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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 31, 2004 13:06:54 GMT -5
I sat down this evening & watched Help dvd thru. It's hard to believe that it's been almost 40 yrs since I last watched this silly movie! Anyway, I froze a few scenes thru the movie & JPM's eyes look very brown to me, even in the one scene when they seemed a little lighter..... but those eyes are brown... this dvd has a very clear picture. That's clearly what I see EB. They certainly look brown in that movie although I have yet to see the scene coming out of the tank that Kazu talked about(which I plan on as soon as I get the chance.) Supposedly, they look hazel in that scene. We'll see. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by kazu on Jul 31, 2004 17:58:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the discussion, guys. I am still washing some 60if remnants off my back. I hope to get deeper into more real PID info soon. To be completely honest about my stance, I am PIA because it makes more logical sense to start with, but some compelling PID evidence makes me continue looking. So I am not really trying to convince anyone but myself about either side. Of all the evidence, only the eye color really bothers me at times. The reason being, I can reproduce every other photo distortion (ears, eye placement, etc...) or even show that Faul does not match Faul many times over and even Paul does not match Paul many times over. But I have seen shotty images with too great a range in eye color for the post 67 Paul. This is the one thing that gets me. I don't think it proves anything yet, but it just bugs me. Currently I am researching the various types of flash bulbs used in the last 30 years.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jul 31, 2004 19:25:46 GMT -5
I am interested in finding THE truth and I believe I found it....a long time ago. ;D Being as objective as possible is what led me to this truth. That's how I see it and there's nothing that can change that. Not because I am being stubborn, but because I haven't seen any evidence supporting PIA that even compares to the evidence supporting PID. It's crystal clear. Yes exactly. At this point in time, I would find it MUCH more difficult to believe that it's really been just one guy all this time. Unless he was a shape-shifter! Once ya go over the Beatles history again, this time including PID, everything makes much more sense. The most obvious changes being the change in appearance.... Different colored eyes, taller, & a different shaped head with the eyes closer together. Drugs can't do that. Then the drastic change in music & sound. What happened to those famous harmonies? They stopped in 66. That is not brought up often enough. Why would the most famous harmonies in the world just stop if they were both still there? All the Beatles boyish personalities changed & darkened in 67. George mentions in Anthology about "something" happening in 66 that changed everything. And it certainly wasn't a good thing. And Sgt.Pepper.... why would they do that if they weren't in mourning.? There are way too many drastic changes here to be entirely attributed to drugs. Add in all the other visual clues & audio clues & the fact that everybody in the "inner circle" claim that 100% of all clues are either coincidence, accidents. or mistakes. That claim is so unbelievable that it raises red flags immediatly. Maybe some "clues", but ALL OF THEM? No way! And just the simple fact that they broke up so early. Those guys really loved each other & the REAL JPM loved his life as a Beatle most of all. He was one of the most enthusiastic & talented performers around... it's obvious watching the Ed Sullivan show. It doesn't make sense that he would want that to end after only 6yrs in the limelight. The REAL Beatles would've been fixed by a short seperation. No, once I finally saw the difference in the 2 men, there ain't no goin' back.
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Post by LarryC on Jul 31, 2004 22:27:44 GMT -5
There are a few points I would disagree with you on eyesbleed, but I will only focus on one of them...that is the harmonies. I think, and this is my own opinion, that the harmonies not only remained but they got even better...particularly the 3 and 4 part jobs they did...songs like Because and Here Comes The *cough* Sun King...these are some really really tight harmonies which I think they hit all the notes on as well, if not better, than say Yes It Is or Nowhere Man.
Composition has something to do with it as well and I will agree that the music DID change...but everyone's music was changing...some much more than others, and those that remained the same were left behind in the industry...not to mention the quality of sound recording and techniques used as it evolved got better, and this is JMO again.
But the one thing that remained the same with the Beatles is their ability to craft some great tunage together. Let's face it, even though there was a measure of success after the break up, none of their individual musics could ever hold a candle to the work they did together and I think this HAS to be due to the personnel working on each of their projects. Some people will get caught up in comparing each one's level of success as a solo act and say one was more successful than the other, but in reality they all stunk as solo acts compared to the Beatles. When they reunited for Free As A Bird, there was a certain quality to the sound which was crafted and engineered that was just so Beatles...they even commented on the Anthology that they were just able to work together so well because they'd basically grown up together. The amazing thing to me about FAAB is what they made out of what they had to work with. It was great!
The height issue...well...that's a red herring. There are too many conflicting post-1967 pictures to conclude he got taller...and I think there are more that prove otherwise than there are that will confirm it. And I'll stop there because I've exceded my self-alloted number of points ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 1, 2004 7:57:50 GMT -5
There are a few points I would disagree with you on eyesbleed, but I will only focus on one of them...that is the harmonies. I think, and this is my own opinion, that the harmonies not only remained but they got even better Excellent response from the great LarryC. Actually I almost didn't post that because I did not want to start a point/counterpoint endless debate over specifics like the height issue. We can argue this till hell freezes over but that usually doesn't go anywhere but 'round & 'round. Runnin' in circles like that becomes pointless after a while coz most of us are not gonna be swayed one way or another. Who knows if JPM really died in 66, but I feel certain that he was replaced. Well I guess I'm fairly certain that he did indeed die, due to the darker personalities, the Sgt.P grave, etc etc. OK... harmonies. Yes, they still harmonized together & it probably did get technically better..... but it CHANGED. The John/Paul harmonies were the same on everything up thru Revolver, then it changed. Maybe some of the harmonizing got beter.... more Beach Boys-esque, but it was not the same & never would be again. There's something wrong with that picture. But the one thing that remained the same with the Beatles is their ability to craft some great tunage together. Well..... not really. The white album was a patchwork of a bunch of solo album-type material. I don't see much teamwork on the white album. Then they forced it on themselves to make Abbey Rd. & they couldn't do it again. That's because the Lennon/McC chemistry was gone. LIB was a disaster. I say the REAL Beatles would've been able to carry on for yrs & would've outdone the Stones easily. ....Beatles...they even commented on the Anthology that they were just able to work together so well because they'd basically grown up together. Yes exactly..... that's why the early breakup doesn't make any sense. They loved what they were doin' much more than most bands. The height issue...well...that's a red herring. There are too many conflicting post-1967 pictures to conclude he got taller...and I think there are more that prove otherwise than there are that will confirm it. And I'll stop there because I've exceded my self-alloted number of points ;D Ya... this is where I was afraid we'd start runnin' in circles. I feel fairly certain that Bill's taller than JPM (as illustrated on Sgt.P) but the main picture that stumps me on this issue is the MMT pic where all 4 are in the white suits, doin' their little shuffle dance. But overall, I gotta say I think there's more pics showing a height change than not. Well, I can only debate so long.....There's a day's worth of chores waitin' for me to get off my ass, & finish my coffee!
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 1, 2004 11:58:27 GMT -5
The most obvious changes being the change in appearance.... Different colored eyes, taller, & a different shaped head with the eyes closer together. Drugs can't do that. Good points EB. I would like to add the difference in the speaking voice. JP had a rich, deep, bassy voice with a noticeably distinct accent. Faul's voice was higher pitched with a different lighter accent and also much more animated (like he is always telling a story, no pun intended). JMO. For a back to back comparison check out Anthology Episode 1 chapter 11 at 59:20 thru 59:59.
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 1, 2004 12:49:44 GMT -5
Ya, the difference in voices is another point. I also forgot to add the sudden stop of touring to my list of points. It's obvious watching Ed Sullivan that JPM loved playing his songs for people more than anything in the world. Much more so than most artists. So I find it very hard to believe that he would want to stop touring because the music was getting too complicated. First off, I don't think there is any music too complicated for those guys. They woulda figured out a way to pull it off. Hell, The Beach Boys played Good Vibrations live all the time back then, & The Beach Boys had nothing over The Beatles. So for me, that excuse for not touring makes no sense what-so-ever.
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Post by revolver on Aug 1, 2004 16:27:54 GMT -5
It's interesting what happens when you make Faul's skin as yellow as Paul's The proof that these are two different eyes is right in front of you. Notice the pigmentation is very different. Paul's iris is very clear and free of variations in pigmentation. The only dark area is a reflection of an eyelash. Paul's however, is splotchy and irregular, besides being darker. Paul's photo is grainier but that doesn't account for the obvious differences in pigmentation.
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Post by kazu on Aug 2, 2004 17:00:23 GMT -5
I actually would have to see a clearer image of Paul. Also, I would have to see them in a similar light intensity. The "Faul" eye has a smaller pupil. I can't tell what color would be dominant in his eye had his irus opened up his pupil. I see more hints of brown in his eye closer to his pupil. I have an image on my site. It is a bit dark, but in it, i see multiple colors in Paul's eyes. www.paulisnotdead.com/index-2.php?secct=pind&toppic=pind&subbt=eyes&pagge=2
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Post by matchbox on Aug 15, 2004 11:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 15, 2004 14:04:05 GMT -5
All you're showing is eye color that's all over the place, so I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make. Are you saying that photographic evidence is not of much use for this purpose? Yeah I'll concede that. I've got four versions of the Hey Jude video that make Ringo look like he's got brown eyes, so what does that prove. Either he had the same eye color anyway, or used tinted contacts, who knows.
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Post by matchbox on Aug 15, 2004 15:35:20 GMT -5
I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make. My point is that Paul was quoted in the vintage magazine that his eyes were really hazel. Everyone here still says that they were brown. I believe that Paul knows what color his own eyes are, that's all
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Post by SimMHoward on Sept 4, 2004 18:58:45 GMT -5
eyes aren't good for comparison anyway, I've got brown eyes, and the closer you are to me the lighter shade my eyes appear, when I wear my glasses it makes them look lighter, I also have a pair of contacts that can make my eyes blue, I'm fairly sure that it has been stated here that Paul wore contacts, so maybe his eyes were like mine, or maybe he wore contacts to change their color, or maybe they really were hazel and PID is false....
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 4, 2004 19:41:13 GMT -5
Also lighting effects eyes color.
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