wearing tall gogo boots. Something I am sure you don't wear at a wedding. I can't make any judgements on photos that show no feet. Also, If the "original" Paul was really 5'10" or 5'11", then something is wrong with the first photo, because Jane is much shorter than that. All you need to do is watch any movie she is in. She is too tall in the photo on the left. She stands next to famous actors who's height we know. You can see them from head to toe. I guess I'll go dig some up.
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Post by revolver on Aug 9, 2004 16:10:58 GMT -5
In the early-mid 60s. Jane was famous for wearing tall gogo boots. Something I am sure you don't wear at a wedding. I can't make any judgements on photos that show no feet. Also, If the "original" Paul was really 5'10" or 5'11", then something is wrong with the first photo, because Jane is much shorter than that. All you need to do is watch any movie she is in. She is too tall in the photo on the left. She stands next to famous actors who's height we know. You can see them from head to toe. I guess I'll go dig some up. In the first photo she was probably wearing high heels, which equalized her height to Paul. She also might have worn high heels to the wedding. Admittedly, the stronger case for PFaul's height increase is made against his dad, since men usually don't wear lifts and all the photos shown were almost certainly on level ground.
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Post by kazu on Aug 9, 2004 16:36:37 GMT -5
I would need to see more pre-66 photos of Paul's dad. In the photo presented, I see a man posing for an image by standing on his toes. You can see what appears to be the outline of the edge of his shoe and a diagonal line representing the end of his pantleg. Also his arms are a bit too short to be a man close to the height of Paul. Anyone see anything different? I can imagine he's saying, "Hurry and take the dam picture, my toes are killing me." Edited again. My spelling just blows. correction. The arm issue is odd because the other arm is a bit longer and Paul's hand is obscuring the natural position of his dad's shoulder. But I still see tippy toeing.
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