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Feb 29, 2004 18:07:58 GMT -5
Post by SimMHoward on Feb 29, 2004 18:07:58 GMT -5
Not ruling out just looking at a photo and determining it yourself, I think we can say that all fades and such are not right, as you can find as many that match as ones that don't
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Mar 1, 2004 9:15:41 GMT -5
Post by Spanky on Mar 1, 2004 9:15:41 GMT -5
Yes you can find may pictures to prove paul is alive and well roaming the globe at random but you can also find many pictures that can't be explained away so easily. thats why we are all here.
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Mar 2, 2004 12:51:42 GMT -5
Post by LarryC on Mar 2, 2004 12:51:42 GMT -5
I have looked at, and actually made, so many fading pics over the past several weeks that I cannot look at pics of Paul anymore without seeing comparisons...I am smitten with the fading picture bug in a very bad way. Is there an organization that I can turn to for help...like FPAA (Fading Picutures Artists Anonimous)? I'm doing it in my sleep! HELP ME!
The problem with making photo comparisons is there are very few, if any, where the camera angles, ie elevation and azmuth, and the position of the head and shoulders are the same. The slightest variation of any of these factors will cause certain elements to look different, even when comparing two pics from pre-1966 Paul. If his head is tilted back a little more on one, you see more nostrills and earlobes, even with the older pics, and when they fade into each other it looks peculiar. I'm sick of fading pictures...I'm sick of them...but I'm addicted to them...HELP ME SOMEONE!
LOL!
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Mar 2, 2004 13:56:15 GMT -5
Post by lj on Mar 2, 2004 13:56:15 GMT -5
LOL LarryC... ok, just take your hands off the keabord. and start walking away from the computer... ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes, i agree "evidence" (eeeeek) can't be based on a few fades or animations or whatever name you use. and it's true that you can find pics that prove both arguments... BUT. why is it so easy to match the other three's pics and it's so hard, sometimes, to do the same with paul's?. yes, i know about camera angle, and lenses and light, and even make up. but there are some pics that have *almost* the same conditions pre and post 66 and still won't match. while it's way easier doing that with john, george and ringo.
still.... i agree that no argument can be based JUST on that. it needs to be accompanied by other things... like... what? mmmm give me some time to think. i need some more coffee. ;D
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Mar 2, 2004 15:57:08 GMT -5
Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 2, 2004 15:57:08 GMT -5
Because you've been looking at the right pictures of the other three because those are the ones you've been directed to.
Hey, Larry -- post that fade picture of the infamous 60IF Sgt. Pepper picture where you show how much it was stretched with all four of the lads.
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Mar 2, 2004 16:35:20 GMT -5
Post by xpt626 on Mar 2, 2004 16:35:20 GMT -5
...Because you've been looking at the right pictures of the other three because those are the ones you've been directed to.... actually, many of these are photos from vintage sources that we actually own.
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Mar 2, 2004 17:09:10 GMT -5
Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 2, 2004 17:09:10 GMT -5
Cool! Post those you've been having trouble reconciling with PIA and we'll see if we can debunk 'em or not.
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Mar 2, 2004 22:35:12 GMT -5
Post by LarryC on Mar 2, 2004 22:35:12 GMT -5
Hey, Larry -- post that fade picture of the infamous 60IF Sgt. Pepper picture where you show how much it was stretched with all four of the lads. Tell ya what...how about if I just post a URL. www.tlcgraphic.com/paul2.html The fade you mention is on that page of my website. I have been running into bandwidth problems lately...that is why my avatar is the way it is here I'm gonna look into some free storage space on the site mentioned in the rules board of this forum.
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Mar 15, 2004 9:43:01 GMT -5
Post by OceanChild on Mar 15, 2004 9:43:01 GMT -5
It was the photo comparisons that first got me interested, but after a little while I found it more and more difficult to believe. I didn't understand why they were done they way they were done - eg lining up the bottom of the nose when everyone knows the cartilage can be changed in a nose job... And pictures of people don't always look like they are the same person... I mean, is there a Mark Hamill conspiracy? We *know* Mark Hamill was in a motorbike accident between Star Wars and Empire and it did some pretty bad damage to his face. He looks *very* different when you compare him in Star Wars and Empire - mere years apart- and looks even *more* different all these years later. Why is it inconceivable that Paul was in a moped accident AND had plastic surgery... and that's why he looks so strange?
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Mar 15, 2004 12:38:16 GMT -5
Post by Spanky on Mar 15, 2004 12:38:16 GMT -5
Thats a good point Oceanchild but its not just the changing of his appearance, its all the other little things that make up the big picture.
Also I bet if you compared pictures of mark hamill now to pictures of him years ago his eyes would still line up because that is something you can't change with plastic surgery.
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Mar 15, 2004 12:45:10 GMT -5
Post by xpt626 on Mar 15, 2004 12:45:10 GMT -5
also, Paul was seen in public many times after the moped accident with no significant changes to his look. Then when his look did change, it was over a very short period of time.
Same with the "weight loss" explanations. For instance, Meat Loaf has lost a LOT of poundage since he first became famous, but he doesn't look like a "different person".
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Mar 15, 2004 12:56:41 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Mar 15, 2004 12:56:41 GMT -5
Same with the "weight loss" explanations. For instance, Meat Loaf has lost a LOT of poundage since he first became famous, but he doesn't look like a "different person". You can say the same thing about Brian Wilson. You can take a younger pic from 63-64, & a pic 4 or 5 yrs later when he's very fat & totally screwed up, & then take a recent pic where he's very slender again & much older. It's still obvious that all 3 pics are of the same man.
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Mar 15, 2004 18:10:21 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Mar 15, 2004 18:10:21 GMT -5
The thing is, from this still from the "Paperback Writer" video, we see a scarred lip and a front tooth that needs fixing. I don't pretend to know anything about plastic surgery, but isn't this just a little touch up job?
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Mar 16, 2004 16:23:20 GMT -5
Post by eggy on Mar 16, 2004 16:23:20 GMT -5
Here is another pic of Paul with his tooth broken but without lips scar from Help video How many accidents he had?
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Mar 16, 2004 17:12:01 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Mar 16, 2004 17:12:01 GMT -5
I mean, is there a Mark Hamill conspiracy? Just for fun, here's the overlay: Even with the differences in camera angles, ages and surgery, they seem to match pretty well.
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Mar 16, 2004 18:53:12 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Mar 16, 2004 18:53:12 GMT -5
When was the Day In The Life Video filmed? I think I've seen on the web sometime in early 1967, that needs to be checked. This is a repost of some stills from a bootleg of that video, The quality is rough and the color is washed out, but it still shows a Paul Mccartney that sure looks different from less than a half year earlier. There are 12 stills in all, so it's not looking for the "most unflattering" one on my part, they all are unflattering... First, a couple of frames from the Anthology version, the only place in that version I could find a shot showing the same (left) side of his face. Clik on this URL to see the bootleg version stills: www.jojoplace.org/MovedPages/DayInTheLifeStills2/dayinlifestills.html
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Mar 16, 2004 19:16:33 GMT -5
Post by TKIN on Mar 16, 2004 19:16:33 GMT -5
The "anthology" makers did a before/after great job
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Feb 20, 2015 14:40:03 GMT -5
Post by silverbeatle on Feb 20, 2015 14:40:03 GMT -5
From FEBRUARY 1967
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Mar 14, 2015 15:46:25 GMT -5
Post by whammo on Mar 14, 2015 15:46:25 GMT -5
You know, not to get this thread off track (10+ years later) but that Preston Nichol's book "The Music of Time" has some really strange stories about Mark Hamill and his brother.
"It was during this time period that one of my friends in the neighborhood band said his cousin would be very interested in my ESP research. This cousin turned out to be Mark Hamill who I was already familiar with as described earlier. At that time, Mark was a member of a recording group called the "Ohio Express." He volunteered for some of my experiments and we hit it off and became friends. He had a very deep interest in the occult, metaphysics, ESP and all types of psychic phenomena. Originally, he lived in Ohio and would visit his family on Long Island. When he did, we would get together and discuss all sorts of different subjects. I tried to develop his ESP. We pooled our information and sought out many different types of occultism.
Mark was extremely mystical. He consulted astrologers and was always looking for patterns in numbers and names. Mark was not only a metaphysician, he was a gifted and prolific lyricist. He was an extremely talented musician as well and eventually starred on Broadway as Mozart in Amadeus. One of the reasons he was chosen for the role was that his musicianship was flawless. He also had the petulant personality that fit the role of Mozart exactly. He could basically be himself. Although he was offered the role for the movie, he turned it down. Perhaps he did not realize what a big hit it would become or did not want to be typecast in the role. I do not really know what his reasons were, but I saw his performance at least two times and it was excellent.
Before I got to know Mark very well, I was already acquainted with his older brother Chuck, an even more gifted musician. Chuck had been hanging around the studio for some time because he wanted to break into the music business. He had always demonstrated a great interest in electronics, audio systems and weird technology. Chuck was more of a technician than Mark and was down-to-earth. Sometimes he thought his brother was a complete idiot with his head in the clouds. I helped Chuck understand his brother, and I think I kept them in a decent brother relationship. There were times when he would have abandoned Mark had I not stepped in.
Chuck was also very interested in time travel and used to talk to me about it. He asked me if I knew anything about time travel technology or making a time machine. Whenever this subject came up,I could only joke about it. He took it quite seriously and said I would be the one making a time machine for the private sector in the future. When I asked him how he knew this, all he said was that "he had seen it." If I did not know him better at the time, I would have thought that he was just one of the kids in the neighborhood trying to wind up the "scientific nerd" (meaning me) in the community to see what he could get him going on. This was not the case however because he had tremendous respect for my technical abilities. After all, I was the one who made his recordings work.
Since those early years, I have also spoken to quite a few people who believe Chuck to be a time traveler. He was always interested in cutting-edge technology and eventually became very involved in the intelligence community. As I became involved with the Hamills, I began to record their music. I had access to Studio A and Chuck was already familiar with the studio set-up from hanging around. The first record I produced for them was "Beg, Borrow and Steal" which was released by Cameo in October 1967 under the name "Ohio Express." Even though this record made the charts, it did not bring us instant success."
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Post by whammo on Mar 16, 2015 1:44:58 GMT -5
I always thought that "Imagine" mosaic was a stylized black sun.
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"Center of the New World"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(occult_symbol)#The_Wewelsburg_mosaicThe mosaic is located in the ground floor room of the North-Tower of the castle, in the so-called Obergruppenführersaal ("Obergruppenführer hall", completed 1939-1943). ("Obergruppenführer" (literally: "Upper-Group-Leader") was the SS-rank parallel to General in the Wehrmacht or Lieutenant-General in the US and British armies.) It is not known if the SS had a special name for the ornament, or if they attributed a special meaning to it. However, the sun wheel is significant for the Germanic light-and-sun mysticism which was propagated by the SS. In their studies on sense characters, the sun apart was interpreted as "the strongest and most visible expression of god", the number twelve as significant for "the things of the target and the completion". The mosaic at Wewelsburg itself is dark green (see two photos: top view and close-up in high-resolution) on a whitish/greyish marble floor. Probably a golden disc was originally located in the middle of the ornamentlol
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lol
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