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Post by Harb on May 5, 2004 12:55:36 GMT -5
I've decided to dedicate a section on my site to all of the more controversial clues there are out there. You know, the things that really go get you thinking. For example, the facial changes, the growth spurt, the vocal change etc. Since I want to get everything, it would be extremely helpful if anyone could point me towards anything I can research. What's been found that could be seen as more concrete proof that McCartney was replaced? Thank's for your help in advance  |
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Post by jerriwillmore on May 5, 2004 14:58:42 GMT -5
The voice change thing was by Dr. Henry Truby, I will post about that here. Can you possibly research this thing, maybe more people could do tests?
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Post by JoJo on May 5, 2004 19:42:28 GMT -5
As for the voice, one song that was sung pre and post 1966 was Bessa Me Mucho. Paul's version is on the Anthology cd, and "Sir Paul's" version is in the Let It Be movie, though not on the album of course. Sounds like a good post, I'll work on it.  One of my favorite visual clues is the stills from the Mal Evans home movie, it's here on the board somewhere. I look at Paul from the Paperback Writer video, or the Revolver press conference, and then just 3 or 4 months later to my eyes, he looks taller, skinnier, and most of all like a drastically different person. The key is get as close to the last "Paul" pics and as close as possible to the beginning of the "replacement's" photos and compare and contrast. Use whatever you want from what I've posted here if it's any help... |
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Post by Harb on May 6, 2004 6:05:47 GMT -5
I found a picture of Paul from a press conference he gave in August 1966 and he looks very much like the Paul we all know. I'll post it up here when I get the chance to since I'm on another computer at the moment. If anyone can post a photo of Paul circa December 1966 - January 1967 then they'd be great to compare.
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Post by eyesbleed on May 6, 2004 6:52:12 GMT -5
Ya, the Mal Evans home movies is a very good source for the earliest pics of "Faul". That guy looks nothing like James Paul.
There's a few pics posted around here somewhere.
Or if it would help ya, I could send ya a copy of my Mal Evans VCD.
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Post by DarkHorse on May 6, 2004 10:26:58 GMT -5
As for the voice, one song that was sung pre and post 1966 was Bessa Me Mucho. Paul's version is on the Anthology cd, and "Sir Paul's" version is in the Let It Be movie, though not on the album of course. Sounds like a good post, I'll work on it. One of my favorite visual clues is the stills from the Mal Evans home movie, it's here on the board somewhere. I look at Paul from the Paperback Writer video, or the Revolver press conference, and then just 3 or 4 months later to my eyes, he looks taller, skinnier, and most of all like a drastically different person. The key is get as close to the last "Paul" pics and as close as possible to the beginning of the "replacement's" photos and compare and contrast. Use whatever you want from what I've posted here if it's any help... That's awesome JoJo! I always thought it would be cool to have tapes of James Paul writing/singing songs like Let It Be in a recorder (in his hotel room or wherever) when the songs were still raw and comparing them to the recorded versions where Faul is singing. It's likely George Martin has tapes like these or maybe Neil Aspinall does. |
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Post by Harb on May 6, 2004 11:43:34 GMT -5
Here's the photo I was telling you about. It was taken on 2nd August, 1966...  |
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Post by FlamingPie on May 6, 2004 12:23:47 GMT -5
^ Uh, I'm not able to see that pic.  It's just a red x. |
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Post by DarkHorse on May 6, 2004 13:17:53 GMT -5
Here's the photo I was telling you about. It was taken on 2nd August, 1966... Looks like JP to me. However, they covered up the chip in his tooth it looks like. |
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Post by JoJo on May 6, 2004 16:56:34 GMT -5
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Post by DarkHorse on May 6, 2004 18:49:45 GMT -5
Good job! The version by James Paul is very impressive. His voice is definitely stronger than Faul's. The differences aren't drastic but they are there.
It's interesting that that part in the movie where Faul sings that is one of the only times John smiles in that movie. Probably because it reminded him of James Paul.
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Post by FlamingPie on May 6, 2004 19:30:26 GMT -5
Okay, I can see the pic now. The voice(s) singing Bessame Mucho's strangely don't sound that similar to each other. But that can be because of a number of reasons.
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Post by JoJo on May 6, 2004 20:26:51 GMT -5
It's difficult to read people, but I noticed that myself while capping it. It's always guesswork to figure what people are thinking based on what' expression they're wearing on their face, but my first thought was John is laughing at his over the top rendition. It was like listening to someone doing a satire or exaggerated imitation of a Spanish singer. Almost like someone mocking the style. It's like when you've had a few drinks, put on a tenor singing opera on the stereo, and do a really bad imitation as it plays.
Paul's version... well it's like he captures the heart and soul of the style, he could have had a second career singing only Spanish songs! Amazing!
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Post by revolver on May 6, 2004 21:49:09 GMT -5
Faul's singing voice usually sounds like Paul until you hear Paul's voice again. Then you realize how different they were. Same for speaking voices.
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Post by southpaw on May 7, 2004 1:36:51 GMT -5
hmm first time i've heard those versions of Besa me mucho.
I have another version of that song done around the same time as the first(probably same day)
The version I have is waaaaaaay better than the one posted from the anthology.
Strange I think that they(faul) would put the less impressive version on Anthology, downplaying his ability somewhat.
I will post the version i have soon as i get my web space set up.
If you thought james paul had "soul" wait till you here this alternate take.
One other thing, the version I have is recorded alot cleaner.
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Post by DarkHorse on May 7, 2004 7:54:33 GMT -5
Faul's singing voice usually sounds like Paul until you hear Paul's voice again. Then you realize how different they were. Same for speaking voices. Exactly true! Couldn't have said it better. On a different note, does anyone know when the Revolver album was released? I believe it was November of 1966. I used to think that Paul's face on the cover 'looking away' couldn't possibly be a clue because they recorded the album when he was alive but if he died in September of 1966, then they had 2 months to prepare an album cover. It's interesting that Ringo is looking up at him and John is glancing at him. A clue? |
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Post by scatman on May 7, 2004 10:11:26 GMT -5
According to a Google search,
Revolver was released August 5, 1966
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Post by Harb on May 7, 2004 11:02:57 GMT -5
Yea, in the UK the Revolver LP was released in August, 1966. Although in America, the songs Dr. Robert, I'm Only Sleeping and And Your Bird Can Sing were released in July on the Yesterday and Today LP. So comparisons between songs on Revolver and songs on Magical Mystery Tour (Maybe For No One and Fool on the Hill) could be a good idea.
One thing I've noticed that is on the song Blackbird Paul's voice sounds a lot weaker, with him having difficulty in keeping on the long notes. However, in Till There Was You Paul easily managed to keep straight on the final long note.
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Post by DarkHorse on May 7, 2004 14:26:15 GMT -5
According to a Google search, Revolver was released August 5, 1966 Yes you are right. So the cover is meaningless. |
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Post by DarkHorse on May 7, 2004 14:33:11 GMT -5
Yea, in the UK the Revolver LP was released in August, 1966. Although in America, the songs Dr. Robert, I'm Only Sleeping and And Your Bird Can Sing were released in July on the Yesterday and Today LP. So comparisons between songs on Revolver and songs on Magical Mystery Tour (Maybe For No One and Fool on the Hill) could be a good idea. One thing I've noticed that is on the song Blackbird Paul's voice sounds a lot weaker, with him having difficulty in keeping on the long notes. However, in Till There Was You Paul easily managed to keep straight on the final long note. Blackbird is probably sung by someone other than Faul. It sounds like the imitator who sung 'When I'm Sixty Four' and 'Lovely Rita'. You can download a live version of Blackbird by Faul off Kazaa and see the difference. Instead of trying to pump out that long note like the imitator does, his voice goes higher, which is typical of his style. |
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Post by eyesbleed on May 7, 2004 18:49:35 GMT -5
While we're comparing vocals, don't forget the hideous Broadstreet album with Beatle-Bill's studio versions of Here There & Everywhere, Good Day Sunshine, Eleanor Rigby, & Yesterday.
If anybody wants'em, I could upload those tracks & post'em here.
I see Broadstreet is now a hideous DVD!
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