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Post by Piggies on Mar 7, 2004 16:59:03 GMT -5
that looks too close to an insult, at least to me. please be nice . and if you want to disagree with something someone say, at least try to work on your argument, because just saying "sheese " is not such a strong argument. JMO. and if you just don't like it here, well............ Well, unfortunately the same type of things that were a regular occurance 'over there' seem to be cropping up here on a regular basis. Like being told that my assertions could be easily picked apart by a 5th grader, and that anything that goes against PID is probably (but not proven to be) doctored. The sheese stands. As for not liking it here. These forums were were supposed to be open to all sides of the debate. The posts I've made that you seem to be concerned about were my responses to the "5th grader" comment and the "probably doctored but I will show no proof" comments. I do not intend to be innappropriate, but I will not allow my words to be twisted by "60IF tactics".
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Post by Piggies on Mar 7, 2004 17:03:27 GMT -5
None of Uberkinder's or SK's photos were doctored that I'm aware of. Nobody proved anything of the sort. It's these slow fading morph animations that are more likely to be mannipulated than a simple overlay as I've done. Larry C and kazu have some really good DeSunKing pics over at maccaforever that show much of SK/Uber's tomfoolery.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 7, 2004 18:10:28 GMT -5
well their is no 60if tactics or tomfoolery going on over here and i think what your seeing is frustration that we are still being linked to it. i'm beginning to think (and i'm going out on my own with this one) that this forum wasn't really a good idea especailly so close on the heals of everything else that happened
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 7, 2004 18:55:37 GMT -5
Sheese - Why all the persistance piggies? There's really no point in it, & yer probably not gonna change any minds; so what's the point of gettin' yerself all flustered tryin' to argue? There's no possible remote chance of ya changin' my mind on this, so it all seems like a bunch of wasted time to me.
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 7, 2004 19:09:25 GMT -5
If you won't be convinced then you shouldn't mind us being here at all, we won't be any threat to you
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Post by revolver on Mar 7, 2004 20:04:30 GMT -5
If you won't be convinced then you shouldn't mind us being here at all, we won't be any threat to you The PIA people can't have it both ways. If photos don't prove PID then they don't prove PIA either. So arguing about it won't convince anybody on either side who's already made up their minds. Either you see it or you don't. I don't think any PID people are posting over at the macca board trying to convice anybody over there. So why try it here?
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2004 20:14:47 GMT -5
Well, unfortunately the same type of things that were a regular occurance 'over there' seem to be cropping up here on a regular basis. Like being told that my assertions could be easily picked apart by a 5th grader... I never said your 'assertions' could be picked apart by a 5th grader, I said "Most of the pictures from that site(Paulisnotdead.com) and including this one, could be picked apart by a 5th grader..." and that's what I truly believe. How do you know that? Were you the creator of this forum? It is titled "Nothing Is Real: Paul Was Replaced", not "Was Paul Replaced?: You Decide."
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2004 20:17:12 GMT -5
The PIA people can't have it both ways. If photos don't prove PID then they don't prove PIA either. So arguing about it won't convince anybody on either side who's already made up their minds. Either you see it or you don't. I don't think any PID people are posting over at the macca board trying to convice anybody over there. So why try it here? Excellent point Revolver!!! So PIA'ers, why ARE you here?
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2004 20:20:09 GMT -5
If you won't be convinced then you shouldn't mind us being here at all, we won't be any threat to you Then why are you here?
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Post by revolver on Mar 7, 2004 20:52:35 GMT -5
Then why are you here? Exactly, DarkHorse! This forum is for those who believe PWR or are at least curious and open-minded on the subject. If I ever ever switched sides, I sure wouldn't want to hang around here anymore.
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Post by LarryC on Mar 7, 2004 21:20:03 GMT -5
None of Uberkinder's or SK's photos were doctored that I'm aware of. Nobody proved anything of the sort. It's these slow fading morph animations that are more likely to be mannipulated than a simple overlay as I've done. Just for the record, I would like to explain how I have done my overlays. Someone has accused me of morphing pics, and whoever says that knows nothing about photoshop graphics, amination building, and morphing. When I do a fade I will take the pic which will be the overlay and paste it over the beginning pic...then I will adjust the opacity to around 50% so I can see the pic under it and resize the overlay pic (maintaining the proper aspect (shift/drag) as I do so...using the eyes normally as a reference point. The head tilt is often different between pics and usually requires a slight rotation of the overlay pic to make the eyes overlay in the same position as the pic underneath. The one FlamingPie posted at the beginning of this thread was not resized, or rotated at all. (Yea, I was amazed too) I scanned them at different resolutions...the old pic at 150dpi, and the Sgt Pepper pic at 300dpi, and the size just happened to work on both pics. To make the fade I reduce the opacity to 0% and save 4 frames, then increase the opacity of the overlay pic 25% at a time until I have it at 100%, saving frames every 25% and saving 4 more at 100%...then go back to 25% saving the frame every 25%. This results in 14 frames which are imported into JASC Animation Shop and an animation is created. There is NO morphing. A morph will use bits and pieces of BOTH pics to combine into ONE pic. Hehe...sorry...I got all technical here, but I felt it was important to explain that I do NOT morph. A slow fade is better from all aspects of the argument because it will allow you to see how well the features either match or don't match as the fade progresses.
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Post by LarryC on Mar 7, 2004 21:32:19 GMT -5
Excellent point Revolver!!! So PIA'ers, why ARE you here? I'm here because I don't give a rip if Paul is dead or not, I just like you folks And I'm not here to argue PID/PIA, but some of my work has been posted so I respond to it on the basis of what I did and how I did it I like hanging out in the George thread anyways And, just so you will know, I don't care if PID people wish to make PID points on the macca4ever forum either. It's an open forum, mostly just anti-60IF. In fact, there HAVE been some PID points made in the past, but it was in the time when PB and SK followed all the banned skeptics to our forum after he invited them to join it, and was harrassing them. Dang I didn't want to even go there with that. The point is to debate. The only thing I've ever tried to prove was when evidence was being misrepresented, shopped, twisted, etc. People are free to believe and think what they wish as far as I'm concerned. There is a heck of a lot more than just photos to look at, and because so many of us have inquiring minds, some a bit more inquiring than others, it is easy to assume things that may or may not have any significance...and in the words of that famous philosopher, Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that..." ;D Anyways...Peace
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Post by LarryC on Mar 7, 2004 21:41:38 GMT -5
Exactly, DarkHorse! This forum is for those who believe PWR or are at least curious and open-minded on the subject. If I ever ever switched sides, I sure wouldn't want to hang around here anymore. Darn, this will be three posts in a row on this tread...lol...looks like I'm trying to steal the show or something...but I just have to comment on this one. Revolver, I don't know where you are from, but one of the things that makes my country great is diversity. I served in the military for 20 years with people from all walks of life, all different races, religions, and values. So many people everywhere, including in the US, don't realize how much richer your life can become with the experience of diversity and cross-cultural experiences. Ok, that may be stretching it a bit on the PID/PIA issue, but my point is that I learned a long time ago that two people can learn to agree to disagree and still be friends with each other. I am here on this forum because the founder invited me to join. I would have most likely joined anyways because the founder(s) of this forum are some really impressive people IMO, and I personally appreciate what they've done. In amid all the hullabaloo of the 60IF debacal, I think we have become friends, and I don't take that lightly.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 7, 2004 21:53:54 GMT -5
I'm here because I don't give a rip if Paul is dead or not, I just like you folks And I'm not here to argue PID/PIA, but some of my work has been posted so I respond to it on the basis of what I did and how I did it I like hanging out in the George thread anyways And, just so you will know, I don't care if PID people wish to make PID points on the macca4ever forum either. It's an open forum, mostly just anti-60IF. In fact, there HAVE been some PID points made in the past, but it was in the time when PB and SK followed all the banned skeptics to our forum after he invited them to join it, and was harrassing them. Dang I didn't want to even go there with that. The point is to debate. The only thing I've ever tried to prove was when evidence was being misrepresented, shopped, twisted, etc. People are free to believe and think what they wish as far as I'm concerned. There is a heck of a lot more than just photos to look at, and because so many of us have inquiring minds, some a bit more inquiring than others, it is easy to assume things that may or may not have any significance...and in the words of that famous philosopher, Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that..." ;D Anyways...Peace This is the post i want to put one of these annoying but cute little sticky pins on. I couldn't have said it better. I've pretty much been keeping a low profile the last few days and watching what has been happening. In three weeks on truth PID and PIA laughed and joked together as real human beings and in less than one week here everyone is at each others throats again and being very snippy with each other. All i ask is that before anyone makes a post please try to talk to others the way you would like to be spoken too.. A little naive i guess but thats just me..
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 7, 2004 21:58:22 GMT -5
This is the post i want to put one of these annoying but cute little sticky pins on. I couldn't have said it better. I've pretty much been keeping a low profile the last few days and watching what has been happening. In three weeks on truth PID and PIA laughed and joked together as real human beings and in less than one week here everyone is at each others throats again and being very snippy with each other. All i ask is that before anyone makes a post please try to talk to others the way you would like to be spoken too.. A little naive i guess but thats just me.. I don't find anything wrong with the way Revolver, LJ, eyesbleed or myself reacted to some of the posts in this thread.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 7, 2004 22:04:49 GMT -5
i was talking about the tone of the whole forum not just this tread.
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Post by maidels on Mar 7, 2004 22:13:15 GMT -5
Hi, this is my first post at this forum. I posted a few times at the 60IF forum also, although I never had the time or energy to get really involved.
I've noticed that people here are so divided in their opinions that nothing is really getting accomplished. One of the great things about 60IF, at first, regardless of what happened later, was that nearly everyone was of one mind. Almost everyone posting there agreed that something had happened to Paul around 1966. Because of that common ground, alot of great work was done gathering visual and circumstantial clues and the forum seemed to get a whole lot accomplished. I think it's nice that you want to open your forum to people who don't believe Paul was replaced or died, but it seems counterproductive, like stepping on the gas and the break at the same time.
I mean, don't people join forums like this because they have a kinship of some sort with the others in it? Case in point, I don't think I'd go in a chat room for cancer survivors unless I actually survived a cancer scare or was close to someone who did. Same thing here.
I guess I just miss the excitement of reading the posts of the 60IF board in its heyday. I'd like to see more of that here and thought I'd give you my opinions, as a virtual outsider, for whatever it's worth.
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Post by revolver on Mar 7, 2004 22:22:49 GMT -5
I think there would be no problem if people just stay on-topic. This topic is for debunking questionable PID or PWR arguments, not for arguing that Faul is Paul. If the forum admins want to create a topic that is pro PIA, that's fine, but it should be kept separate from this topic.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 7, 2004 22:28:26 GMT -5
Welcome Maidels your opinion is very valid and i can understand where you are coming from. I also miss the good ole days of 60IF but that was short lived because of the lies and the craziness. I also understand your point about non believers but the thinking of the admin when we were building this forum was to include the skeptics because we believe that we can learn something from them just as we think they can from us too.
unfortunatly it may not work out that way because the 60IF cloud still hangs low and every time something happens we are going to be compared to them. My personal opinion on this is that if you show respect to everyone, the skeptics that just want to fight will get bored because they are not getting what they want and will just fade away. The other skeptics that actually want to contribute will still be welcome.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 7, 2004 22:30:49 GMT -5
I think there would be no problem if people just stay on-topic. This topic is for debunking questionable PID or PWR arguments, not for arguing that Faul is Paul. If the forum admins want to create a topic that is pro PIA, that's fine, but it should be kept separate from this topic. Revolver that is a pretty darn good idea.. ;D its worth thinking about.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 7, 2004 22:45:07 GMT -5
I mean, don't people join forums like this because they have a kinship of some sort with the others in it? Case in point, I don't think I'd go in a chat room for cancer survivors unless I actually survived a cancer scare or was close to someone who did. Same thing here. I guess I just miss the excitement of reading the posts of the 60IF board in its heyday. I'd like to see more of that here and thought I'd give you my opinions, as a virtual outsider, for whatever it's worth. Well I think maidels great 1st post & LarryC's post with the cute little pin on it pretty much sum it up.
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Post by Doc on Mar 7, 2004 22:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by Piggies on Mar 8, 2004 3:29:30 GMT -5
Excellent point Revolver!!! So PIA'ers, why ARE you here? Hmmmmm. Good Question.
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Post by Ian777 on Mar 8, 2004 17:19:43 GMT -5
ENOUGH FROM YOU. DoctorRobert attended school with Chapman. He's not "channeling" dead Beatles to write his music....get my meaning? I'm tired of you hopping thread-to-thread spewing negativity and being pompous. I am a mod here and would love nothing more than to ban you....there have been several people complaining about your attitude....so consider yourself warned. ...This unprovoked post shows the "be nice" and "respect others" door swings ONE way. I find this insulting attack inappropriate, ESPECIALLY for a 'first warning.' Also, I note no actual OFFENSES listed in the post against me -- just vitrolic spewing and vendetta. Just like 60if: ATTACK, INSULT, BAN. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF; read her post. She would "love nothing more than to ban me;" this only a FEW DAYS after this site even started! That indicates predisposed bias and hateful attitude. I am grateful I belong to Mcca4ever; a forum where the administrators conduct themselves like the ADULTS they are, and extend respect to ALL members. What a concept! No one has ever been WARNED and attacked THERE by administration in recent memory... So, as long as "some" administrators wallow in settling old scores and abusing their new-found 'Power,' yes, this site WAS a bad idea. 'Only the Truth' indeed.
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