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Post by kazu on Oct 23, 2004 6:16:29 GMT -5
It actually would not be too hard to do in the 60s, provided the cirsumstances of the death are as they say. 1: He was alone when he died, or witnesses also died. 2: His face was mangled beyond recognition. 3: No one knew where he was at the time. 4: There was another man who resembled him enough to convince the press that Paul was "somewhere". 5: The other Beatles were convinced to go along with it. 6: Paul's family, friends, and girlfriend were convinced to go along with it. 7: Plastic surgury was advanced enough to reshape the look-alike to closely resemble Paul. 8: The look-alike sounded enough like Paul to be convincing. 9: The loook-alike were able to learn to play the piano, guitar and other things Paul played quickly. 10: Anyone who was suspicious since then that was big enough to make a substantial claim was quieted.
If all the above were possible, then it is possible. But the problem I have is not if Paul died. It is easy to die. My problem is with assuming all the above. It is like the paternity suite where a woman claimed Paul was the father, but a blood test proves he is not. Those who believe PID may claim that it supports that Paul is not the same man, but in doing so they assume that he made a strange woman pregnant. Basically for that story to support PID, we assume Paul guilty of the crime. This is what does not jive for me. PID is very possible, but we first have to assume the worst.
So that is all just my opinion, since the title of this thread is "how did they POSSIBLY do it". This is how it could have possibly been done only if these conditions were true. Otherwise, they probably could not.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 23, 2004 7:36:50 GMT -5
9: The loook-alike were able to learn to play the piano, guitar and other things Paul played quickly. . Well, not right away. I think he was already a musician to a certain extent, but during those first couple of years, I think he did a lot more posing than he did actual playing. There's a reason why they stopped touring, & it wasn't coz the crowds were too loud & the music was too complicated. It took Faul a few years of practice & he still ain't no JPM.
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Post by Morph on Oct 23, 2004 11:05:41 GMT -5
They have ears but can not hear. I did a lot of research on PID before I found 60IF. The thing that intrigued me most about 60IF is that it was based on a document giving detailed information as to what happened and it had the photo comparisons. It was not based on the silly clues. There seem to be many references to the White Album poster there, among other items. The clues were the first step into inquiring further, and the photo and voice comparisons (to me the most compelling) are a result of this inquiry.
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Post by Morph on Oct 23, 2004 11:21:57 GMT -5
Ya well, that's the big question isn't it? I'm very certain that it did indeed happen, but I wouldn't have a clue. THAT's why they call it a "mystery"! Exactly...for me, I wouldn't know where to begin...the circumstances border on absurd. The media-mechanics of convincing the general population that this was the same person were, in hindsight, the easy part. Some thoughts I had on this: Photography: went from mostly b/w to mostly color. This went a long way to seperate youngish-looking "sullivan" Paul from older looking "paisley and sideburns" Faul, much more than the actual dates of some photos would indicate. The appearance change would be percieved as natural aging. Also, photos had to be purchased, while today one can just download them and compare. TV: People still had b/w tv sets with fuzzy reception (no cable, just some bunny ears with tin foil...), smallish bubble screens, and tinny speakers. You had few chances at seeing a show or video...if it aired, it aired. People couldn't rewind, freeze, and zoom DVDs on their cinema-displays with surround sound, like today. Costumes and facial hair: A distraction, presented under the guise of the band's image shift to "psychedelic" and "drugs". Voices: Another distraction, with "Paul" sounding like four different people, but again it's them being "psychedelic" and "drugs". Presentation: Officially billed as "Paul McCartney".
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 23, 2004 16:34:45 GMT -5
Darkhorse, I'm still waiting for a fade where the head shape or eyes don't match up.
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 25, 2004 10:55:31 GMT -5
So, an unsubstantiated story written after the PID stuff already broke by a guy trying to sell books. If you believe that, then I will sell you a story that I actually knew that the Red Sox were going to come back against the Yankees from a 0-3 deficit a week before the playoffs even started. (Try to make that political.) Of course I didn't tell anybody until after it happened.
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 25, 2004 11:08:13 GMT -5
So there are NO clues in Rev9? They were put there by somebody else I suppose? NONE of his lyrics are clue worthy? Forget it I give up. Do you not read anything I put up? Yes, John did write some crazy stuff and put them in songs, but it was not about PID. It was to the "f*ckers" to let them "work on it." People can interpret lyrics many different ways. If one goes in predetermined to find clues about Paul being dead. then that is how they will be interpreted.
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Post by DarkHorse on Oct 25, 2004 11:49:21 GMT -5
Darkhorse, I'm still waiting for a fade where the head shape or eyes don't match up. Well I was away for a few days so I didn't have time to respond to your post. Anyway, I should be asking you this. Your fade(Larry's) was clever but Faul's head is tilted back making the length of the nose appear shorter. The angle should be the same...although I don't put as much stock in fades as I used to. It can be anyone's fade, not yours. Okay, here's Larry's fade of my comparison:
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 25, 2004 15:34:39 GMT -5
Well I was away for a few days so I didn't have time to respond to your post. Anyway, I should be asking you this. Your fade(Larry's) was clever but Faul's head is tilted back making the length of the nose appear shorter. The angle should be the same...although I don't put as much stock in fades as I used to. The angle is pretty much the same. And the only thing you talked about was the nose. They were matched up by the eyes, and the head shape matches up. Like I said, post one, from anywhere, where they don't.
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 25, 2004 15:48:19 GMT -5
Lennon denied the clues publicly. The people who believe the clues were made up, not there and/or a publicity stunt, well, some of them have come forward as in the case with Tom Zarski. Let me tell you if Tom Zarski didn't discover the clues someone else surely would have. The people who believe the clues are real and left by Lennon, namely us on this board and others, you would never hear their opinion voiced anywhere on any news publication, etc., etc. How can you not see the MANY clues that are there? This goes WAY beyond coincidence my friend. 1. Lennon publicly denied the PID clues, not that he put hidden things into his songs. Just look at "fish and finger pie" in Penny Lane. They also put drug references in the songs. Also, he liked to screw around with people who would over analyze lyrics in Beatle tunes. 2. These just weren't people who believed them to be made up or a publicity stunt, they are the ones who made them up and knew they were false. Also, the sheer number of clues does not make them true. If someone makes up 100 clues then they are 100 false clues. Just because they are MANY, doesn't make them right. Who would have believed it was really Lennon without him stating it publicly? If he stated it publicly he could lose his life. And you wanna know something? Your whole idea of Lennon sending a letter to news agencies, etc. to tell the whole story would be just another "clue" in this day because noone would have believed it back then or today and YOU would be denying it yourself to this day. ***edited to remove lengthy discussion of Watergate and JFK conspiracies.***
Bug, this is not the first time we've had this discussion.
It's not even the first time today we've had it.
If you want to have those conversations, you need to have them at a different forum.
Short and simple: one more time, and your ticket will be punched.
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