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Post by horseloverphat on Nov 7, 2007 16:12:09 GMT -5
Indeed....you are correct.
I was aware of the correlation between dna and ancient works...the caduceus of hermes being an obvious one and the tree of life...another etc etc
but...the point I was making was solely to do with the theory that the 'hebrew alphabet' could've possibly be devised from the DNA strand itself.
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Post by iameye on Nov 7, 2007 16:27:09 GMT -5
or this: fi rst four amino acids would be leucine, isoleucine, valine, and arginine based on the four code words or codons, CUC, AUC, GUC, and AGG.GUC AUC AGG CUC Goob-goob-a-joob www.battleax.org/NATASHA/CODE01.HTM
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Post by horseloverphat on Nov 7, 2007 16:37:25 GMT -5
good man eye...nice link (i had another similar one from a while back but have since lost it and it mentioned the shadow cast by the dna strand and the hebrew alphabet...your link will do nicely!) yes....I was thinking of the 'goob-goob-a-joob' thing too and all the dna like pictures we've seen!!! ;D Another concept I've noticed is this....which ties directly in. www.astrostar.com/articles/22StrandDNA.htm
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 7, 2007 18:22:44 GMT -5
I have read Zecharia Sitchin & William Henry (although I didn't think I understood it well, but maybe I did?). I lived in Nashville and walked Centennial Park which has the architecture that forms that same DNA shape - I forget what they call in Cabala.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 7, 2007 21:55:46 GMT -5
It's possible, just seems that what goes on in the studio, especially after 1966 was controlled to effect a certain result. Your comment about Strawberry Fields reminded me of something I think (I'm not sure) George Martin said about the drum part at the end, that it was quite amazing. Hmm.. The debunking part of the link you provided mentions Martin, I'll agree that the idea of him not knowing is hard to believe, in fact it would be his idea in the first place IMO.
Funny, Ringo does like to have other drummers around, I saw it myself a couple of summers ago, where Sheila E. was part of his "All Stars" group. (and did a killer drum solo) Granted he needed someone to drum when he was the frontman, but there were seldom (or ever) times in the concert when he was drumming alone. Of course he played with the Beatles all by himself in concert, seems to me any other arrangement would be too complicated.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 8, 2007 2:59:58 GMT -5
Why would George Martin have to be there? Too much is made of George Martin, IMHO. The Beatles were a product. Nothing more. Think of it from the business side. George Martin might know, he might not. He's got a pretty big ego too. Ringo, btw, played with the Beatles in the days where you couldn't really hear the sound. There is a HUGE difference between playing live, where you can get away with the excitement, and recording. A good example is Willie Nelson. Willie tours with his buddies but when he makes a record he hires THE BEST musicians available. JoJo, if you and I were to start a band and we wanted to make a record, we would hire Purdie to play and we would use Ringo for publicity if we could. From a marketing and production perspectibe, in the music business, this would be the best plan if we had those resources. George Martin would not help because he doesn't hit the drums and he doesn't sell any records because he has a funny name and a kewl persona.
And let me say one more time, that I think you are a great man, Jojo. :}}
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Post by mommybird on Nov 8, 2007 10:59:53 GMT -5
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this. Great posts, JoJo & iburiedpaul !
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Post by JoJo on Nov 8, 2007 17:58:52 GMT -5
Why would George Martin have to be there? Too much is made of George Martin, IMHO. The Beatles were a product. Nothing more. Think of it from the business side. George Martin might know, he might not. He's got a pretty big ego too. Ringo, btw, played with the Beatles in the days where you couldn't really hear the sound. There is a HUGE difference between playing live, where you can get away with the excitement, and recording. A good example is Willie Nelson. Willie tours with his buddies but when he makes a record he hires THE BEST musicians available. JoJo, if you and I were to start a band and we wanted to make a record, we would hire Purdie to play and we would use Ringo for publicity if we could. From a marketing and production perspectibe, in the music business, this would be the best plan if we had those resources. George Martin would not help because he doesn't hit the drums and he doesn't sell any records because he has a funny name and a kewl persona. And let me say one more time, that I think you are a great man, Jojo. :}} Start a band? Well that would be cool, I would have to learn an instrument first, heh. If looking at this subject matter should demonstrate anything, it is that much of what we are told about Beatles history is B.S. (to paraphrase Lennon) About movies, in the Preston Nichols book "The Music of Time", he claims to have worked on the first Star Wars as a sound engineer, and that as the concept of "the force" was decided upon late in the filming, that there was much overdubbing of dialog after the movie was shot. He claims you can see a mismatch between the spoken dialog and what appears on the screen if you watch carefully. Further, the credits list an "ADR operator". (ADR = After Dialog Recorder) So I do believe it's possible, just that Ringo must have done something here and there, perhaps even was part of some initial recordings with the overdubbing coming later. A interesting comment from Ringo RE: Pepper, "I learned to play chess". Perhaps you are right about Martin, maybe his role was recording what the Beatles themselves produced. A hint that all is not what it seems, Nichols also claims to have added special effects to Pepper in the studio he owned at the time.. who knows?
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 9, 2007 1:47:29 GMT -5
But what you say rings true about Nichols. I just did a video and the words don't match and NOBODY has mentioned that, and my friends are professional sound people. I can see it.
I heard eleanor rigby on my way out to a session, and then on the way back I heard Hey Jude and there is no way that's the same dude singing IMHO. I think most of us are so use to faul with accept it but it's not the same. Listen to the backing vocals of eleanor rigby. It's the real paul with no john and you can tell the voal quality pretty well. Or maybe I'm just crazy.
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Post by newscientist on Nov 9, 2007 8:47:38 GMT -5
I have seen some bullshitters in my time, but iburiedpaul is the top of the tree when it comes to spouting utter crap (no wonder he admires Bernard Purdie as a person as well as a drummer.) The problem with assertions like these is that there is no evidence to back them up.
This is an extraordinary claim.
It requires evidence to back it up.
So far nothing more than wind has been provided as evidence in support of these claims.
Where are the photos, the film footage of the recordings, the eyewitness accounts from engineers, cleaners, delivery men etc... who all would have been passing through or worked at the studios where these events are claimed to have taken place ? Hey were are the bank statements. Purdie can't even remember the names of the songs he alleged he played on.
All we have is a sad old man spouting guff.
When he provides evidence other than bitter anecdotal ranting then it will be worth reassessing the situation.
This is a parallel situation to all the moon landing conspiracy theorists and the 9/11 idiots.
Make an absurd claim and repeat it enough times then idiots start to believe it must have at least some validity.
Evidence !
There is fuck all evidence because, like a lot of other Purdie claims, its a load of shite.
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Post by newscientist on Nov 9, 2007 8:49:45 GMT -5
And by the way, there are loads of live solo ringo performances with the Beatles on you tube. Here is the link: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ringo+beatles+liveHave you actually watched the Let It Be documentary?. It has, guess what, Ringo on drums, and, guess what, the drums on that documentary sound just like the Let It Be album. Funny that. Hey Purdie, Starkey has a lot more money and is a lot more famous than you. And if that doesn't hurt, his drumming has influenced a lot more people than you as well.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 9, 2007 10:25:04 GMT -5
It's not personal, my friend. Don't forget all you need is love :}}
You are right Starkey has a lot more money than Purdie and he is very famous, probably even more famous than me :}}
It all hurts but what really hurts most is your comment about influence. I mean, dude, do I look like some crazy ex-child actor with a marginal music career who hangs out on Beatle conspiracy message boards? I am a man of great influence, perhaps not as much as Pete Best.
Here's what some other dude thinks:
bettydylan: Are you trying to start a fight with someone? Because saying that the majority of the Beatles songs (instead of the vast minority) were not played by Ringo Starr........those are fighting words. You knew that would piss someone off; that's why you said it. Guess who that someone was? Me.
Have you seen Ringo play? The way he executes all his signature drum fills when playing classic Beatles songs live is the same way it sounds on the records. Many drummers have tried to play like Ringo did on "Rain" and "Something" and have failed. There can be only one."
This is simply not true. I really don't mean to offend anybody. But when it comes to actually hitting the drums, the facts speak for themselves. Even on the Ringo tour, he doesn't play without the great Jim Keltner also playing.
On a serious note, the reason the doc and album sound the same is because that's what the looping and sound editing process entail. If you ever watch Hail, hail rock and roll, the chuck berry flick, you'll chuck is actually playing but because he refused to cooperate, keith had to overdub chucks parts. It's the magic of movie making.
To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Purdie on those records, but there is no way it's ringo...at least not on the difficult stuff.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 9, 2007 10:25:42 GMT -5
Also I believe Purdie played on a Jeff Beck record that was produced by George Martin (wired?)
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Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 10, 2007 9:33:12 GMT -5
But what you say rings true about Nichols. I just did a video and the words don't match and NOBODY has mentioned that, and my friends are professional sound people. I can see it. I don't know if its just that I have a really shitty copy, but all (well - most of) the way through the Let It Be movie the visuals and the music are slightly out of sync. Anyone else see that? I watched it for the first time after being into all this PID stuff and that kinda stood out for me
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 10, 2007 10:27:15 GMT -5
Not here but on the youtube message board, some folks got made for explaining how sound works so I've given up on them. If we people see a picture and hear some sound the mind makes it work together. Turn on a cartoon and play ANY song. It's pretty much look like it matches.
Btw, I was just thinking about DNA and the "Egg man." Is the Eggman a reference to cloning experiment?I'm starting to think Paul lost his mind on LSD or something, only to become a joker, the walrus, a fool etc...and john is crying -
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Post by B on Nov 10, 2007 14:20:05 GMT -5
There are a number of musical suggestions that a "Paul" (not necessarily the Paul) was institutionalized with mental problems. Check out the lyrics to "Mr. Bellamy" on Faul's latest CD. They describe a patient who is daft, being handled by his care-takers at a mental institution. His attendees are being careful not to provoke him. Another one to listen to would be the musical "descent in madness" that comes at the end of the song "Anyway" on the 'Chaos and Creation...' album by Faul. There are many other examples I could site, done by other groups. "The Fool on the Hill" is certainly another possible reference as well. However "I am the Walrus" goes much deeper than just the aspect of a "mad Paul", imo. You may want to scan the 'PID/PWR related songs' thread in the Clues section. There are a number of songs there that I feel address this. I realize I am the chief poster at that thread, but really, before there was an internet, the best way to get the word out was by way of the record industry, and I believe many artists did their best to stealthfully tell the story. I believe that Paul did do some highly questionable things before he died or disappeared, but he was "On the Run" (Pink Floyd ) after all. You wrote: "I was just thinking about DNA and the "Egg man." Is the Eggman a reference to (a) cloning experiment?" Iamaphoney clearly suggests as much in his videos. I think you're barking up the right tree for sure, but don't put all your eggs in one basket-case.
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Post by TotalInformation on Nov 10, 2007 14:41:19 GMT -5
do I look like some crazy ex-child actor with a marginal music career who hangs out on Beatle conspiracy message boards? I am a man of great influence, perhaps not as much as Pete Best.Mickey Dolenz, is that you?
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 10, 2007 15:03:07 GMT -5
I'm more like a poor man's danny bonaduce, but he's a much better fighter than me :}} I'm that old hounddog barking up the egg tree looking for my basket of nuts.
Here's a stupid point, wouldn't Pete Best know the real Paul well enough to tell? Oh wait that assumes he has more critical thought than the average person.
My guess is that if Paul reemerged and said "I wasn't really dead," nobody would care that much. Faul would sell the shit out of his dvd set and the real Paul would make an innovative deal with apple to allow the average consumer to collaborate with original Paul McCartney, by creating some tracks that the consumer could license. McCartney is back, but this time YOU can be John Lennon...
ok I've probably had too many crackerjacks again. I'm like the prize in your crackerjack screaming "get me out! Get me out!." (a small PID joke)
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Post by TotalInformation on Nov 10, 2007 15:21:07 GMT -5
Pete Best finally got his big shut-mouth payoff around the time of the Anthology.... he sold FAUL some old Quarrymen disc for an obscene amunt of money...
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Post by B on Nov 10, 2007 15:24:58 GMT -5
Pete Best is shown crying during an interview at a Beatles convention in this video from an Iamaphoney associate, IburiedPaul: a Lie Adds Up - son king 0911 281 F www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb2mHmMW1I
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 10, 2007 19:17:02 GMT -5
Interesting!
I noticed Ringo says, "our friend is gone" in the below video, and i reminds me of the mob euphemism for murder.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 10, 2007 19:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Nov 10, 2007 19:40:15 GMT -5
I'm more like a poor man's danny bonaduce... Hah that's OK, much rather have you here than him. Crackerjack is much better for you than steroids.. Which reminds me, is there an old commercial on Youtube?
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Post by B on Nov 10, 2007 19:55:04 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Nov 10, 2007 20:03:41 GMT -5
Oh man, the Good 'N Plenty ad, I feel like it was just yesterday. I think IBP was the "wanna share" kid or something along those lines..
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