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Post by JoJo on Jun 21, 2004 21:10:13 GMT -5
Formulating some ideas, one thing is that on the video for PL, no one lip syncs to the words, except John sorta looks like he mouths some nonsense for a second or two. This is a break from numerous videos in the past, they lip synched on promo videos before and quite well. Maybe the singer who is supposed to be mouthing the words isn't there? The rest is the riding on horseback stuff, meeting on the street, then sitting at the table with the candlesticks. Then there's the scene where a guitar is handed to Paul, then he grabs the neck with the left hand, hesitates, the switches to the right hand. (like it was "whoops", that's not right)
I think DarkHorse is correct, there is a phasing in process going on. With Pepper, MMT, and the singles of the time, we have smoke and mirrors BIG time! Then, something happens with the release of the White Album. We have the replacement's voice, no blending, none of the other Beatles playing tricks in the studio, just that new voice plain as day. (Birthday, Helter Skelter for the "rough" sound, Martha for the higher pitched "ballad like" voice) What happened I wonder, for that decision to be made, just let him sing, who cares...
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2004 22:39:33 GMT -5
Yes yes yes to the last 4 posts.
(My time is real crunched for the next two weeks........)
Thanks for posting those--I listened. Yea, yea, I agree. The original layer is James Paul for sure. I suspect this is so with Hello, Goodbye.
THe maoin reason is, all four times that the lyric is heard: "You sa-ay good-bye, and I say hell-oooo.", right before the choruses, I hear JP on the word "sa-ay" and to a lesser extent the "goodbye."
The way he slides down in pitch and accents the vowel in say ---a bell goes off in my head. That is James Paul. So, he wrote it, and he's in the mix.
But now Fool on the Hill...................I havew to slow it down a half step and listen. I wonder if its a sped up vocal by John................. I think it is for sure slightly sped up. I hear the helium!! He-he, just kiddin. It is to a small degree raised in pitch from what is natural. (Again, I think about a half step.)
When I find my MMT CD I'll check.............OK I'm seemin kinda lazy these days, and that may be a factor, but I am preoccupied with a couple of job things------they resolve in a few weeks........
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 22, 2004 19:00:25 GMT -5
Formulating some ideas, one thing is that on the video for PL, no one lip syncs to the words, except John sorta looks like he mouths some nonsense for a second or two. This is a break from numerous videos in the past, they lip synched on promo videos before and quite well. Maybe the singer who is supposed to be mouthing the words isn't there? That's a good point Jojo. No one is lipsyncing that song and perhaps it's because the actual singer wasn't there ....he was deceased.
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Post by Doc on Jun 23, 2004 2:06:46 GMT -5
Yes, JoJo, in the Penny Lane video, just after they ride the horses around the bend, the camera pans across each of the Beatles faces, from right to left, I think Ringo first, then Paul, George (or vice versa) and John last John. At that point, John is smiling a chicken sh** eating grin, then he mouths something kinda fast------and it seems like he is saying---"Help Me", or "Please Help Me."
But, it could just be some absurd nonsense.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 23, 2004 7:58:37 GMT -5
I'll have to check that out Doc. To see if I can figure out what he's saying or if he is saying 'help me' like you say. Maybe I need to get someone who reads lips?
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jun 27, 2004 22:13:14 GMT -5
Ya' know what is sort of cool to do is to play both versions at the same time. Midway through, you'll need to make an adjustment to get them back into sychronicity, but it makes for kind of a freaky effect. In a May 1966 interview in Flip Magazine, Paul expressed his desire to make a song about his home town, "I still want to write a song about the places in Liverpool where I was brought up. Places like "The Dockers Umbrella" which is a long tunnel through which the dockers go to work on Merseyside and "Penny Lane" near my old home." Great interview...www.psycho-jello.com/beatles/flipmag.htm
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 27, 2004 23:12:04 GMT -5
Don't forget the Truby voiceprints say it is neither Faul nor Paul.
Question: Was the Anthology release previously extant as a bootleg? I don't think it's wise to take an Anthology release at face value.
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Post by LarryC on Jun 28, 2004 0:12:48 GMT -5
When he sang "I'm Down" live (I heard it on the Beatlesarama internet station, so I'm not sure if it was from the Moscow concert) it didn't sound natural, you can almost see him sweating profusely struggling to get it right. Remember how in the old days of Wings, he wouldn't do more than one or two Beatlles songs? Don't know which one or two he would do, but I bet it wasn't the old ones. The reverse is true now, now it's mostly Beatles songs. Somewhere along the line, he got confident, or perhaps he can rely on us to understand or excuse his voice not sounding the same; "well he's not a young man anymore". Hi JoJo Paul sings I'm Down in the Concert For New York DVD and sounds pretty good on it...let's face it though, that vocal is very difficult in the first darn place. I think much of what affects the more recent playing of the older Beatles songs to sound so different is the supporting musicians...they're all young enough to be his kids...well many of them anyhow. Not that THAT in itself is enough to make a marked difference, but the feeling of the original would have to be in there somewhere in the rendering...I would think anyways. It has been a while since I've seen it, but in the Rock Show video with Wings he sings I've Just Seen A Face, and it was pretty good as well...but there was much more harmony on it in the chorus than the original which sort of took away from it for me. Let's face it though, whenever ANY of the Beatles performed any of the Beatles songs in their solo acts, they NEVER sounded as good as they did when John, Paul, George, and Ringo were playing them. God Bless The Beatles!
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 28, 2004 8:25:08 GMT -5
...'pretty good' imitation I would say.
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Post by LarryC on Jul 21, 2004 0:48:58 GMT -5
Immitation, schmimmitation....hehehe ;D
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 21, 2004 8:20:03 GMT -5
Immitation all the way!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by JoJo on Aug 13, 2004 23:27:41 GMT -5
I realized I had yet another version of this, sometimes my collecting gets ahead of my actually listening. This is like the Nagra tapes it would seem, a mic set up somewhere in the room catching the ambient sound. Not real high quality, but at the line "in summer" I hear John. Before that, I don't know, I think it's got a hint of George, or perhaps John as well. Any opinions? www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/PenyyLaneRehearsal.mp3
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