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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jul 19, 2007 13:29:14 GMT -5
No, they are the same persons. He just looks like crap in them, and the varying degrees of crappiness are throwing you off. I see, so the only images we have of Faul at Court and Cirque Du Soleil are these two photos. Thus, because of the differences in film quality and one face appears to have a little bit of puffiness (which may be a result of facial treatment), we can easily conclude there must be two different Faul's running around!
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 19, 2007 13:33:57 GMT -5
Whatever.
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Post by MikeNL on Jul 19, 2007 14:19:59 GMT -5
i don't think so.. i suspect it only is because of diffrent make-up or fill ups
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Post by CoconutFudge on Jul 19, 2007 19:49:27 GMT -5
It's Dino Danelli, drummer for a band called the Rascals (or is it new rascals? I forget). He has been touted as possibly being the replacement or at least a one time stand in. Ah, thank you! (I thought I was going crazy.) I don't see it myself.
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Post by mommybird on Jul 20, 2007 18:07:10 GMT -5
What struck me most about the two photos is the nose. The nose is totally different in both photos.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 22, 2007 18:25:51 GMT -5
Now tell me, if this is supposed to be the same man, why would his face be puffier in the courtroom with divorce from Heather and the Larry King Show months later without "chipmunk cheeks"? We've discovered something quite startling indeed. One and one and one is three.... Paul>>Bill>>> and Mystery Faul>>> Perhaps the man who appeared on Larry King was the "Mountain Man".... Could someone get the picture from the cover of the Mc Cartney album ( where he had Mary in his jacket) and place it next to the Larry King Faul? There was a recent thread that had that picture on it and I commented on him being "Mountain Man" Or "Mountain Man" is the one with chubby cheeks... Maybe I'm not so nuts after all....
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Post by beatlies on Jul 22, 2007 18:33:32 GMT -5
Something occurred to me, on the thread about Bill and Ringo on Larry King, someone mentioned about Bill being replaced last year. Watching the program I noticed that FFaul's nose appeared different looking than Faul's profile even as shortly as the Heather Mills nightmare divorce settlement story. His eyes were brown, as we have seen the aged Faul with blue eyes. Could it be that the Faul that was on Larry King was perhaps this first Faul we see in the 1967 pics that doesn't quite look like the Bill we have come to know? He didn't look like the Bill who was missing a tooth in that one thread with the firehat superimposed on him. Or the other aged Faul/Bill pic that was used in comparison. Could it be that the two Fauls are still being used? It could make sense as to how the answers Faul gave on Larry King seemed so generic..because the Faul wasn't as eloquent even as when Bill gave interviews. Even Bill had more personality in previous interviews. Just a thought. Yeah that was me who said that about the "Bill"/Phil Faul being replaced last year. TKIN says this also. I think that Bill retired last year "when I'm 64" and he was well into his 70s. I also notice a personality difference in the new FFaul. He seems more laid back and soft spoken. Yoko Ono is very happy about this switch and that explains them genially appearing together on Larry King and at last year's NYC party.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jul 23, 2007 0:14:52 GMT -5
I won't discount the possibility that there's more than one person posing as Paul. But in these two photos it's the same person. Must I highlight the facial lines? But contributing the difference in appearance between the two photos is the facial expression and one head is at a slightly different angle than the other. As well as the difference film quality, exposure, light and shadow. Again, these can't be the only photos taken of Sir Paul at Cirque du Soleil and at divorce court.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 23, 2007 16:42:29 GMT -5
Well, the one looks like he's wearing a toupee, because the divorce pic looks like he's thinning a bit on top...And the "Larry King" or Cirque du Soleil looks like he's been tweezing his eyebrows...
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Post by GN on Aug 18, 2007 9:05:07 GMT -5
Good thread. Ear, nostril, eyebrow. One option: Bill with different make-up One option: Two different people
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Post by jarvitronics on Aug 18, 2007 12:53:27 GMT -5
Good thread. Ear, nostril, eyebrow. One option: Bill with different make-up One option: Two different people The man on the right is the original Darrin Stephens, aka Dick York. Short build, wide face, firery disposition. The man on the left is the replacement Darrin Stephens, aka Dick SARGENT, taller, longer face, more laid-back. Somehow, they bewitched us into accepting Darrin #2 (the SARGENT) as if he had always been Darrin. I wonder how they did that? -j
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 18, 2007 18:33:30 GMT -5
Good thread. Ear, nostril, eyebrow. One option: Bill with different make-up One option: Two different people The man on the right is the original Darrin Stephens, aka Dick York. Short build, wide face, firery disposition. The man on the left is the replacement Darrin Stephens, aka Dick SARGENT, taller, longer face, more laid-back. Somehow, they bewitched us into accepting Darrin #2 (the SARGENT) as if he had always been Darrin. I wonder how they did that? -j That's classic! Love that one! I have to ask, were these pictures taken recently? Lighting doesn't help the argument and the possibility of make up... But these two pics are the same guy....although the left hand pic on the left is after some "tightening up"...if not actual plastic surgery.. perhaps Bill used a little of that instant facelift elixir that is popular today. One puts in on their face, and gently press the skin where it's tighter and it stays that way for several hours... a quickie for the photo ops....
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Post by JoJo on Aug 18, 2007 18:56:05 GMT -5
Well it is funny how they introduced Darrin #2 as if nothing was amiss. The underlying message was that he was a minor character, the female lead was far more important.
As for the two pics, lighting plays a big role in one's perceived appearance, both on stage or on film or video. Not sure how it works, but I think lighting that is directly in front and bright tends to wash out the imperfections, different angles tend to be less forgiving.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 18, 2007 19:24:29 GMT -5
I honestly didn't know that they have stuff like that. Instant facelift, eh ? What will they think of next ? I wouldn't put it past him to use that. He has enough money to use everything & anything that is on the market today.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 18, 2007 20:01:35 GMT -5
Looks like the same man to me. All the features match up well. I agree with JoJo in that it is mainly lighting....and age. Does anyone know the years that these two pics were taken?
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Post by skyward on Aug 18, 2007 20:22:08 GMT -5
I honestly didn't know that they have stuff like that. Instant facelift, eh ? What will they think of next ? I wouldn't put it past him to use that. He has enough money to use everything & anything that is on the market today. That is something that is really prevalent in Hollywood, there are so many celebs getting plastic surgery these days, it's no wonder that people think there might be replacements. What is purported to be the percentage of people in Hollywood who have had some type of surgical augmentation? Lips, nose, eyes, hair extensions, hair dye, tummy, face, breasts... Just about everyone. I think the guy on the left has taken the time to prepare to be photo'd and the guy on the right has gained a little weight and needs to stop by the dressing room for an hour. They appear to be the same guy. The guy on the left could have had photo-manipulation/cleaing as well. Photo-Cleaning - Manipulation of Celebs I posted this link elsewhere, and it applies as far as how a clean-upped photo can make you appear differently. Click on 'Portfolio' at that site and check out Brittany Murphy's differences. There are 20 celebs posted along the bottom of the page.
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Post by skyward on Aug 18, 2007 22:20:27 GMT -5
Here is the example I mentioned. You might need to double-click on portfolio, and you move your mouse cursor over the image and then away to see the comparisons. Some involve morphing the shape of their bodies...
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Post by JoJo on Aug 18, 2007 22:29:32 GMT -5
Wow, amazing site Skyward. Some commonalities: make it brighter, fuzz out the lines and skin pores, and above all else..thinner.
This service does an amazing job, but hey, look in your high school yearbook.. In mine, the photographer the school hired retouched each and every one. Not real sophisticated, but no one had acne if you are to believe the images they presented.
The photo on the left was retouched heavily, the one on the right was probably a candid surprise shot. Yeah he's getting older, but then again no one is immune if you hang in there long enough.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 18, 2007 22:54:53 GMT -5
there are so many celebs getting plastic surgery these days, it's no wonder that people think there might be replacements. There are many replacements taking place in Hollywood and have been for many years. You can cancel out the effect of what lighting, makeup and plastic surgery do by looking at many pictures of the person and viewing them on film. The differences eventually show up no matter how much they are attempted to be covered up.
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Post by skyward on Aug 19, 2007 10:27:01 GMT -5
There are many replacements taking place in Hollywood and have been for many years. You can cancel out the effect of what lighting, makeup and plastic surgery do by looking at many pictures of the person and viewing them on film. The differences eventually show up no matter how much they are attempted to be covered up. I'm not so immersed in the examination of celebs, but I have browsed the topic. Foris Day, perhaps I can see that switch being plausible, however, when I look at some others, like Courtney Cox, I just don't see it. I think, nowadays, we see differences more-so because of the advancements in physical augmentation. It is relatively easy for a celeb to get botox, take steroids or other enhancing drugs like diet pills, cocaine takes a toll on some leading to anorexia-like conditions, then collagen-lip or cheek injections, etc. There are so many celebs that look different now than they did 10 years ago, so how do you tell who is a replacement and who is a surgical junkie? Yeah, JoJo, they show just how much one can manipulate a photo to make it look like a slightly different person. I assume the same could have been done for Faul over the years till now. It should leave no doubt that pictures can be altered.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 19, 2007 15:49:35 GMT -5
Here is the example I mentioned. You might need to double-click on portfolio, and you move your mouse cursor over the image and then away to see the comparisons. Some involve morphing the shape of their bodies... Yes, the art of camera lenses and/or computer enhancing.... This is interesting to me because there are tons of celebs who look fantastic in pictures like this one, being that all the circles, puffiness, freckles, wrinkles, scars, any discolorations are removed for print ads or magazine articles. Another example just recently, regarding Brittney Spears with some magazine she did pose for and was supposed to do an interview but with all of her craziness they didn't do the interview, but used a body double, they showed the pic of the model, and retouched Brittney's head over this body...Because looking at the pics they displayed on this entertainment news program, was brief, but I noticed that it was NO way Brittney, she wasn't that fit...as when you've seen her paparazzi pics.. It wasn't something that was a long piece, it was brief, but I figure, if they can alter faces on bodies for magazines, they can do that for other shots released. Even taking a shot from a footage of a film and enhancing the freeze frames. But in general, you see pics of people who look great but when they show them interviewing them without retouching, man those wrinkles, discolorations,moles, scars, etc. show up...Just shows what a good photo shop program can do. And that one pic of Bill, on the right, looks like a paparazzi shot, taken without Bill posing, or preparing to be photographed. Upon looking at the recent pics of Bill/Faul...I must say that the pics shown are him, but because of lighting, and possible re touching, and makeup or other cosmetic methods of erasing the footprints of time on one's face, either through surgery, botox or the quickie facelift in a bottle, it's Bill. There may have been times that he may have penciled his eyebrows, or the photographer was messing with it in the program, but I really don't understand the need to have another Old "Faul" to use as a spare. Upon thinking about this it makes no sense to have a double Faul now. IMO if there were two Fauls being experimented on who worked out best as the replacement for JPM, it took place in the 1960's early 1970's and not now. Just to see who looked and sounded more like JPM...but not now.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 19, 2007 16:03:38 GMT -5
I agree with Rita. I believe that once " Bill" took the role, it was for life.
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Post by CoconutFudge on Aug 19, 2007 22:53:22 GMT -5
Skyward--thanks for the link to that site. It's really, really interesting to see how photos are manipulated and shows that changes can obviously made. Should be a big red flag to non-believers, methinks.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 20, 2007 22:44:05 GMT -5
A great reminder that those "beautiful" people have been touched up....and many plain people beat themselves up trying to reproduce the look that stars spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to achieve....
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Post by CoconutFudge on Aug 20, 2007 23:19:40 GMT -5
At least I now officially know that J. Timbs is a human being!
...and that there CLEARLY are ways that are easily accessible to those in the public eye if they wanted to change people's perception of them according to physical attributes.
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