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Post by eyesbleed on Jul 28, 2005 22:46:39 GMT -5
Maybe it would be easier if Ringo would just "out" him. ;D Ringo: "Sorry, Billy...times up!" Bill: "C' mon! You can play drums on my next CD!" Ringo: "NOPE! Off you go, Billy..I've got to call the press..run along now!" Billy would still sell lots of cd's & concert tickets regardless. He was a beatle after all. As long as he's doin' stuff like Fireman & Liverpool Sound Collage & Twin Freaks, I'll sure keep buyin'em.... And his "normal" cd's are gettin' pretty good again also. But I'm pretty sure that decision wouldn't be entirely up to him
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Post by Doc on Jul 29, 2005 2:39:42 GMT -5
I noticed that Bill mentioned it by saying that he'd been on a lot of Beatles records..that sounds like an odd way to say it. It does seem like something "slipped" at that moment. Then add to that, the comment he made on the taped acceptance of the award on the Grammys. Then add the little clue in Rinse the Raindrops. Seems to me, he's tryin' to push the boundries a little with the ol'clues. He seems to really enjoy this whole clue thing. It would seem so, eyesbleed. Yet, your average "normal" person, a person who is 100% PIA as well as a thourough McCartney fan, has no inkling about any clues, or what they might mean. They go right over their heads; if they notice something, it's either a coincidence, or Paul is having us on a bit, which may be true here and there. In other words, they don't "read" to most people. I guess that is convenient; I dunno, that's just how it is. To us, some of the clues seem as blatant as a club over the head. Ouch. Knock on wood. A thousand clues have been left; but the world is still clueless. An inverse ratio, perhaps? The more clues that are put out there, the less comprehension there is of them. We are in a fractional minority. Lovely. My whole life, I've wanted to just be "point-O-something." Or, "point-O-O-O-something." Living life on the backside of the decimal point. Being an uncommon statistic. We're like, the square root of PI. WWW.crazy.00004381/PIDpeople/babblingminority.caughtinthe.netIsn't it amazing that we found this, found each other on the net, came together (eek) over the PID issue? Just us few? We're not a cult, a sub-population, or a grass roots group. We're not a cross-section, a private club, or a secret society. We're not even a committee. We don't have a president, a panel, a board (in the other sense!), we don't collect dues, have minutes, maintain a mission statement, or even baptise our "members". We just hang. We read and share. And have epiphanies. And go on insane tangents. And come back to normal. And laugh. And, used to cry. We're a sort of ad hoc, unofficial, semi-zealous, tea-room clique. I mean that in the best possible way. i.e.: We are passionate about common interests, pleasantly social, loosely associated, non-economically based, dedicated, curious, inquisitive, and for the most part, cordial. We are to a point, a pack of Beatle devotees. We are like everyone else in the world except for one key--er, um, paradigm. And we're OK with that. We are always welcome in our informal Tea Room Clique. No reservations needed. Although even if you HAVE some reservations, we will still take you.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jul 29, 2005 6:35:33 GMT -5
To us, some of the clues seem as blatant as a club over the head. Ouch. Knock on wood. I was wonderin' the other day what they were thinkin' back when Sgt.P came out. To them, I'm sure it was painfully obvious..... they were gonna take this bold move & release an album with 3 beatles & this stranger standing in front of a grave...... Oh here, if we all wear these weird band uniforms & all grow moustaches.... nobody will notice the stranger isn't Paul.....AND IT WORKED! Those 3 guys were probably completely dumbfounded as to why more didn't notice the new guy.
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Post by missvagabond on Jul 29, 2005 12:53:23 GMT -5
To us, some of the clues seem as blatant as a club over the head. Ouch. Knock on wood. I was wonderin' the other day what they were thinkin' back when Sgt.P came out. To them, I'm sure it was painfully obvious..... they were gonna take this bold move & release an album with 3 beatles & this stranger standing in front of a grave...... Oh here, if we all wear these weird band uniforms & all grow moustaches.... nobody will notice the stranger isn't Paul.....AND IT WORKED! Those 3 guys were probably completely dumbfounded as to why more didn't notice the new guy. A lot of people think it's the opposite of that. They say that the Beatles "all changed", so it's no biggie if Paul looked different when Sgt. Peppers came out. I did too..till I realised that it wasn't just a matter of Paul just changing his looks. There was an Exchange of the person who was Paul for somebody who wasn't. As TI mentioned on the Doc Lev' show, it's really important to get or find out some info on who Bill really was before he became Faul. Unfortunetely, that seems like an almost impossible discovery. You's think somebody would've reported him missing. But to figure that out, you'd have to check the records of EVERY missing person in the U.K. and possibly Canada in 1966. What are the odds of finding him?! He had to have had some kind of life before he started living Paul's..
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Post by JoJo on Jul 29, 2005 18:12:09 GMT -5
Unfortunetely, that seems like an almost impossible discovery. You's think somebody would've reported him missing. But to figure that out, you'd have to check the records of EVERY missing person in the U.K. and possibly Canada in 1966. What are the odds of finding him?! He had to have had some kind of life before he started living Paul's.. I agree, and that OPP police patch was always a big clue, and connect that to John spontaneously saying "a policeman!" to the query from "The Tonight Show" host asking Bill what he would do had he not become a rock singer. Oh yeah don't and forget and so I quit the police department Well you are up there in Canada, so keep your eye out there Miss Vagabond, you never know.. Hey maybe you'll find an old postcard from the OPP at a yard sale, a group photo, sometimes luck just happens. (slim chance, I know)
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Post by pennylane on Jul 29, 2005 23:20:44 GMT -5
Or maybe you could stop by the OPP Museum... O.P.P. MUSEUM HAS A NEW LOOK AND NEW EXHIBITS
Truly fascinating and fun!
Just minutes from downtown Orillia, The O.P.P. Museum is located inside General Headquarters of the Ontario Provincial Police. Home to just over nine hundred employees, the building itself is worth the visit.
paying homage to Bill perhaps..
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Jul 30, 2005 12:21:41 GMT -5
To us, some of the clues seem as blatant as a club over the head. Ouch. Knock on wood. I was wonderin' the other day what they were thinkin' back when Sgt.P came out. To them, I'm sure it was painfully obvious..... they were gonna take this bold move & release an album with 3 beatles & this stranger standing in front of a grave...... Oh here, if we all wear these weird band uniforms & all grow moustaches.... nobody will notice the stranger isn't Paul.....AND IT WORKED! Those 3 guys were probably completely dumbfounded as to why more didn't notice the new guy. Eyesbleed, that was you're 909th post! Your next one will be..... One after 909!
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Post by eyesbleed on Jul 30, 2005 19:45:55 GMT -5
Well here... I think I'll post this so I won't be on 911 more than a minute.
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Post by pennylane on Aug 2, 2005 20:41:27 GMT -5
Maybe his surname is Miller?
Stella named her new baby Miller but representatives of the 'McCartneys' have refused to say where the name came from...
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2005 22:48:37 GMT -5
McCARTNEY SHOCKED BY REACTIONS TO HIS SONGS Former BEATLE SIR PAUL McCARTNEY always took songwriting lightly until he realised his lyrics had an emotional impact on his listeners. The SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND rocker, who headlined London's Live 8 concert last month (JUL05), believed his lyrics were throwaway until a friend's mother told him how much his words moved her. He says, "The first time I realised people take their own meanings from what I write was in 1963 when I went back to Liverpool. I was round at RORY STORM's (frontman of RORY STORM AND THE HURRICANES) mum Vi's house. "I played FROM ME TO YOU to her... She said, "I didn't know you could think like that.' I was like, 'It's just a song.' "But it hit an emotional nerve, I don't know what, she didn't say, but it made me realise something about the power of songs." tinyurl.com/btbla
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 5, 2005 23:33:40 GMT -5
McCARTNEY SHOCKED BY REACTIONS TO HIS SONGS Former BEATLE SIR PAUL McCARTNEY always took songwriting lightly until he realised his lyrics had an emotional impact on his listeners. The SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND rocker, who headlined London's Live 8 concert last month (JUL05), believed his lyrics were throwaway until a friend's mother told him how much his words moved her. He says, "The first time I realised people take their own meanings from what I write was in 1963 when I went back to Liverpool. I was round at RORY STORM's (frontman of RORY STORM AND THE HURRICANES) mum Vi's house. "I played FROM ME TO YOU to her... She said, "I didn't know you could think like that.' I was like, 'It's just a song.' "But it hit an emotional nerve, I don't know what, she didn't say, but it made me realise something about the power of songs." tinyurl.com/btbla Is this a press release to draw attention to his new CD, I wonder. When he speaks about "1963" or things that happened before 1966, does he have somebody pre-approving it? Or maybe a fact-checker..I'm just wondering what goes into these kinds of comments. It seems like Bill would know the history of Paul's life pretty well be now. So I'm just curious if people like Derek Taylor and others have filled him in on different details that he can "leak" from time to time. As though he'd just remembered it. Just thinking out loud. He has all kinds of people working with him on tour and in his day-to-day life..I just find it interesting.. and I wonder what goes into putting it all together. The comment has some truth because songs do affect people in deep and meaningful ways...
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Post by Doc on Aug 6, 2005 1:06:08 GMT -5
McCARTNEY SHOCKED BY REACTIONS TO HIS SONGS Former BEATLE SIR PAUL McCARTNEY always took songwriting lightly until he realised his lyrics had an emotional impact on his listeners. The SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND rocker, who headlined London's Live 8 concert last month (JUL05), believed his lyrics were throwaway until a friend's mother told him how much his words moved her. He says, "The first time I realised people take their own meanings from what I write was in 1963 when I went back to Liverpool. I was round at RORY STORM's (frontman of RORY STORM AND THE HURRICANES) mum Vi's house. "I played FROM ME TO YOU to her... She said, "I didn't know you could think like that.' I was like, 'It's just a song.' "But it hit an emotional nerve, I don't know what, she didn't say, but it made me realise something about the power of songs." tinyurl.com/btbla Is this a press release to draw attention to his new CD, I wonder. When he speaks about "1963" or things that happened before 1966, does he have somebody pre-approving it? Or maybe a fact-checker..I'm just wondering what goes into these kinds of comments. It seems like Bill would know the history of Paul's life pretty well be now. So I'm just curious if people like Derek Taylor and others have filled him in on different details that he can "leak" from time to time. As though he'd just remembered it. Just thinking out loud. He has all kinds of people working with him on tour and in his day-to-day life..I just find it interesting.. and I wonder what goes into putting it all together. The comment has some truth because songs do affect people in deep and meaningful ways... One thing that hits me--any performance, any time a dedicated singer/ and or actor, gets into a part, and gets realy totally into the moment---they take the audience with them to that place, that emotional center. When a singer preps a show, he must memorize an enormous number of lyrics, and live inside them when he or she sings them. They connect to the text, in all its shades and implications, to the fullest. It takes a lot of thought, consideration, study to get there. With some its a natural process. With some, its hard won or even impossible. Performing is a honed gift, pure and simple. My point to all that, is that, probably long ago, Sir Paul committed "James Paul", in terms of the text of his life, to the deepest levels of memory, and lives inside the mental connections formed from the thorough study thereof. This will sound kind of nutty, but it has practical implications. He lives in the moment, and the moment IS Paul. When he sings a pre-66 song, he is living, existing INSIDE the song, inside Paul's reality. Sorry for the quasi-Actor's Studio diatribe from a non-actor as myself,(I can't act my way out of the Burger King Lounge), but I appreciate what is involved with people who do. It's a level of commitment; it's a willingness to be vulnerable; it's going out on an artistic limb to create magic on a stage. And, THAT'S why we go to see any performance. We don't go to see someone half-into what they are doing. As far as the "facts" or "information", or inventory of life details, well, that's just the "script." After you memorize your lines, that's when the REAL work of a portrayal begins. I don't know HOW they do it. I sometimes wish I could. But not always--it's comfortable not having to get my dialog down and hitting my marks and doing the physical business. All of life's a stage and most of us are unpaid extras. And that's really fine.......... Hey, somebody-----how DO I get up and get out out of this hamburger joint?
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Post by pennylane on Aug 6, 2005 2:57:58 GMT -5
When he speaks about "1963" or things that happened before 1966, does he have somebody pre-approving it? Or maybe a fact-checker..I'm just wondering what goes into these kinds of comments. It seems like Bill would know the history of Paul's life pretty well be now. So I'm just curious if people like Derek Taylor and others have filled him in on different details that he can "leak" from time to time. As though he'd just remembered it. He was obviously filled in with all the details.. you should watch anthology again with PID in mind. Watch his responses and body language when he talks about things pre-66. It is normal for a person to look up to the left when thinking about the past and up to the right when thinking about the future. For example, if you ask someone the color of their first car, or some other question from their past, they will look up to their left to access their memory. If instead they look up to their right, they are thinking of the future, which indicates that they are making up a response. Then there are the hand gestures.. when people are lying, they will often use their fingers to block their mouth as if they were filtering their words. The second hand gesture associated with deceit is when people rub or touch their eye. The third hand gesture, is displayed when people touch their ear as if they were blocking the conversation. There are two more important common gestures.. that are associated with lying, are the nose wrinkle and the mouth curl. The nose wrinkle is the same gesture that occurs naturally when you smell something offensive. The other facial gesture is a slight downward curl of the corners of the mouth. All indications of lying. And yes.. Bill does them all! I've come to the conclusion.. if he doesn't know the answer.. he just makes it up. Who would question it though? He's Paul McCartney.
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 6, 2005 8:07:26 GMT -5
He was obviously filled in with all the details.. you should watch anthology again with PID in mind. Watch his responses and body language when he talks about things pre-66. It is normal for a person to look up to the left when thinking about the past and up to the right when thinking about the future. For example, if you ask someone the color of their first car, or some other question from their past, they will look up to their left to access their memory. If instead they look up to their right, they are thinking of the future, which indicates that they are making up a response. Then there are the hand gestures.. when people are lying, they will often use their fingers to block their mouth as if they were filtering their words. The second hand gesture associated with deceit is when people rub or touch their eye. The third hand gesture, is displayed when people touch their ear as if they were blocking the conversation. There are two more important common gestures.. that are associated with lying, are the nose wrinkle and the mouth curl. The nose wrinkle is the same gesture that occurs naturally when you smell something offensive. The other facial gesture is a slight downward curl of the corners of the mouth. All indications of lying. And yes.. Bill does them all! I've come to the conclusion.. if he doesn't know the answer.. he just makes it up. Who would question it though? He's Paul McCartney. I haven't really thought about that PL, but it makes sense. I'll keep an eye out when I watch him in Anthology or in any interview clips I see when Bill is discussing ...ummm, the past. One thing that hits me--any performance, any time a dedicated singer/ and or actor, gets into a part, and gets realy totally into the moment---they take the audience with them to that place, that emotional center. When a singer preps a show, he must memorize an enormous number of lyrics, and live inside them when he or she sings them. They connect to the text, in all its shades and implications, to the fullest. It takes a lot of thought, consideration, study to get there. With some its a natural process. With some, its hard won or even impossible. Performing is a honed gift, pure and simple. My point to all that, is that, probably long ago, Sir Paul committed "James Paul", in terms of the text of his life, to the deepest levels of memory, and lives inside the mental connections formed from the thorough study thereof. This will sound kind of nutty, but it has practical implications. He lives in the moment, and the moment IS Paul. When he sings a pre-66 song, he is living, existing INSIDE the song, inside Paul's reality. Sorry for the quasi-Actor's Studio diatribe from a non-actor as myself,(I can't act my way out of the Burger King Lounge), but I appreciate what is involved with people who do. It's a level of commitment; it's a willingness to be vulnerable; it's going out on an artistic limb to create magic on a stage. And, THAT'S why we go to see any performance. We don't go to see someone half-into what they are doing. As far as the "facts" or "information", or inventory of life details, well, that's just the "script." After you memorize your lines, that's when the REAL work of a portrayal begins. I don't know HOW they do it. I sometimes wish I could. But not always--it's comfortable not having to get my dialog down and hitting my marks and doing the physical business. All of life's a stage and most of us are unpaid extras. And that's really fine.......... Hey, somebody-----how DO I get up and get out out of this hamburger joint? That's what I was trying to get at, thanx for that, Doc. It makes sense that he would have some sort of natural abilities to memorize Paul's history and then act it out. He's really good at that. But as you said, he has to have a gift for memorizing and interpreting material and playing a role. His whole life, really, is a song. He has to constantly play the role of Paul, while all the while being himself. He has to balance the two. That must be odd. It would be impossible to be "on" 24/7 I'd think. But he doesn't have to be perfect, just really good. And thanks for the insight about performing songs in general.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2005 16:40:36 GMT -5
According to a poll made by Uncut magazine, Bob Dylan's song "Like a Rolling Stone" was voted no. 1 from the music, movies, TV shows and books that changed the world.
Among the celebrities who participated at this survey, were Sir Paul McCartney, Noel Gallagher, Robert Downey Jr, Rolling Stone Keith Richards and Lou Reed. Rocker Patti Smith, who voted for Bob Dylan's song confessed: "It got me through adolescence."
Paul McCartney picked Heartbreak Hotel as his number one choice. "It's the way [Presley] sings it as if he is singing from the depths of hell. His phrasing, use of echo, it's all so beautiful. Musically, it's perfect."
Uncut editor Allan Jones said: "This list has been a massive undertaking and considering which films have had a greater cultural impact than Bowie, for example, has fuelled many discussions.
What we have been left with is Dylan as the most seminal artistic statement of the last five decades - but I'm sure others will disagree."
MUSIC, FILMS, TV AND BOOKS THAT 'CHANGED THE WORLD'
1. Bob Dylan: Like a Rolling Stone
2. Elvis Presley: Heartbreak Hotel
3. The Beatles: She Loves You
4. The Rolling Stones: (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
5. A Clockwork Orange
6. The Godfather and The Godfather II
7. David Bowie The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust
8. Taxi Driver
9. Sex Pistols Never Mind The Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols
10. The PrisonerSource: Uncut magazine news.softpedia.com/news/Bob-Dylan-s-Like-a-Rolling-Stone-Changed-The-World-5930.shtml
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2005 16:47:30 GMT -5
The above led to me to a site about "The Prisoner", a British TV show from 1967... www.retroweb.com/prisoner.htmlClick on "episode guide", there are a couple of interesting episodes, one involving a double, and one about the "prisoner's" mind being transferred into another body. One of the most unusual episodes in the series is "The Schizoid Man," in which Patrick McGoohan plays two roles - as the Prisoner of the title and also as his double. The Prisoner undergoes a complete transformation to make him believe he is the other man; in turn, his double claims that he is the real No.6. Which is which? This is a story which develops on surprising lines, with an attractive girl (played by Jane Merrow) as the pivot in the plan.And this one: "The Prisoner" series covers a wide range. There is one story, "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling," in which No, 6 is subjected to a brain transference. His mind is switched to another man's body. And in this episode, it is revealed that the Prisoner has a fiancee back in London - a part played by Zena Walker.Anyone ever see this show? Probably a cult classic, but I've never seen it before. (I want to now!)
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 8, 2005 17:32:10 GMT -5
"The Prisoner," is, simply, the finest television series ever produced.
The final episode was *very* allegorical and rather open-ended. The producer/star Patrick McGoohan fled London for a moth or so to escape all the ohone calls etc from people asking him what the hell it was all about. He has never to this day really said what he was going for.
I have gained a much greater understanding of that final episode in the last year or so because I finally understand the song that played toward the beginning of the episode -- "All You Need is Love."
Once you understand Lennon's point-counterpoint between verse and chorus ; between spreading the Word Love and playing "the game", the whole thing makes a lot more sense.
McGoohan certainly understood the song and knew what was going on with the Beats. He was plugged into both the entertainment and espionage establishments in the UK. The star of the hit show Danger Man (aka Secret Agent), he turned down the role of James Bond in order to bring "The Prisoner' to fruition.
(Also of interest, Leo McKern (Help!) plays No. 2 in a handful of eps, including the finale.)
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 8, 2005 17:57:55 GMT -5
Some people think McGoohan would have been a better James Bond that Connery or Moore. Supposedly, he was offered the role but turned it down because of his moral attitude toward the character. I've often thought about buying The Prisoner tv series on DVD. I've heard nothing but good things about it.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2005 18:12:14 GMT -5
Already found episode one, and thanks for the comments TI.
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 8, 2005 18:22:14 GMT -5
"The Prisoner," is, simply, the finest television series ever produced. The final episode was *very* allegorical and rather open-ended. The producer/star Patrick McGoohan fled London for a moth or so to escape all the ohone calls etc from people asking him what the hell it was all about. He has never to this day really said what he was going for. I have gained a much greater understanding of that final episode in the last year or so because I finally understand the song that played toward the beginning of the episode -- "All You Need is Love." Once you understand Lennon's point-counterpoint between verse and chorus ; between spreading the Word Love and playing "the game", the whole thing makes a lot more sense. McGoohan certainly understood the song and knew what was going on with the Beats. He was plugged into both the entertainment and espionage establishments in the UK. The star of the hit show Danger Man (aka Secret Agent), he turned down the role of James Bond in order to bring "The Prisoner' to fruition. (Also of interest, Leo McKern (Help!) plays No. 2 in a handful of eps, including the finale.) I've never even heard of this show. But this is interesting. It makes sense that people who work in music and tv, who knew or suspected that Paul was replaced by Bill, would express their feelings about it through their creativity. It makes me wonder just how many clues there could be out there..
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 8, 2005 19:39:32 GMT -5
Oh ya... a great show. I haven't thought about it from a PID P.O.V. You young'uns should really check this show out for sure. But in the meantime, I think I'm off to do some shoppin' for the dvd's. Thanks for remindin' me!
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Post by JoJo on Aug 11, 2005 14:39:00 GMT -5
That's the first I've heard of the rights reverting back, huh? tinyurl.com/9dlqdMcCARTNEY WON'T BUY BEATLE RIGHTS
SIR PAUL McCARTNEY has slammed rumours he will take advantage of MICHAEL JACKSON's financial troubles to make a low offer for THE BEATLES song rights - because he will get them anyway.
Reports of Jackson's dwindling financial prospects prompted speculation McCartney would buy back rights to his classic songs like YESTERDAY, but the rocker revealed a legality means the songs will soon be his anyway.
And the superstar stresses his one time feud with Jackson is over because he is too happy to be angry with the fallen pop king.
He says, "I don't think so. I've had people talk to me who are more concerned for me than I am about it. But the interesting thing is, there are actually things in the whole deal that actually revert to me anyway.
"There are years approaching, there are date approaching, that we never thought would approach, where things revert to me. So really, it's a waiting game rather than a big proactive buying game.
"Which suits my personality: just hang on, be patient, it's cool. Don't get your knickers in a twist." 11/8/2005 17:31
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Aug 13, 2005 10:09:20 GMT -5
Macca quashed rumours that it would be a double album what? Of course it will be a double album!
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Post by JoJo on Aug 14, 2005 13:17:02 GMT -5
From the episode about the "double": The night before, when he is "himself": And he wakes up the next morning with a new facial feature, heh..
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Post by Doc on Aug 14, 2005 15:17:22 GMT -5
I dad and I loved this show and watched it together the whole summer that it was on. He thought it was amazing, but the closing episode made him frustrated. He wanted it to return with some explanations. Ah, but was not to be. If MacGoohan had been anymore specific, it wouldn't have been as intriguing, eh? McGoohan I think created, developed this show and charactor, a sort of pet project. Makes you wonder. My dad's other favorite two shows were (1)The Avengers (2)Secret Agent Man, and (3) another Brit spy show with three leads--1967-68etc, the name escapes me now......
I guess it runs in the fambly......
Thanks for the pics and episode synop, jojo........
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