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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 22, 2008 21:34:50 GMT -5
"Schacht did win the game 9-3, striking out Babe Ruth with the bases loaded at one point. The Nationals swept the doubleheader, raising themselves several games above .500 and dealing New York a blow in their neck-and-neck struggle with Cleveland for the league lead."
"What might have been a much more costly setback for the Yankees was narrowly avoided when Ruth, driving his big touring car from Washington to Philadelphia, went off the road and rolled it. Luckily, neither Ruth, his wife Helen, nor any of the three teammates riding with them were seriously hurt, although there were premature reports of the slugger's demise in the accident"
- "Walter Johnson: Baseball's Big Train", Henry W. Thomas (Phenom Press, 1995), quoting, in turn, from "Babe: The Legend Comes to Life", Robert Creamer (Simon & Shuster, 1974)
The authors were describing an incident from the end of the 1920 major league baseball season. Apparently, it did lead to "Babe is dead" rumors, and in some accounts, these rumors are propagated by professional gamblers trying to induce bettors into betting against a Yankees team supposedly deprived of Ruth's presence in the lineup.
This all took place during the same time period when professional gambling's influence on the game was being exposed by the unearthing of the "Black Sox" scandal involving the 1919 World Series between the Chicago White Sox and the Cincinnati Reds.
I don't know if Yankee programs or any major league baseball publications featured any "Babe is dead" clues (or even "Babe was replaced" clues) on their covers or on the inside.
But given that Babe Ruth finished the 1920 season with 54 home runs and the 1921 season with 59 home runs, I feel pretty comfortable in stating that he was never replaced. I don't even need to look at fades and comparisons between 1920 and 1921 to reassure myself of that.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Mar 23, 2008 1:02:57 GMT -5
"Schacht did win the game 9-3, striking out Babe Ruth with the bases loaded at one point. The Nationals swept the doubleheader, raising themselves several games above .500 and dealing New York a blow in their neck-and-neck struggle with Cleveland for the league lead." "What might have been a much more costly setback for the Yankees was narrowly avoided when Ruth, driving his big touring car from Washington to Philadelphia, went off the road and rolled it. Luckily, neither Ruth, his wife Helen, nor any of the three teammates riding with them were seriously hurt, although there were premature reports of the slugger's demise in the accident" - "Walter Johnson: Baseball's Big Train", Henry W. Thomas (Phenom Press, 1995), quoting, in turn, from "Babe: The Legend Comes to Life", Robert Creamer (Simon & Shuster, 1974) The authors were describing an incident from the end of the 1920 major league baseball season. Apparently, it did lead to "Babe is dead" rumors, and in some accounts, these rumors are propagated by professional gamblers trying to induce bettors into betting against a Yankees team supposedly deprived of Ruth's presence in the lineup. This all took place during the same time period when professional gambling's influence on the game was being exposed by the unearthing of the "Black Sox" scandal involving the 1919 World Series between the Chicago White Sox and the Cincinnati Reds. I don't know if Yankee programs or any major league baseball publications featured any "Babe is dead" clues (or even "Babe was replaced" clues) on their covers or on the inside. But given that Babe Ruth finished the 1920 season with 54 home runs and the 1921 season with 59 home runs, I feel pretty comfortable in stating that he was never replaced. I don't even need to look at fades and comparisons between 1920 and 1921 to reassure myself of that. not many people know it yet, but the feds are about to indict The Babe for steroids. Turns out they can indict dead people now. It makes sense; we simply can't take a risk with the Babe being an example to kids. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 23, 2008 1:19:53 GMT -5
"Schacht did win the game 9-3, striking out Babe Ruth with the bases loaded at one point. The Nationals swept the doubleheader, raising themselves several games above .500 and dealing New York a blow in their neck-and-neck struggle with Cleveland for the league lead." "What might have been a much more costly setback for the Yankees was narrowly avoided when Ruth, driving his big touring car from Washington to Philadelphia, went off the road and rolled it. Luckily, neither Ruth, his wife Helen, nor any of the three teammates riding with them were seriously hurt, although there were premature reports of the slugger's demise in the accident" - "Walter Johnson: Baseball's Big Train", Henry W. Thomas (Phenom Press, 1995), quoting, in turn, from "Babe: The Legend Comes to Life", Robert Creamer (Simon & Shuster, 1974) The authors were describing an incident from the end of the 1920 major league baseball season. Apparently, it did lead to "Babe is dead" rumors, and in some accounts, these rumors are propagated by professional gamblers trying to induce bettors into betting against a Yankees team supposedly deprived of Ruth's presence in the lineup. This all took place during the same time period when professional gambling's influence on the game was being exposed by the unearthing of the "Black Sox" scandal involving the 1919 World Series between the Chicago White Sox and the Cincinnati Reds. I don't know if Yankee programs or any major league baseball publications featured any "Babe is dead" clues (or even "Babe was replaced" clues) on their covers or on the inside. But given that Babe Ruth finished the 1920 season with 54 home runs and the 1921 season with 59 home runs, I feel pretty comfortable in stating that he was never replaced. I don't even need to look at fades and comparisons between 1920 and 1921 to reassure myself of that. not many people know it yet, but the feds are about to indict The Babe for steroids. Turns out they can indict dead people now. It makes sense; we simply can't take a risk with the Babe being an example to kids. As long as he didn't lie under oath to a grand jury, he can probably rest easy. No major league baseball player is actually being prosecuted for the use of steroids. Barry Bonds is under indictment (temporarily quashed) for having lied under oath to a grand jury. |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Mar 23, 2008 2:54:46 GMT -5
not many people know it yet, but the feds are about to indict The Babe for steroids. Turns out they can indict dead people now. It makes sense; we simply can't take a risk with the Babe being an example to kids. As long as he didn't lie under oath to a grand jury, he can probably rest easy. No major league baseball player is actually being prosecuted for the use of steroids. Barry Bonds is under indictment (temporarily quashed) for having lied under oath to a grand jury. The IRS got Capone because that was the only way to go after him. So sure if you want to play lawyer, we can say they allege that he lied, but the truth is this is about steroids. And, it's a perversion of our system (in my opinion) to pursue this matter. Plus, the serious question is: why is the gov't wasting money on this case? |
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 23, 2008 11:10:16 GMT -5
As long as he didn't lie under oath to a grand jury, he can probably rest easy. No major league baseball player is actually being prosecuted for the use of steroids. Barry Bonds is under indictment (temporarily quashed) for having lied under oath to a grand jury. The IRS got Capone because that was the only way to go after him. So sure if you want to play lawyer, we can say they allege that he lied, but the truth is this is about steroids. And, it's a perversion of our system (in my opinion) to pursue this matter. Plus, the serious question is: why is the gov't wasting money on this case? As to whether the issues of steroid use is worth government involvement in the first place, I have no strong feelings, but major league baseball didn't do a very good job of policing itself. As for Barry Bonds, he was subpoenaed to testify and given immunity for whatever he might say, as long as he didn't lie under oath. That's not what the government does to someone that it has made a target of an investigation. So I can't agree that anyone made Bonds a target until he made himself one. |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Mar 23, 2008 12:38:13 GMT -5
The IRS got Capone because that was the only way to go after him. So sure if you want to play lawyer, we can say they allege that he lied, but the truth is this is about steroids. And, it's a perversion of our system (in my opinion) to pursue this matter. Plus, the serious question is: why is the gov't wasting money on this case? As to whether the issues of steroid use is worth government involvement in the first place, I have no strong feelings, but major league baseball didn't do a very good job of policing itself. As for Barry Bonds, he was subpoenaed to testify and given immunity for whatever he might say, as long as he didn't lie under oath. That's not what the government does to someone that it has made a target of an investigation. So I can't agree that anyone made Bonds a target until he made himself one. So you believe the feds are NOT using Bonds as an example? |
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 23, 2008 12:48:56 GMT -5
As to whether the issues of steroid use is worth government involvement in the first place, I have no strong feelings, but major league baseball didn't do a very good job of policing itself. As for Barry Bonds, he was subpoenaed to testify and given immunity for whatever he might say, as long as he didn't lie under oath. That's not what the government does to someone that it has made a target of an investigation. So I can't agree that anyone made Bonds a target until he made himself one. So you believe the feds are NOT using Bonds as an example? Well, I guess that they are NOW! But he pretty much invited them to by lying under oath. So I have a hard time thinking of him as a victim. |
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Post by CoconutFudge on Mar 24, 2008 4:24:49 GMT -5
I thought you meant Babe the pig. I was very sad for a second!
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 26, 2008 23:16:27 GMT -5
I thought you meant Babe the pig. I was very sad for a second! Well, ya never know around here... I was wondering," Babe is dead, Miss ham, Miss HAM!" A day in the life of a pig sure to make the company alot of bacon! Babe is Dead, Babe was replaced by a Tofu Ham substitute He threw himself on the grill to a greasy death.... Porky was notified and he gathered the remains... He was buried at sea.... Porky wrote alot of music as therapy The music was buried at sea as well So much for famous pigs.....  |
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Post by B on Mar 27, 2008 10:13:56 GMT -5
Have you seen the little piggies?
I didn't think so.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 28, 2008 20:52:47 GMT -5
Have you seen the little piggies? I didn't think so. Hmmmm, didn't want to be THAT obvious....  |
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