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Post by Morph on Sept 3, 2004 2:50:26 GMT -5
You can see the top of his moustache in that pic, so it's "Faul". Yes, that's a Strawberry Fields shot. I was referring to FOTH...the closeup shots of the eyes...I don't see a moustache in my copy. FOTH cuts from a face shot of Faul, shaven, to those eyes, but I'm thinking that's older footage of Paul spliced in ..
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Post by JoJo on Sept 6, 2004 16:40:24 GMT -5
Morph, is this what you are talking about?
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Post by Morph on Sept 7, 2004 11:57:11 GMT -5
JoJo, yes! Wow, I never noticed it before in Hey Jude, but that's what I'm seeing. Thanks for the video caps. Additionally, Hey Jude stills and the SFF shot above drive home the eye spacing issue, very valuable because they're early footage. If you measure the width, corner to corner, of Faul's left eye (his right) and transfer that to the space between the eyes, it falls short of that distance, much shorter than with Paul (his is practically the same distance). I used a piece of paper held up to the screen and some tick marks on several shots where the eye detail is clear, and it's consistent with Paul. Faul is another story. Amazing what a trip to Africa will do to someone, huh? ;D
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Post by JoJo on Sept 7, 2004 15:15:48 GMT -5
The eye spacing issue is a toughie, cause fades have been done, pixel measurements, oh boy! Both sides have felt their demos showed what they were trying to show, and it didn't end up being much help really. (this is going wayyy back) The only thing that maybe could be worth something is a face mapping using multiple intersecting lines and the laws of geometry/trigonometry. So far no one has had the ambition to take that task on, for my part, it would mean revisiting a subject I haven't studied in over 25 years.. ;D
But that eye fold business is something worth looking into, I'll try to work on it when I have some time. There were a lot of takes on Hey Jude, just gotta find some good clear close ups of pre 67 Paul.
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Post by Morph on Sept 8, 2004 14:07:25 GMT -5
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Post by matchbox on Sept 8, 2004 16:06:16 GMT -5
ut that eye fold business is something worth looking into, I'll try to work on it when I have some time. There were a lot of takes on Hey Jude, just gotta find some good clear close ups of pre 67 Paul. The eye folds thing is a good idea. But you are right, getting a good clear closeup of Paul pre-'67 is tough. Here is a quick comparison I did. But I will try to get something less grainy.
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 8, 2004 16:56:53 GMT -5
That bottom pic of Paul looks stretched.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 8, 2004 17:02:20 GMT -5
Not especially, but it will be better to do it using video, perhaps an cropped animated gif of the eye area. Takes time, maybe this weekend.
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Post by matchbox on Sept 8, 2004 17:03:29 GMT -5
That bottom pic of Paul looks stretched. Actually, it's the PID/PWR theory that's looking more and more stretched all the time. ;D The eyes have it. Or at least the folds in the eyelids.
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Post by revolver on Sept 8, 2004 18:17:18 GMT -5
Actually, it's the PID/PWR theory that's looking more and more stretched all the time. ;D The eyes have it. Or at least the folds in the eyelids. No, the ears have it. They don't match in any comparisons I've seen so far.
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Post by Red Lion on Sept 8, 2004 18:32:44 GMT -5
If indeed this was the same man this fade should be almost seamless. However the cornea shape is different and the bridge of the nose isnt even close.
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 8, 2004 19:31:10 GMT -5
No, the ears have it. They don't match in any comparisons I've seen so far. Also, if you pay attention, you can see Faul's face is thinner.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 8, 2004 20:41:51 GMT -5
No, the ears have it. They don't match in any comparisons I've seen so far. Neither does the neck. It seems to me that if it was indeed only one single person all these yrs, that it would be easy to have dozens of absolutely seemless fades.... yet none of them are perfect. FP gets the booby-prize for getting the closest tho! Hands down......
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 7:04:37 GMT -5
Neither does the neck. It seems to me that if it was indeed only one single person all these yrs, that it would be easy to have dozens of absolutely seemless fades.... yet none of them are perfect. FP gets the booby-prize for getting the closest tho! Hands down...... Thanks EB, but I don't see what's wrong with that fade, when I showed you guys that Paul's ears didn't match his own ears. And this matches perfectly. The head shape, the expression, the eyes, the ears stick out the same.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 9, 2004 7:32:17 GMT -5
Thanks EB, but I don't see what's wrong with that fade, when I showed you guys that Paul's ears didn't match his own ears. And this matches perfectly. The head shape, the expression, the eyes, the ears stick out the same. Well, that may be good in yer eyes, but it's certainly no match. You've got it fairly close, but the neck is totally different. JPM's neck is always shorter & thicker. The neck in yer link's fade is WAY off.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 8:17:21 GMT -5
Well, that may be good in yer eyes, but it's certainly no match. You've got it fairly close, but the neck is totally different. JPM's neck is always shorter & thicker. The neck in yer link's fade is WAY off. Since when does the neck have to match up?
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 9, 2004 8:49:39 GMT -5
Since when does the neck have to match up? In making your own points you seem to be missing the obvious. Look at how well the ears match up for instance.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 9:00:47 GMT -5
In making your own points you seem to be missing the obvious. Look at how well the ears match up for instance. Okay, the ears match up in that animation. But we're talking about the neck.
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Post by SuzyQ on Sept 9, 2004 11:01:37 GMT -5
Hi, all. I've been a member here for quite awhile, but have never posted. I've noticed FP et. al. go round and round trying to prove their cases using visual info on its own merit. Don't forget, tho, that the visuals are only part of the whole body of evidence. The vocals are equally if not more convincing. Together, the visual discrepancies coupled with the vocal changes make a great case.
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Post by revolver on Sept 9, 2004 13:24:56 GMT -5
Okay, the ears match up in that animation. But we're talking about the neck. Matching the ears is much more significant than matching the neck. The neck angle can change based on posture and head rotation. That's what we see in your latest fade. Even still, the neck size is clearly the same in both photos. Once more, this fade img36.exs.cx/img36/7861/Paul67Fade.gifdoesn't prove anything about the ears since Faul's hair covers both ears almost completely. Look at the shots of Bill's ears from the Mal Evans home movie. It's pretty obvious they don't stick out like Paul's.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 13:36:31 GMT -5
Matching the ears is much more significant than matching the neck. The neck angle can change based on posture and head rotation. That's what we see in your latest fade. Even still, the neck size is clearly the same in both photos. Yeah, that's what I've been trying to tell Eyesbleeds. ^ Kazu's comparison.
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Post by revolver on Sept 9, 2004 13:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I've been trying to tell Eyesbleeds. ^ Kazu's comparison. First, that looks to me like a stretched photo of Paul or else Faul is compressed vertically or both. Second, I think he left part of Paul's left ear in the Faul shot. Please post the original Faul photo so we can tell for sure. Third, both of Faul's ears are mostly covered.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 14:01:30 GMT -5
First, that looks to me like a stretched photo of Paul or else Faul is compressed vertically or both. Second, I think he left part of Paul's left ear in the Faul shot. Please post the original Faul photo so we can tell for sure. Third, both of Faul's ears are mostly covered. Ask Kazu for the fade's statisics. I'll go through the all pics posted in the "Paul McCartney" board, and see if I can find one that matches one of those, and make a fade of it.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 9, 2004 14:46:16 GMT -5
Okay, picture 1 not streched and the ears were not cut off. And guess what? I was able to match it with THE SAME PIC. What Kazu did was darken the pic, so it would match the lighting of the "Faul" pic more. Am I right Kazu?
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Post by matchbox on Sept 9, 2004 15:04:00 GMT -5
It's kind of sad that any time there is a good match that there are always the obligitory comments of how one of the photos looks stretched or compressed. It's beginning to sound more like a reflex reaction than an observation.
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