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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 15, 2004 23:03:51 GMT -5
Well I wish I had more time to argue with the PIA crew, but you guys just haven't come up with anything anywhere near as unmistakeable & clear as JoJo & RL. And I'm really puzzled by what you guys have posted. Slick publicity shots? Straight on shots?? And The Bugs first group of pics looks more like a PWR argument to me. There's a big difference between a shadow & a slight fold & a DETACHED LOBE. The much repeated pic does not show a detached lobe... I see a shadow & a slight fold. BIG DIFFERENCE
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 16, 2004 2:52:12 GMT -5
Couple more nice shots of the attached ear lobe.
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 16, 2004 8:18:03 GMT -5
If ya look at it, FP's pic also argues OUR case... even better than The Bugs' pics. I thought you guys woulda come up with something better than that by now. Now look at this again... the line my arrow points to would indicate an attached lobe, otherwise that wouldn't be there.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 16, 2004 8:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by revolver on Dec 16, 2004 21:24:28 GMT -5
The Paul earlobe is in heavy shadow and viewed directly from the side. Not a good candidate for determining its state of attachment, I'm afraid.
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Post by revolver on Dec 16, 2004 21:26:47 GMT -5
Couple more nice shots of the attached ear lobe. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] How much more evidence does anyone need to see the left lobe was attached?
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 17, 2004 7:39:05 GMT -5
Same ear. Same lobe. Ya know, shadows and folds in skin may be involved in some of the poor quality photos y'all have presented. Oh come now.... You have got to be kidding!
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 17, 2004 7:46:49 GMT -5
I'd love to see how our favorite crew of PIAers would explain this one away. I think this is the best find in a long long time. Silly silly me! I shoulda known the answer to that one. Ignore the obvious & post a few pics that perpetuate the illusion. I get an F in Psychology 101 For Dummys But we are talkin' about folks who think these two guys are one & the same, so why am I surprised?
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Post by Girl on Dec 17, 2004 8:32:50 GMT -5
My attached lobes haven't started drooping yet after all this time... is it something I have to look forward to over the next 20 years? LOL ;D
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 17, 2004 9:14:27 GMT -5
Oh come now.... You have got to be kidding! No, I am not. That is the same ear structure. No replacement is going to have that same structure. Clever to compare two pictures taken over 40 years apart. Hell, I can show you two pictures of my mother-in-law only 10 years apart and the difference would be much more surprising than those two of Paul. But hey, you think you've got the smoking gun here? Then go for it. Let's see some guts. Get an attorney and sue for fraud. There's any number of anti-establishment lawyers out there that would love to make names for themselves. Go to some news organizations (CBS comes to mind) and/or the hundreds of conspiracy theorists out there who make millions selling conspiracy books. Try the History Channel. They present many programs about conspiracies. Present this absolutely undeniable evidence to them and let's get this over with. I will bow to your feet and humble myself to you be it true that Paul was replaced. So enough with the name calling and put-downs. Take some action. If you are so sure this is the smoking gun, then by God, do something about it.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 17, 2004 10:33:29 GMT -5
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 17, 2004 13:29:40 GMT -5
"This study establishes normative data for ear morphology and clearly demonstrates the changes of earlobe morphology with advancing age." www.drsullivan.com/earlobe.html"(3) ENLARGED, DROOPING EARLOBES These are a consequence of the natural aging process." www.womenfitness.net/beauty/skin/rejuvenation.htm#er3"There are a variety of techniques used to address the aging face. As the procedures have evolved, an emphasis has been placed on improving the resulting scars and retaining the patient's natural hairline. In an attempt to correct the patient's aging concerns, Dr. Sheffield may suggest a combination of procedures. Often times the face lift is performed in conjunction with laser resurfacing and/or eyelid and brow lifting. It is very important to avoid the telltale signs of older techniques such as noticeable scars, absent sideburns, protracted earlobes and horizontal facial lines. " Facelifts have definite affects on earlobes. sbplasticsurgeon.com/santa-barbara-facelift.shtml"Earlobes may be curved and hanging or straight and attached to the side of the head. With age, earlobes become longer at the base" www.facial-plastic-surgery.org/patient/fps_today/vol17_2/vol17_2pg4.html
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 17, 2004 14:05:02 GMT -5
Clever to compare two pictures taken over 40 years apart. These pics are just a few years apart. Whats the excuse for here? BTW notice the incredible resemblance. They could almost pass for distant cousins.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 17, 2004 14:38:47 GMT -5
I was actually referencing this insulting post. Ignore the obvious & post a few pics that perpetuate the illusion. I get an F in Psychology 101 For Dummys But we are talkin' about folks who think these two guys are one & the same, so why am I surprised? As far as the two pictures you presented, I don't know when the one on the left was taken. As far as the ear, at that distance, I can not tell much. Any darkness may be due to shadow, fold in skin or hair. The one on the right is very poor quality. I notice different lighting, hair styles, camera angles, expressions, facial hair. And I have no idea about the different lenses used. It has been demonstrated many times that comparisons of other pictures can give much different results. I guarantee that I can show two pictures of my wife, one from our wedding and one from her drivers license taken closer together in time than these you presented and they look nothing alike. I don't know who that woman is on my wife's drivers license, but I know she wasn't replaced.
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 17, 2004 15:24:46 GMT -5
I'll say it once again, I don't blame you for thinking it's not the same guy in that comparison, it's a very good illusion. And PIDers, Bug got you all, this this thread belongs to him now.
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 17, 2004 17:08:27 GMT -5
And PIDers, Bug got you all, this this thread belongs to him now. Can we say fantasyland? You guys are too much. That's the funniest post I've read around here in a long time!
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 17, 2004 17:16:37 GMT -5
That is the same ear structure. No replacement is going to have that same structure. Clever to compare two pictures taken over 40 years apart. How the hell did the same ear end up on 2 different people?? So there's one comparison 40yrs apart,,... what the hell are ya talkin' about?? There are MANY comparisons around this forum comparing 2 pics taken one year apart. The difference is obvious. It doesn't matter if it's 40yrs or 1 yr... they don't match. You guys will argue with anything.
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Post by JoJo on Dec 17, 2004 18:04:52 GMT -5
Now we're at a nose job and a face lift, care to try for a third? Actually, I'd say he was due for an overhaul here, he looks much less "worn out" a year later in "Broad St." And what's going on with the skin over his left eye? Looks like a shade that's been pulled down.. He's only 42 years old here for Pete's sake, I'm 42 myself, and gravity hasn't come close to having it's way with my earlobes yet. Remember this scan from the Dino Brugioni book: Ear lobes start to lengthen at an advanced age. 42 is not an advanced age, if you think that, you must be twelve...
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Post by JoJo on Dec 17, 2004 18:08:00 GMT -5
I can cut 'n paste too! Amazing!
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Post by DarkHorse on Dec 17, 2004 21:03:25 GMT -5
And PIDers, Bug got you all, this this thread belongs to him now. Don't make me laugh too. The earlobe comparison is the best piece of evidence for PID we have seen in long time.
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 17, 2004 21:57:45 GMT -5
As far as the two pictures you presented, I don't know when the one on the left was taken. As far as the ear, at that distance, I can not tell much. Any darkness may be due to shadow, fold in skin or hair. The one on the right is very poor quality. I notice different lighting, hair styles, camera angles, expressions, facial hair. And I have no idea about the different lenses used. It has been demonstrated many times that comparisons of other pictures can give much different results. I guarantee that I can show two pictures of my wife, one from our wedding and one from her drivers license taken closer together in time than these you presented and they look nothing alike. I don't know who that woman is on my wife's drivers license, but I know she wasn't replaced. I'm strictly speaking of the ear lobes in those photos. Faul's is detached Paul's is not period. The lens, angle, lighting, and hairstyles are immaterial.
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Post by xpt626 on Dec 17, 2004 22:28:40 GMT -5
I'm strictly speaking of the ear lobes in those photos. Faul's is detached Paul's is not period. The lens, angle, lighting, and hairstyles are immaterial. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 18, 2004 8:45:28 GMT -5
Now we're at a nose job and a face lift, care to try for a third? Actually, I'd say he was due for an overhaul here, he looks much less "worn out" a year later in "Broad St." And what's going on with the skin over his left eye? Looks like a shade that's been pulled down.. He's only 42 years old here for Pete's sake, I'm 42 myself, and gravity hasn't come close to having it's way with my earlobes yet. It has been shown that face lifts do affect the earlobe, especially the older techniques. Are you saying it is not possilble that Paul had a face lift? I am close to 42, and my earlobes have been affected. My grandfather's hair went grey at 18, while my dad's did not start until he was in his 50s. So? Things happen to different people at different times in life. Also, as stated above, different people age differently. You would have us believe that all persons of all races age the same way at the same rate. It can happen with aging, but not every person on earth is going to age in the same exact manner. Ear lobes start to lengthen at an advanced age. 42 is not an advanced age, if you think that, you must be twelve... That is NOT correct. They do NOT START to lengthen at an advancED age. They lengthen with advancING age, and your age is advancing from the day you are born. I am 41 and mine are drooping. Maybe yours are not, but there is this thing called genetics. Every person is DIFFERENT and we have different lifestyles. Therefore using one person as an example does NOT prove anything.
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 18, 2004 8:50:35 GMT -5
How the hell did the same ear end up on 2 different people?? So there's one comparison 40yrs apart,,... what the hell are ya talkin' about?? There are MANY comparisons around this forum comparing 2 pics taken one year apart. The difference is obvious. It doesn't matter if it's 40yrs or 1 yr... they don't match. You guys will argue with anything. You never change. You are the one who used that particular comparison to make the point that they are two different people. Why did YOU choose to use a photo comparison of pictures taken over 40 years apart? You say "So there's one comparison 40yrs apart." So why do you keep using that ONE?
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Post by Goldfinger on Dec 18, 2004 8:56:36 GMT -5
I can cut 'n paste too! Amazing! Another put-down. It's not the cutting and pasting, it's the research. It's like a term paper. The physical act of typing 20 pages does not take that long. It's the reasearch that takes the time. Some here thought is so funny (LOL) about my talking about the earlobes drooping with time. Well, it seems no one here takes the time to research things before they jump to conclusions. I took the time to research and back up what I said to which no one here has adequately responded. All I get is smart-a** comments and people saying "they're two different people."
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