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Post by matchbox on Nov 7, 2004 20:23:39 GMT -5
How is it even within the realm of possibility that this is not the same person? I know. The two pics are from slightly different angles, so they will be deemed as useless. But notice the folds over the eyes, the creases under the eyes and the creases in the cheeks are all exactly the same. Also notice that the '70's Paul's left front tooth is shaped different because it was capped after the moped accident. Also. An interesting thing happens when you put a 1967 haircut an mustache on this Hard Day's Night promo pic. May I introduce to you: The "Mythical Faul". Props to kazu.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 7, 2004 23:03:04 GMT -5
Facinating... If we did something like that with the pic where you added a mustache, you guys would have a pretty good laugh. The reason being that you didn't just add a mustache, there's all kinda fun stuff going on there. First off the forehead by necessity must be pure invention, you have no way of knowing for a fact what someone's forehead looks like under the hair. But look at the darkening of the shadows under the eyes, and oh wow, his right cheek (our left) has shadowing added, and the shadow cast by his nose is longer. Are you trying to show how easy it is to "doctor" photos? You're trying to achieve an effect of some kind IMO, just drawing a mustache wasn't enough? It's good work...What was the reason for the shadowing Kazu? Either there's a reason, or your mouse slipped... Simply bumping up the contrast +25, and the brightness -25, and the putting them close to each other demonstrates. And a fade, since they're so entertaining:
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Post by matchbox on Nov 7, 2004 23:33:03 GMT -5
I must apologise to kazu for using his image without his knowledge. This was his description of the pic in question (which I missed) posted on M4E on Nov. 5. "The first image, I believe was publicity stills around the time of A Hard Day's Night, the movie. But I could be wrong. But it is one of the few times you see McCartney not as "Animated", or smiling. I have "created" a forehead and moustache that is similar to the time of Sgt. Pepper and placed it over him. I lengthened his hair in the back and chopped some off the sides so it outlines his head and neck like in Sgt. Pepper, and I have darkened the existing shadows and lines on his face to simulate harsher lighting conditions.
In the end, we have Paul. The alledged Faul. Lopsided chin and all."I had no intention of misleading anyone in my post. But it still clearly shows that '65 Paul with a '67 style haircut looks exactly like "Faul". Slightly darkening the shadows on his face isn't going to make him look like a different person. Faul is dead (FID) ---------------------------------- Edited to add: Here is the original with only the mustache and hair changed to look like '67. The bangs have not been raised, and the contrast has not been changed. It's still "Faul"
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Post by pennylane on Nov 8, 2004 4:30:45 GMT -5
the hdn pic looks doctored to begin with.
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Post by Morph on Nov 8, 2004 8:59:45 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the HDN photo session was aiming for an artistic effect. This particular photo didn't make the original cover. But it has all the elements to make it Faul-like. The shading from the side-lighting seems to narrow the face. The eye to the left is also partially in shadow, making it seem a bit smaller here. But what stands out the most in this particular shot is the missing upper lip...overexposure? gesture? doctoring? Regardless, it makes the mouth seem lower with respect to the nose, a prominent Faul-like feature. About SgtPepper: the lighting is intense, but the photos aren't this extensively shadowed. They certainly didn't need to be emphasized. As far as that big fade, well, what can I say? The chin is covered with hair, and the top of the head's missing. Oh well.
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Post by Goldfinger on Nov 8, 2004 9:41:11 GMT -5
Why do you mention only the parts you can't look at? What about the eyes, nose and teeth? Teeth are crooked in the same way, folds around eyes are the same. What did they do, give faul rubble teeth?
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 8, 2004 9:48:28 GMT -5
the hdn pic looks doctored to begin with. Yes and the crux of the whole argument!
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Post by Morph on Nov 8, 2004 14:25:57 GMT -5
Why do you mention only the parts you can't look at? What about the eyes, nose and teeth? Teeth are crooked in the same way, folds around eyes are the same. What did they do, give faul rubble teeth? The lines on the face are similiar. Just looked in the mirror, and mine do the same thing, at the same location, so I'm not sure if this is that significant. The teeth don't match at all.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 8, 2004 15:11:24 GMT -5
How is it even within the realm of possibility that this is not the same person? I know. The two pics are from slightly different angles, so they will be deemed as useless. But notice the folds over the eyes, the creases under the eyes and the creases in the cheeks are all exactly the same. Also notice that the '70's Paul's left front tooth is shaped different because it was capped after the moped accident. I agree with Morph. Why don't the teeth match up in Matchbox's(or Kazu's) fade? Paul's are bigger. Formula to get Paul to match up with Faul in a fade=Make Paul's head bigger and the eyes will match up with Faul's. Everything else will be "close enough" and can be explained away.
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Post by matchbox on Nov 8, 2004 16:23:42 GMT -5
It's obvious that the whole crux of the matter is that PID/PWR believers just can't see the differences created by a change of hairstyle, and some thinning due to weight loss.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 8, 2004 16:56:34 GMT -5
I see two different people there Matchbox. Keep in mind, Lennon lost a lot of weight, more than Paul I would bet, especially in his face and he changed his hair style and there's no arguing he is the same man.
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Post by matchbox on Nov 8, 2004 17:24:06 GMT -5
I see two different people there Matchbox. I think I just made that point there Darkhorse.
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Post by DarkHorse on Nov 8, 2004 17:29:56 GMT -5
I think I just made that point there Darkhorse. Maybe the point is that if you don't want to believe that the real Paul McCartney is dead, your mind won't let you see the difference.
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 8, 2004 18:50:00 GMT -5
It's obvious that the whole crux of the matter is that PID/PWR believers just can't see the differences created by a change of hairstyle, and some thinning due to weight loss. What I can't believe is that you guys can watch something like the Revolver/LSD interviews & still think yer only seeing one guy. And I don't see why y'all can't admit that something's goin' on there...... because the difference is so obvious in some pics.. Y'all dredge up the "lookalike" pics just for us, but what about all the rest? If ya can't admit that SOMETHING happened, I can't spend too much time studyin' yer fades. There are many reasons why SOME of y'alls fades match as good as they do, but that still doesn't answer any of the other things that are wrong with "Paul"
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Post by matchbox on Nov 8, 2004 19:41:06 GMT -5
Maybe the point is that if you don't want to believe that the real Paul McCartney is dead, your mind won't let you see the difference. Or maybe the point is that if you don't want to believe that the real Paul McCartney is alive, your mind won't let you see the sameness. STALEMATE!!
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Post by xpt626 on Nov 8, 2004 20:52:15 GMT -5
It's obvious that the whole crux of the matter is that PID/PWR believers just can't see the differences created by a change of hairstyle, and some thinning due to weight loss. hmmm.......let's see....weight loss and change of hairstyle..... uhhhhh........nope ;D
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Post by Girl on Nov 8, 2004 21:03:02 GMT -5
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Post by Red Lion on Nov 8, 2004 21:06:26 GMT -5
It's obvious that the whole crux of the matter is that PID/PWR believers just can't see the differences created by a change of hairstyle, and some thinning due to weight loss. Amazing how the top of someones head can grow when they open their mouth.
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Post by Girl on Nov 8, 2004 21:19:25 GMT -5
Yeah, and look at that scrawny neck... what's that? It looks like a little demon sitting on Faul's left (our right) shoulder... another clue? Another fade for our collection...
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 8, 2004 21:19:30 GMT -5
Or maybe the point is that if you don't want to believe that the real Paul McCartney is alive, your mind won't let you see the sameness. I think I'll resort to just posting previous responses. This was originally to a Mr.Bug post about the same thing, so the same response is appropriate "I grew up with The Beatles.... literally. That music is a very large part of my youth so this PID stuff is a fairly big deal. When I first noticed something funky goin' on & checked into it further my brain went into total shock. Not just over PID, but over all the other things out there. If PWR was possible then what else? This brain shock was not voluntary. I did not choose to see 2 different guys in all these photos, but there they are.... belive it or not. That is a fact you simply refuse to acknowledge. " And even if ya do find a fade that actually works.... "That doesn't address the hundreds of pics that obviously show a different guy. That doesn't address the obvious differences in singing voices. That doesn't address the different bodies attached to those heads. That doesn't address the difference in songwriting styles, or general mannerisms. So I fail to see what yer tryin' to prove. JPM was replaced.... whether you like it or not. " Whew, that was much easier than repeating myself manually!
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 8, 2004 21:23:40 GMT -5
Yeah, and look at that scrawny neck... what's that? I brought up the major differences in the necks in most of their fades several weeks ago & got shut down, so ya better look out! Don't ya know?..... Paul was a shapeshifter
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Post by Doc on Nov 8, 2004 21:38:57 GMT -5
...or. maybe, spent 12 weeks sleeping with his head in a vise-grip. Maybe that was a special cosmetic treatment offered in some Nairobi clinic back in 1966.
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Post by Girl on Nov 8, 2004 21:56:48 GMT -5
Hmmmm... that should've given them plenty of time to pluck his eyebrows... [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 8, 2004 22:07:15 GMT -5
Amazing how the top of someones head can grow when they open their mouth. That would be the drugs I think. Once back in 1970 I did some of that LSD that makes yer head expand like that.
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Post by revolver on Nov 8, 2004 22:55:02 GMT -5
Amazing how the top of someones head can grow when they open their mouth. He was just having a bad wig day, is all.
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