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Post by jerriwillmore on Jul 12, 2006 13:43:23 GMT -5
I had to share this with you. I read in the new bio McCartney (p. 297) that as a teenager Kurt Cobain selected Paul as his idol. "He meant more to me than my parents," he said. Even more jaw-droppingly, he loved the "Broad St" album and wrote a 2000 word essay on it! I myself was nuts about Paul as a teenager and liked him more than my parents. I later felt embarressed about it. But the "Broad Street" project-er-not my cup of tea.
Rest in peace, Kurt
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Post by lili on Jul 12, 2006 13:52:01 GMT -5
That's very interesting, Jerri. Thank you for sharing that with us. My daughter & her best friend both really love Kurt & Nirvana. I personally feel that Kurt's death was not a suicide. A certain "person" wanted to make sure that he didn't interfere with her life & career.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 12, 2006 18:50:09 GMT -5
" a 2000 page essay on it" ?!
Are you sure that's correct?
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Post by beatlies on Jul 12, 2006 22:43:22 GMT -5
Courtney Love's father was a top CIA "MK ULTRA" official and scientist; he worked in "mind control" and "psychological warfare" atrocities involving forced drugging/hypnotism and other horrors. Just like Frank Zappa's father was a germ warfare developer and LSD-as-WMD developer and disseminator war criminal.
Their "music" is just an extension of the power elite Americans' mass destruction domestically of "their own people's" minds and lives (pro-heroin, pro-cruelty, dehumanizing, desensitizing, pro-nihilism, despair etc.).
Remember the Nirvana ditty "Rape Me" ?
From teh "Gary James" website
Hank Harrison - Kurt Cobain's father-in-law - It's a story that's been whispered about almost from the beginning - did Kurt Cobain commit suicide or was he murdered? In the Underground there have been all kinds of theories, conjectures and hypotheses thrown around. There is however, one man who should know. That man is Hank Harrison. Mr. Harrison is the father of Courtney Love (Kurt Cobain's wife). He was also the first personal manager of The Grateful Dead. What you're about to read will change the way you view the death of Kurt Cobain and the music world - forever ... more
From an e-mail exchange between jack Sarfatti and Hank Harrison:
The Gifted Children
From: Jack Sarfatti
Date: 04/07/05 18:47:10
To: Hank Harrison
Subject: Re: MK Ultra , UFOs, in the guise of Creative Enrichment & Schwartz
bcc Thanks Hank :-)
On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Hank Harrison wrote:
> Jack: Just finished Fastwalker Pdf and liked your analysis. Sometimes
> universes really are parallel.
> In June of 1953, I was enrolled on campus at Berkeley in a gifted
> children program conducted under an alias as a study of creativity. I
> was not aware of a similar Cornell program until today. There must
> also have been others. I was 13 when I attended Berkley. I started
> regular high school the following September. I am now 64 years old.
> The Berkley program was run by a psychologist named Frank Barron,
I met Frank Barron with Tim Leary and I think Saul-Paul Sirag at UCSC
in ~ 1976. Frank was a major player in CIA MK Ultra. Tim and he openly
talked about it as I recall. Certainly Tim told me for sure. I also met
Robin Williams with Tim back in the 1980s. BTW the late George Koopman
(DIA Spook) was with John Belushi night he OD'd. George told me. He may have also told Saul-Paul? Koopman funded my PCRG and was Tim Leary's control when he was let out of prison and came directly to our PCRG Esalen in Big Sur from which Gary Zukav, my North Beach room-mate, wrote "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" that sold millions of copies. I wrote all the technical stuff for Gary.
> the kids were all about 12-15 and some spoke no English. It is the
> first time I met people my own age who spoke no English. But I was
> tested continually from 4th grade on. My dad was getting his PhD in
> Physical Education at Berkley and Cal Poly at the time, so I was
> somehow picked out or was volunteered, as my dad often brought me with
> him the year before. I was, they thought, athletically gifted because
> I broke a swimming record at age 12, but I thought it was no big deal.
>
> More importantly the staff (one to one ratio) treated all of the kids
> like rock stars. We ate with the athletes on Pappy Waldorf's famed
> football championship teams and had access to vitamin pills. No big
> deal. My dad befriended a star fullback named Johnny Oshevsky (sp) he
> went pro and they called him Johnny O. The national American shot put
> man had no place to live so he commuted with us and moved in, used to
> toss the 16 pounder in our backyard in Castro Valley. Pardoxical eh?
>
> I remember getting IQ tests almost every day. But my Iq was never
> higher than 127, never tested as a genius or anything higher than
> Bright Normal or low superior. (Benet rating). Years later I came to
> find out they were interested in my Photographic memory,
> (semi-eidetic) which I didn't even know I had at the time. Everyday we
> were trotted around to some esoteric site on Cal campus. Especially
> the art galleries where we were taken to architectual lectures and
> slide shows. I remember watching a French artist, Ferdinand Leger,
> discuss his art and I understood every word of it. Leger was at
> Berkley Fine Arts at the time.
>
> Other tours took us to the Cyclotron. When it was running, it shook
> the ground all over campus. We also took tours to the Campanile, saw
> the the Bones and skulls stored inside the Campanile, and got to press
> the levers that played the bells. This was before the suicide
> restraints were erected, so you could actually look over and see the
> view. We also visited chemo labs and could go anywhere we wanted until
> our folks took us home from Sather Gate. This was, I guess, what is
> now called an enrichment program, but I got the distinct impression I
> was being studied.
>
> My troubles started coming in from the anxiety of the cognitive
> dissonance that cropped up when I was plunged back into regular
> school. My family hated blacks and Jews, I did not. Here is were our
> paths cross again, because ironically Steve Schwartz, you mentioned,
> had a lawyer named Carlos Bea, this was the son of my Freshman high
> school English teacher State Assembly head Carlos Bea. Bea and my dad
> were practicing Freemasons and avowed anti-Semite fascists. In fact,
> that whole country club crowd and the Shriners from the AAmes temple
> in Oakland, comprised a nest of practicing Nazis and are still in
> control though their brainwashed children. I guess I was a big
> disappointment. I even dropped out of DeMolay.
I know Carlos Bea. I met a top Iran-Contra at his Bolinas house with Stephen Schwartz and Kim Burrafato in the mid-80's. Carlos was not there. Steve [who is Jewish and COINTELPRO ---beatlies]had access to his house. He always liked me and I never saw any anti-Semetism from him. He is still friendly in the Hood. I was
with Lawry Chickering in Trieste 2 days ago. I did not realize that Don Rumsfeld ran ICS for as long as 3-4 years. So Steven did get to knowhim pretty well. Carlos Bea is Cuban and won a lawsuit against Castro.He is now a San Francisco Superior Court Judge. So, again, all I can say is that I never detected a tinge of any anti-Jewish attitude in Carlos. He certainly knew that Stephen was half-Jewish. I am still on friendly terms with him and his wife. I was even invited to their Pacific Heights Mansion at a party back then when I was loosely associated with ICS. Carlos was member of Pumpkin Papers with Richard Nixon and he has Intel connections for sure. I think he knew the late Harold Chipman when he was in CIA? Chip was part of MKUltra - he told
details to me and Kim and I think Bobby Jones.
>
> There were about 16 kids in this group and basically we were guinea
> pigs. I do not recall any brainwashing, per se, although esp was part
> of the study. We read from books way over our heads to test reading
> comprehension then we wrote short stories from scratch. I had no idea
> I could do that at first. They then tried to set up a test between
> senders and receivers to see if messages from the short stories and
> drawings would come though to a room down the hall. This was somewhat
> like distant viewing that was done with the Grateful Dead under
> Stanley Krippner from Maimonedes Hospital in Brooklyn, Circa 1973.
Yes, so you and I about same age now were part of same project no doubt. I know Krippner of course.
>
> After many decades I went through a kind of zen and combined
> psychoanalysis in Marin with Lloyd Saxton, head of the College of San
> Mateo, and I finally figured out what was going on. But it was clear
> the 1953 Berkley program was tampering with values and value training
> as we took the Alport- Vernon- Lindsey study of values at least once a
> week for the whole summer. I think they were trying to find out how
> values are formed in potential leadership kids and which ones would be
> the easiest to train. I think I was rejected because I had my own
> ideas.
>
> I basically flunked high school after that earlier experience. But I
> was aware, over the years, of people tracking my records. My dad would
> fill out these little reports, like follow-up questionnaires. I wasn't
> even supposed to know they existed, but I often went though my dads
> desk looking for spare change and I found them. Perhaps I was a
> control? In any case its odd to see so many similar people in the
> Trieste Tank. By the way the photographic memory turns out to be a
> kind of tool for remote empathy, not remote viewing per se, but remote
> feeling. It comes down on the distaff or female side of the family.
> But it also skips. My daughter has it. My dad was a jock, and had no
> clue what Barron et al, was up to. Good luck in Santa Fe this year.
> hank
Hank's daughter is Courtney Love.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 13, 2006 9:07:24 GMT -5
Beastlies wrote:
"Their "music" is just an extension of the power elite Americans' mass destruction domestically of "their own people's" minds and lives (pro-heroin, pro-cruelty, dehumanizing, desensitizing, pro-nihilism, despair etc.).
Remember the Nirvana ditty "Rape Me" ?"
You suggest implicitly that Kurt was a mindless drone who wrote "Rape Me" at the behest of the powers that be.
Hardly the case, imo. It's a rebellion if nothing else.
I don't know that there's any need for the power elite to program destructive elements into music.
You can tune into WDVX from Knoxville, Tn on the internet, and you can hear "Hillbillys" sing
about being drunk, killing unfaithful lovers, robbing and stealing, making moonshine, and, paradoxically, Jesus.
I don't think any sophisticates are programming them; these topics are grist for song topics, apparently.
Look at rap music. Who's behind that?
Certainly there can be powers pushing an evil agenda through media,
but how many have musical talent?
Zappa's songs are pretty funny, and, I think I can safely say,
answer to no one. This seems to be the typical response from
those who have suffered at the hands of would-be control freaks.
I don't mean to get off topic, but "the youth" have been "going to hell in a handbasket" since Cain and Abel,
and for all their efforts, the "ultra" groups haven't met with much success in diminishing the human spirit,
but it is good to be aware that they're out there, I suppose.
It's worth noting, btw, that Courtney's father said he wouldn't be able to discount the possibility that Courtney killed Kurt.
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Post by lili on Jul 13, 2006 14:06:22 GMT -5
I didn't want to say it, thank your 4000 holes !  |
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Post by beatlies on Jul 13, 2006 14:40:19 GMT -5
I didn't want to say it, thank your 4000 holes ! Why not, to say what? You suggest implicitly that Kurt was a mindless drone who wrote "Rape Me" at the behest of the powers that be.
Hardly the case, imo. It's a rebellion if nothing else.Hardly! Herr Kurt, Krist Novoselic ("the normal jock-looking one"), David Grohl etc. are smirking, sociopath millionaires, not mindless drones by any means, I would say the same even for CIA Joan "Play me backwards" Baez, or Faul, or Fia. As for "rebellion," what kind of phony rebellion is promoted in their songs like "rape me," the coolness, dude, of raping and torturing girls? They get a thrill from watching their female fans sing "raoe me, hate me, waste me" back to them? From the album "In Utero" (!) by "Nirvana", sounds like a morale-boosting song for those girl-raping US troops in Iraq or Vietnam: RAPE ME Rape me Rape me, my friend Rape me Rape me again I'm not the only one [X4] Hate me, Do it, and do it again Waste me, Rape me, my friend I'm not the only one [X4] My favorite inside source I'll kiss your open sores Appreciate your concern You'll always, stink, and burn Rape me Rape me, my friend Rape me Rape me again I'm not the only one [X4] Rape me [Rape me] [X8] Rape me |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 13, 2006 14:51:17 GMT -5
Sung as a victim. Not encouraging others, really.
Spoken sarcastically, imo. "I'm not the only (victim)."
The rebellion I was refering to was his personal rebellion against his abuser.
He's saying, "Hit me again; I can take it, you ###****."
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Post by beatlies on Jul 13, 2006 14:56:36 GMT -5
Sung as a victim. Not encouraging others, really. Spoken sarcastically, imo. "I'm not the only (victim)." Well lets say the song works on the mind on more than one level, to say the least and they are quite calculating and know that with certain goals in mind  My favorite inside source
I'll kiss your open sores
Appreciate your concern
You'll always, stink, and burn
Rape me |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 13, 2006 15:02:07 GMT -5
"My favorite inside source
I'll kiss your open sores
Appreciate your concern
You'll always, stink, and burn"
Doesn't sound like he really enjoys the company of her/him/it.
DUMB
I'm not like them
But I can pretend
The sun is gone
But I have a light
The day is done
But I'm having fun
I think I'm dumb
Or maybe just happy
(CHORUS 1)
Think I'm just happy(3x)
My heart is broke
But I have some glue
help me inhale
And mend it with you
We'll float around
And hang out on clouds
Then we'll come down
And have a hangover
Have a hangover(3x)
Skin the sun
Fall asleep
Wish away
The soul is cheap
Lesson learned
Wish me luck
Soothe the burn
Wake me up
VERSE 1
CHORUS 1
"I think I'm dumb" (12 times)!
(end)
Again, the words of a victim, imo.
Biographical perhaps, but not an encouragement to sniff glue or be stupid.
I could see the third verse as a strange testimony of abuse suffered.
Not saying it doesn't happen. But it doesn't encourage others to
misbehave very successfully, if, in fact, that is the intended goal, imo.
The popularity of Nirvana may have had a lot to do with people feeling like victims in a general way.
That may not be a positive mental outlook, generally speaking,
but young people know that the powers that be have very little respect for them, so
someone who was singing honestly came through loud and clear.
Jerriwillmore wrote:
"as a teenager Kurt Cobain selected Paul as his idol. 'He meant more to me than my parents' ".
That's not surprising if he was being abused.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Jul 13, 2006 18:16:07 GMT -5
I meant to wrote 2000 word not page essay OMG....
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 13, 2006 18:29:04 GMT -5
Whew! Still impressive, but not quite as breath-taking. Thank you for the correction.  |
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