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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 12, 2007 20:59:37 GMT -5
That's an understatement Mommybird.
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Post by tafultong on Aug 15, 2007 13:34:30 GMT -5
Thanks JoJo, I didn't know that. But it makes perfect sense to me that Phaul would worship her. You just never know where that skanky goddess will turn up: EZ I thought this picture might be relevant to this conversation. Can anyone identify the statue on the right?
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Post by ccinri on Aug 15, 2007 18:18:35 GMT -5
wow!...where did you find this picture?
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Post by mommybird on Aug 15, 2007 18:45:41 GMT -5
Is that Patty with George ? George looks very handsome in that photo.
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Post by tafultong on Aug 15, 2007 21:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by ccinri on Aug 15, 2007 23:23:40 GMT -5
thanks tafultong!
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Post by openmind on Aug 16, 2007 2:03:25 GMT -5
the fellow in bottom right?
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Post by tafultong on Aug 16, 2007 7:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by B on May 5, 2008 11:53:13 GMT -5
In the opening post, Jojo wrote: "Back to the Egg, a Wings album from 1979, has a song called "The Broadcast". It's essentially a man making a speech with piano music playing in the background, and it is from a play by John Galsworthy called "The Little Man". I'm still wondering about the meaning, here's a link to the play:
www.gutenberg.org/files/2919/old/ltman10.txt
To summarize, the "little man" boards the train with a baby he is holding as a favor to the mother, but she gets left behind and the man is stuck taking care of the baby. They reach the next station, and because of a language barrier between the little man and the police, he is falsely accused of kidnapping. Finally the mother shows up and clears things up, and "The American" makes this speech (the lyrics to "The Broadcast") at the feet of the "little man".
Brother, I am proud to know you. This is one of the greatest moments I have ever experienced. I think I sense the situation when we can all esteem it, and honour, To breathe the rather inferior atmosphere in this station Here along with our little friend.
I guess we should all go home and treasure the memory of his face As the whitest thing in our museum of recollection. And, perhaps, this good woman will also go home And wash the face of our little brother here.
I'm inspired with a new faith in mankind. Ladies and gentlemen, I wish to present to you A sure enough saint only one a halo to be transferred. Stand right on.
Except "The Broadcast" adds a few lines before the above speech from the play:
We're got a chance and we'll take it; We may win or we may lose; We may even have to cut and run for it. Well, it won't be the first time I've run And it won't be the first time I've been caught. It's the game that matters.
Which doesn't seem to be from anything I can find, other than the lyrics themselves. There's something there, just can't quite...put my finger on it..-------------------------------------------------------------------At the Rotten Apple thread today, I wrote:"rxl at 'PID - MIss Him' points out that: "Well in the song 'Only Mama Knows' (Bill) claims he was found in an airport lounge as a baby." If he was cloned from a dead pharaoh, he would have had to have been adopted and raised by somebody. In light of this, the strange song "The Broadcast", discussed here by Jojo: (first post) invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=TAR&thread=3290&page=1makes a kind of sense. That is to say, the scenario of a man and a baby on a train may parallel some type of real event in an airport that describes Faul's "adoption". (More commentary coming soon at the "Back To the Egg" thread.) Anyway, here's what may be significant: If Faul was born of "a dead man", then "turn me on, dead man" may be a reference to Faul! But we see clones (plural) suggested in the image above, and there is the statement: " Paul is a deadman; miss him, miss him, miss him" on the White Album. So Paul, and Faul, may be clones of the "dead man", and might rightfully be called "dead man". Even if they are still alive. "--------------------------------------Now look at the table of contents of the book, "The Little Man, and Other Satires" by John Galsworthy. We have: The Little Man..............................................page 1 Hall-Marked..................................................page 39 The Voice of -------! .....................................page 59 The Dead Man!...........................................page 69 Why Not?............................................page75 Hey Day.............................................page 83 At this point another story called "Studies of Extravagance" is listed, and this is broken down into smaller, numbered (Roman numerals) divisions. Skipping some, we have: IX. The Perfect One...........................................page 172 X. The Competitor........................................page 181 At this point, the index goes back to other short stories: Abracadabra................................................page 197 Hathor: A Memory............................................page 211 Sekhet: A Dream....................................page 217 A Simple Tale......................................page 239 Ultima Thule..........................................page 255 source: tinyurl.com/3sul5p-----------------------------------------[/b] "Well I just had to look, having read the book."I have to wonder: is this "the book"? Sure looks like it could be! Are the table of contents an outline for the whole PID scenario? It is worth noting that there is a parallel to Moses being found by "Pharaoh's daughter" floating in the Nile, and a cloned Faul possibly being found at an airport. Implicitly there may be a message that Faul (and possibly Paul) are "sons" of Moses. Sons of "the magickian". (edited to shorten long URL)
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 12:21:20 GMT -5
baby is left in an inorganic mineral enviorment ( the train, the Iron Horse) swaddled. " One Egyptian word for coffin is the same as the word for ‘eggshell’. This evokes the metaphor of the dead person bursting reborn out of his coffin but is also a suitable term to refer to the extremely delicate cartonnage mummy cases, which crack and crumble easily under rough treatment. "http://www.boltonmuseums.org.uk/news/boltoncoffinstravel the heron makes his nest starting with a few twigs, adding on over the years. spooky movie, don't watch if you are a fraidy cat like me ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4gh6BEPN8Qmore on the heron and mythology... www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/heron_moor.htm"Take a heron; lete him blode as a crane, And serue him in al poyntes as a crane, in scalding, drawing, and kuttyng the bone of the nekke awey, And lete the skyn be on, & c.; roste him and sause him as be Crane; breke awey the bone fro the kne to the fote, And lete the skyn be on . . . his sauce is to be mynced with pouder of gynger, vynegre, & Mustard". The name 'Old Nog' comes from a heron who was a character who appeared in Henry Williamson's book, Tarka the Otter. It has always fascinated me as to what the origins of the name were and why it should be given to a heron. Tír na nÓg, can be found in early Irish mythology and refers to the 'Land of Eternal Youth', nÓg being the 'youth' element, but why this should apply to a heron escapes me. The Old English word 'nög' is an adjective meaning 'enough' or 'abundant', both are not representative of a heron. " egg nog, any one? nog your head.... silkstreet.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/china-2008-olympic-stadium-beijing-birds-nest/
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 12:47:14 GMT -5
I have to wonder: is this "the book"? Sure looks like it could be! Are the table of contents an outline for the whole PID scenario? It is worth noting that there is a parallel to Moses being found by "Pharaoh's daughter" floating in the Nile, and a cloned Faul possibly being found at an airport. Implicitly there may be a message that Faul (and possibly Paul) are "sons" of Moses. Sons of "the magickian". if a man was a man, but still dead he is two at once. Both alive and dead. the egg has the organic life inside, surrounded by a mineral form.... it too is both alive and dead.Set adrift, or in motion. Cocooned in some fashion. Rosemary's baby in her carriage, Moses in the basket, a baby in an airport lounge, wings back in the egg opening the outer lock to be born. in the Phoenix /heron myth, the heron seal the organics to decompose inside the egg, before it is reborn, and it's mother combusted in the ash.
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 14:55:10 GMT -5
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Post by thisone on May 5, 2008 16:15:35 GMT -5
A test tube baby from the recovered organs of a pharoah! That photo of George and Patti looks a little faked - to me! Could be wrong!
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 18:38:10 GMT -5
A test tube baby from the recovered organs of a pharoah! That photo of George and Patti looks a little faked - to me! Could be wrong! A test tube baby from the recovered organs of a pharoah indeed, and exactly heron's wings and the pharoah
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 23:25:04 GMT -5
the First and Second Standards are of a bird sitting on what looks like a set-square, which is the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyph for "Pharaoh". The word "Pharaoh" which we use today actually comes from the Hebrew, meaning "Sun". I incredibly "Par" or "Peor" also means "Opening" and "Mountain". The words "Sun" and "Opening" and "Mountain" are immediately associated with Precession of the Equinoxes. ancientegypt.hypermart.net/fourstandards/index.htm and the eastern bird is the Phoenix. www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/hillary_lapel_pin.htm
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Post by iameye on May 6, 2008 7:58:42 GMT -5
rivers of ash, urns of gold, reduce, reuse, recycle. ALCHEMY (from the Greek, chemeia, "chemistry", the Arabic, al kimya, "the chemistry", or the Egyption, khemeia, "the preparation of black ore"): A form of ceremonial magick commonly believed to be focused on the transmutation of base metals into precious metals (e.g.: converting lead to gold). The ultimate goal of the Alchemist is to transform the chaotic primordial First Matter (the Khem) into perfection; a goal that is accomplished through spiritual enlightenment. pharoah fade this swan to black Modified to fix picture widths
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Post by iameye on May 6, 2008 10:05:40 GMT -5
Paul McCartney used a non-reverse Firebird on his first solo album, McCartney and also on his follow-up, Ram. That's the 'Bird' you hear on his "Maybe I'm Amazed" guitar solo. www.stevemoore.addr.com/hotnews.html
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Post by iameye on May 6, 2008 10:29:26 GMT -5
now, let's look to the sky meet the neighbors of the fire-bird: Phoenix (abbr. Phe, gen. Phoenicis) The Firebird. Phoenix is a southern constellation lying near Achernar between Hydrus and Sculptor. Among its interesting objects are SX Phoenicis, the type star for a class of pulsating variable (see SX Phoenicis star), which has the remarkably short period of 79 minutes (magnitude range 6.8 to 7.5; R.A. 23h 46.5m, Dec. -41° 35') and the Phoenix Dwarf irregular galaxy Fornax- the furnace achernar (Alpha Eridani)
Achernar is extremely flattened by its rapid spin. Image: ESO The ninth brightest star in the sky but one that is not well known to northern observers as it can only be seen at latitudes below 32° N. Its name, derived from the Arabic Al Ahir al Nahr, means "river's end" and refers to its location at the southernmost point of the constellation Eridanus. AchernarAchernar's high spin velocity of at least 250 km/s has led to it becoming a Be star. Observations by the Very Large Telescope, published in 2003, reveal that it is extraordinarily flattened, with an equatorial radius 50% larger than its polar radius. The high degree of flattening measured for Achernar – a first in observational astrophysics – now poses an unprecedented challenge for theoretical astrophysics. The effect can't be reproduced by common models of stellar interiors unless certain phenomena are incorporated, e.g. meridional circulation on the surface ("north-south streams") and non-uniform rotation at different depths inside the star. Achernar also shows small, regular light variations of a type that make it a Lambda Eridani star. Sculptor (constellation) nice name Cetus (pronounced /ˈsiːtəs/, latinized form of Ancient Greek κῆτος - kētos, “ whale, any sea-monster or huge fish”) is a constellation of the northern winter sky, in the region known as the Water, near other watery constellations like Aquarius, Pisces, and Eridanus.Vesta was discovered by the German astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers on March 29, 1807. He allowed the prominent mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss to name the asteroid after the Roman virgin goddess of home and hearth, Vesta. After the discovery of Vesta in 1807, no further asteroids were discovered for 38 years. During this time the four known asteroids were counted among the planets, and each had its own planetary symbol. Vesta was normally represented by a stylized hearth (). Other symbols are and . All are simplifications of the original .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Vesta 4 Vesta (pronounced /ˈvɛstə/, Latin: Vesta) is the second most massive object in the asteroid belt, with a mean diameter of about 530 km (around 330 miles) and an estimated mass of 9% of the mass of the entire asteroid belt. Vesta lost some 1% of its mass in an impact less than one billion years ago. Many fragments of this impact have impacted Earth as HED meteorites, a rich source of evidence about the asteroid.[8] Vesta is the brightest asteroid and its greatest distance from the Sun is only slightly more than the minimum distance of Ceres from the Sun.[9] We're So Sorry Uncle Albert We're So Sorry If We Caused You Any Pain We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But There's No One Left At Home And I Believe I'm Gonna Rain We're So Sorry But We Haven't Heard A Thing All Day We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But If Anything Should Happen We'll Be Sure To Give A Ring We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But We Haven't Done A Bloody Thing All Day We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But The Kettle's On The Boil And We're So Easily Called Away Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Admiral Halsey Notified Me He Had To Have A Berth Or He Couldn't Get To SeaI Had Another Look And I Had A Cup Of Tea And Butter Pie (The Butter Wouldn't Melt So I Put It In The Pie) Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The SkyLive A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around) Get Your Feet Up Off The Ground Live A Little, Get AroundLive A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around) Get Your Feet Up Off The GroundLive A Little, Get Around Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Ooo------------Ooo------------- icons of Vesta, the swan, anything look familiar? sorry so tiny, hearth, flame, pillars, torch arc of a diver, effortlessly, He Had To Have A Berth Or He Couldn't Get To Sea
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Post by iameye on May 6, 2008 17:12:12 GMT -5
phoe·nix also phe·nix n. Mythology A bird in Egyptian mythology that lived in the desert for 500 years and then consumed itself by fire, later to rise renewed from its ashes. A person or thing of unsurpassed excellence or beauty; a paragon. Phoenix A constellation in the Southern Hemisphere near Tucana and Sculptor.[Middle English fenix, from Old English from Old French, both from Medieval Latin fēnix, from Latin phoenix, from Greek phoinix.]
so so close to phoney pho·ny Variant(s): also pho·ney \ˈfō-nē\ Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): pho·ni·er; pho·ni·est Etymology: perhaps alteration of fawney gilded brass ring used in the fawney rig, a confidence game, from Irish fáinne ring, from Old Irish ánne — more at anusDate: 1900 : not genuine or real: as a (1): intended to deceive or mislead (2): intended to defraud : counterfeit b: arousing suspicion : probably dishonest <something phony about the story> c: having no basis in fact : fictitious <phony publicity stories> d: false, sham <a phony name> e: making a false show: as (1): hypocritical (2): specious <has a phony poetic eleganceFelix the Cat, the wonderful, wonderful cat Whenever he gets in a fix, he reaches into his bag of tricks You'll laugh so much your sides will ache Your heart will go pitter pat Watching Felix, the wonderful cat.the black cat magician
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Post by iameye on May 7, 2008 9:54:38 GMT -5
now, let's look to the sky meet the neighbors of the fire-bird: Phoenix (abbr. Phe, gen. Phoenicis) The Firebird. Phoenix is a southern constellation lying near Achernar between Hydrus and Sculptor. Among its interesting objects are SX Phoenicis, the type star for a class of pulsating variable (see SX Phoenicis star), which has the remarkably short period of 79 minutes (magnitude range 6.8 to 7.5; R.A. 23h 46.5m, Dec. -41° 35') and the Phoenix Dwarf irregular galaxy Fornax- the furnace achernar (Alpha Eridani)
Achernar is extremely flattened by its rapid spin. Image: ESO The ninth brightest star in the sky but one that is not well known to northern observers as it can only be seen at latitudes below 32° N. Its name, derived from the Arabic Al Ahir al Nahr, means "river's end" and refers to its location at the southernmost point of the constellation Eridanus. AchernarAchernar's high spin velocity of at least 250 km/s has led to it becoming a Be star. Observations by the Very Large Telescope, published in 2003, reveal that it is extraordinarily flattened, with an equatorial radius 50% larger than its polar radius. The high degree of flattening measured for Achernar – a first in observational astrophysics – now poses an unprecedented challenge for theoretical astrophysics. The effect can't be reproduced by common models of stellar interiors unless certain phenomena are incorporated, e.g. meridional circulation on the surface ("north-south streams") and non-uniform rotation at different depths inside the star. Achernar also shows small, regular light variations of a type that make it a Lambda Eridani star. Sculptor (constellation) nice name Cetus (pronounced /ˈsiːtəs/, latinized form of Ancient Greek κῆτος - kētos, “ whale, any sea-monster or huge fish”) is a constellation of the northern winter sky, in the region known as the Water, near other watery constellations like Aquarius, Pisces, and Eridanus.Vesta was discovered by the German astronomer Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers on March 29, 1807. He allowed the prominent mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss to name the asteroid after the Roman virgin goddess of home and hearth, Vesta. After the discovery of Vesta in 1807, no further asteroids were discovered for 38 years. During this time the four known asteroids were counted among the planets, and each had its own planetary symbol. Vesta was normally represented by a stylized hearth (). Other symbols are and . All are simplifications of the original .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Vesta 4 Vesta (pronounced /ˈvɛstə/, Latin: Vesta) is the second most massive object in the asteroid belt, with a mean diameter of about 530 km (around 330 miles) and an estimated mass of 9% of the mass of the entire asteroid belt. Vesta lost some 1% of its mass in an impact less than one billion years ago. Many fragments of this impact have impacted Earth as HED meteorites, a rich source of evidence about the asteroid.[8] Vesta is the brightest asteroid and its greatest distance from the Sun is only slightly more than the minimum distance of Ceres from the Sun.[9] We're So Sorry Uncle Albert We're So Sorry If We Caused You Any Pain We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But There's No One Left At Home And I Believe I'm Gonna Rain We're So Sorry But We Haven't Heard A Thing All Day We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But If Anything Should Happen We'll Be Sure To Give A Ring We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But We Haven't Done A Bloody Thing All Day We're So Sorry Uncle Albert But The Kettle's On The Boil And We're So Easily Called Away Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Admiral Halsey Notified Me He Had To Have A Berth Or He Couldn't Get To SeaI Had Another Look And I Had A Cup Of Tea And Butter Pie (The Butter Wouldn't Melt So I Put It In The Pie) Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The SkyLive A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around) Get Your Feet Up Off The Ground Live A Little, Get AroundLive A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around) Get Your Feet Up Off The GroundLive A Little, Get Around Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Ooo------------Ooo------------- icons of Vesta, the swan, anything look familiar?
sorry so tiny, hearth, flame, pillars, torch arc of a diver, effortlessly, He Had To Have A Berth Or He Couldn't Get To Sea we need to back track a little to see what's going on here...... in this section of the sky, we have the the furnace, the firebird, the Achernar("river's end" aka 水委一 (Shuǐwěiyī, the First Star of the Crooked Running Water) Ceres- the whale, the cave Vesta, the hearth the sculptor, the foundry all in the "water" constellations ...and one body more of note, eta carinae "Eta Carinae" means the star itself. The " Homunculus Nebula" is the bipolar cloud of debris ejected in the great eruption, portrayed in images such as those from the Hubble Space Telescope."The Keyhole Nebula" is a much larger, nearby diffuse structure. "The Carina Nebula," NGC 3372, is a large, bright star-formation region that produced a number of very massive stars including Eta Carinae. " Trumpler 16" open cluster, to which Eta Carinae belongs, is itself located within the Carina Nebula. The nebula includes other open clusters, for example, Trumpler 14. The Homunculus (which is from the Latin meaning Little Man) is believed to have been ejected in an enormous outburst which Eta Carinae underwent, the light of which reaching Earth in 1841. Following this outburst, Eta Carinae became the second-brightest star in the sky after Sirius, but since this time, the gas and dust it ejected has obscured much of its light. The explosion produced two polar lobes and a large thin equatorial disk, all moving outward at about 1.5 million miles per hour. Future eruptions are still a possibility., The Homunculus Nebula is an emission nebula surrounding the massive star Eta Carinae. The nebula is embedded within a much larger H II region, the Eta Carinae Nebula. Homunculus of alchemy In Carl Jung's studies of Alchemy, he believed the first record of a homunculus in alchemical literature appeared in the Visions of Zosimos, written in the third century AD, although the actual word "homunculus" was never used. In the visions, Zosimos mentions encountering a man who impales him with a sword, and then undergoes "unendurable torment," his eyes become blood, he spews forth his flesh, and changes into "the opposite of himself, into a mutilated anthroparion, and he tore his flesh with his own teeth, and sank into himself," which is a rather grotesque personification of the ouroboros, the dragon that bites its own tail, which represents the dyophysite nature in alchemy: the balance of two principles. Very few people would propose that there actually is a little man in the brain looking at brain activity. However, this proposal has been used as a 'straw man' in theories of mind. Gilbert Ryle (1949) proposed that the human mind is known by its intelligent acts. (see Ryle's Regress). He argued that if there is an inner being inside the brain that could steer its own thoughts then this would lead to an absurd repetitive cycle or "regress" before a thought could occur:Zosimos later encounters several other homunculi, named as the Brazen Man, the Leaden Man, and so forth. Commonly, the homunculi "submit themselves to unendurable torment" and undergo alchemical transformation. Zosimos made no mention of actually creating an artificial human, but rather used the concept of personifying inanimate metals to further explore alchemy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomunculusWhat's in the cloud (puddle) seems to be the "cCartney" part of McCartney, with, possibly, the "M" being the edges of the cloud. What seems to be being represented is that the unshaven, unkempt McCartney in the front is picturing himself as an angel on a cloud, with radiant energy.Imagining himself as "Superman" while, in fact, being a wreck. . Carina = (Ship's Keel) eta carinae is a `Viscera Pisces' or simply the fish bladder, the almond, the ancient symbol of Christianity and more......the magnetic cloud is the little man. The fire man whose light will travel in a line though seven constellations, eta also meaning "seven"....and the seven chakras? carina, carina, where you been for so long? the butter wouldn't melt so I put it in the pyre. Flaming pi.
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Post by iameye on May 7, 2008 10:33:26 GMT -5
the mouth that roars, the foundry, the Phoenix, and the fireman and Toto Golden Earth Girl by Paul McCartney Golden Earth Girl, Female Animal Sings To The Wind, Resting At Sunset In A Mossy Nest Sensing Moonlight In The Air (Moonlight In The Air) Good Clear Water Friend Of Wilderness Sees In The Pool Her Own Reflection. In Another World Someone Over There Is Counting. Fish In A Sunbeam, In Eggshell Seas. Fish In A Sunbeam. Eggshell Finish. Natures Lover Climbs The Primrose Hill, Smiles At The Sky Watching The Sunset From A Mossy Nest. As She Falls Asleep She's Counting ... Fish In A Sunbeam, In Eggshell Seas. Fish In A Sunbeam.
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Post by iameye on May 7, 2008 11:40:40 GMT -5
"To summarize, the "little man" boards the train with a b aby he is holding as a favor to the mother,but she gets left behind and the man is stuck taking care of the baby. They reach the next station, and because of a language barrier between the little man and the police, he is falsely accused of kidnapping. Finally the mother shows up and clears things up, and "The American" makes this speech (the lyrics to "The Broadcast") at the feet of the "little man".Brother, I am proud to know you. This is one of the greatest moments I have ever experienced.
I think I sense the situation when we can all esteem it, and honour, To breathe the rather inferior atmosphere in this station Here along with our little friend.
I guess we should all go home and treasure the memory of his face As the whitest thing in our museum of recollection. And, perhaps, this good woman will also go home And wash the face of our little brother here.
I'm inspired with a new faith in mankind. Ladies and gentlemen, I wish to present to you A sure enough saint only one a halo to be transferred. Stand right on.
Except "The Broadcast" adds a few lines before the above speech from the play:
We're got a chance and we'll take it; We may win or we may lose; We may even have to cut and run for it. Well, it won't be the first time I've run And it won't be the first time I've been caught. It's the game that matters. "[/color] Mandrake, from Dr Strangelove, is the one "caught in the middle of things"
Mandragora (mandrake) is also reference to a "little man in a bottle". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_(plant)
Or "How I learned to love the Bomb"
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Post by iameye on May 8, 2008 9:55:15 GMT -5
Jan 24, 2006 The "Iron Sun" Debate (3) Exploding the Myth of the Imploding Supernova When a star called “SK -69 202” exploded on February 24, 1987, becoming “Supernova 1987A”, the shock to conventional theory was as great as the visual wonder in the heavens. The event did not “emulate the theory”, but rather appears to have involved catastrophic electrical discharge. Prior to Supernova 1987A, astronomers assumed that a supernova signaled the death throes of a red supergiant star. But the star that exploded— SK -69 202 —was a blue supergiant, perhaps 20 times smaller than a red supergiant and a much different breed of star. Astronomers had long supposed that supernovae occur when a star “exhausts its nuclear fuel”, causing a collapse or implosion followed by a violent “rebound” effect when the outer layers of the star hit the core. The resulting blast, they said, ejects a spherical shell of material into interstellar space where it collides with its own slower moving stellar wind generated during its earlier, more stable phases. But Supernova 1987A tells a different story. Pictured above is the changing appearance of Supernova 1987A over a 27-month period as imaged by the Hubble Space Telescope. The photograph shows three axially aligned rings. The bright inner ring is about 1.3 light-years in diameter. The conventional theory of supernovae had not predicted, or in any way anticipated, the distinctive bi-polar structure of Supernova 1987A, similar to that of many nebulas now documented. Nor did the theory have anything to say about the bright "beads". Since there is an entrenched habit today of reinterpreting the surprises of the space age as if they were not really surprises, readers would do well to remember the original statement by Dr. Chris Burrows of the European Space Agency and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, Maryland, when Supernova 1987A was first discovered. "This is an unprecedented and bizarre object. We have never seen anything behave like this before”. “the origins of these rings still remains a mystery”. Nevertheless, the inertia of prior theory is strong enough that astronomers continue to identify the rings as “shells” of gas struck by the supernova’s high-energy “shock front”—though it is only necessary to look at the pictures to see that the rings are not shells. They are tori (rings) around a dynamic center occupying a common axis—a characteristic structure observed in high-energy plasma discharge experiments. But the crucial feature of SN 1987A is the bright beads. Both the number and position of the beads conforms to Birkeland current filaments in a powerful plasma discharge known as a "z-pinch." Electrical theorist Wallace Thornhill has predicted, "…the ring will not grow as a shock-wave-produced ring would be expected to. Some bright spots may be seen to rotate about each other and to merge. It is an opportunity …to be able to verify the electric discharge nature of a supernova." More than fifty years ago a British scientist, Dr. Charles E. R. Bruce (1902-1979), argued that the bipolar shape, temperatures and magnetic fields of “planetary nebulae” could be explained as an electrical discharge. Bruce was ideally situated to make the discovery, being both an electrical engineer versed in high-energy lightning behavior and a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society. He was ignored. Since that time, the structure and dynamics of high-energy electrical discharge in plasma has been well researched—most importantly, in the work of Nobel Laureate Hannes Alfvén, and over the past two decades or more by Alfvén’s close colleague, Anthony Peratt. The work of the cosmic electricians bears directly on the “Iron Sun” debate. When Oliver Manuel began to formulate his model of the Sun, ideas about supernovae lay at the heart of his thinking. From a study of the unusual isotopic composition of meteorites, Manuel had concluded that the objects had formed from the remains of a supernova. In this, he was following a tenet of conventional astronomy, which argues that elements heavier than iron and nickel in the solar system were created by distant supernovae over billions of years. Except that Manuel concluded that the supernova creating iron and other heavy element abundances in meteorites was the precursor to our own Sun. Though the Iron Sun model brings with it an insightful critique of the standard nuclear fusion model of the Sun, Manuel did not break free from the old gravitational concepts on the nature of supernovae; but he did add a new twist, suggesting that the Sun hides a neutron star around which accreted an iron shell after the Sun’s supernova explosion.As the electrical theorists see it, the mistake of following a conventional myth invariably set Manuel on a dead-end course. The Electric Sun model, these theorists claim, can account for all of the strange phenomena exhibited by the Sun and its environment. And the explanations do not require them to guess what is inside the Sun or to posit unlikely events leading to the birth of the Sun. Concerning the birth of stars, the Electric Sun model embraces the new science of plasma cosmology. Plasma cosmologists can demonstrate the principles of star birth in the plasma "z-pinch"; and they achieve their results both in the laboratory and in supercomputer simulations. In contrast, the earlier notion of gravitationally collapsing molecular clouds began as a theoretical guess and never found the required observational support. Nor has it been shown how planets can form from a ring of dust about a star, a crucial requirement. Stellar explosions have always been a problem for conventional gravitational theory. What could trigger the sudden release of such prodigious energy? The sudden gravitational implosion of the entire star is an ingenious idea for a trigger but highly implausible because it requires spherical symmetry on the vast scale of a giant star. The ejections observed from supernova remnants show that the process is axially symmetric. However, if a star is the focus of a galactic electric discharge together with internal charge stratification, it may naturally undergo an expulsive stellar "lightning-flash" to relieve the electrical stress. An electric star has electromagnetic energy stored in an equatorial current ring such as the torus (imaged in UV light) around our Sun. As stated by electrical theorist Wallace Thornhill, "Matter is ejected at low latitudes by discharges between the current ring and the star. The Sun does this regularly on a small scale. However, if the stored energy reaches some critical value it may be released in the form of a bipolar axial discharge, or ejection of matter along the rotational axis." Creation of heavy metals, according to Thornhill, does not require a supernova. In the electric model of stars, electrical energy produces heavy elements near the surface of all stars, ... The energy which fuels the Sun may be transferred over cosmic distances via Birkeland current transmission lines. This energy may be released gradually or stored in a stellar circuit and unleashed catastrophically. The cosmic circuits now revealed threading themselves along the arms of the Milky are the energy source for the supernova explosion– not the star. Only an external power source can explain why the continuing energy output of some nebulae such as Eta Carina exceeds that available from the central star.www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060124solar3.htm more because www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkZ9ZQyVzw
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Post by B on Apr 3, 2010 23:08:07 GMT -5
JoJo wrote: "Except "The Broadcast" adds a few lines before the above speech from the play:
We're got a chance and we'll take it; We may win or we may lose; We may even have to cut and run for it. Well, it won't be the first time I've run And it won't be the first time I've been caught. It's the game that matters.
Which doesn't seem to be from anything I can find, other than the lyrics themselves. There's something there, just can't quite...put my finger on it.."A comment to this YT video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpNWID-O_usascribes it to "The Sport of Kings" by Ian Hay.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Apr 4, 2010 9:35:38 GMT -5
the broadcast -- faul is saying he's like the man who was left to take care of the baby without planning on it. the baby being paul's image... the shroud of turin of course is the image of the messiah , just as faul is the image of the messiah figure JPM (whose ashes were sent into orbit on gemini xiii) Off into outer space you go my friends We wish you bon voyage And when you get there we will welcome you again And still you'll wonder at it all See all the wonders that you leave behind The wonders humble people own I know a boy from a tribe so primitive He can call me up without no telephone See all the wonders that you leave behind Enshrined in some great hourglass The noble tongues, the noble languages Entombed in some great english class Off into outer space you go my friends We wish you bon voyage And when you get there we will welcome you again And still you'll wonder at it all An anthropologist he wrote a book He called it "myths of heaven" He's disappeared, his wife is all distraught An angel came and got him His hair was gold, his wings were love, his words were true, His eyes were lapis lazuli He spoke in a language oh so primitive That he made sense to me Off into outer space you go my friends We wish you bon voyage And when you get there we will welcome you again And still you'll wonder at it all
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