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Post by eggy on Mar 29, 2005 6:31:57 GMT -5
Yesterday I listened this song called SUBSTITUTE by The Who. I've run a search to know what year the song was written and I found that it was from 1966 (I couldn't find which month of that year). Here are the lyrics: SUBSTITUTE by The Who You think we look pretty good together You think my shoes are made of leather But I'm a substitute for another guy I look pretty tall but my heels are high The simple things you see are all complicated I look pretty young, but I'm just back-dated, yeah Substitute your lies for fact I can see right through your plastic mac I look all white, but my dad was black My fine looking suit is really made out of sack I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth The north side of my town faced east, and the east was facing south And now you dare to look me in the eye Those crocodile tears are what you cry It's a genuine problem, you won't try To work it out at all you just pass it by, pass it by Substitute me for him Substitute my coke for gin Substitute you for my mum At least I'll get my washing done Any comment?   |
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 29, 2005 7:47:00 GMT -5
There it is, more reference to "mum'.
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Post by -Wings- on Mar 29, 2005 14:48:50 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Mar 29, 2005 19:37:16 GMT -5
Deja Vu, we talked about this one way back in the day, and I think the same thing happened, it was brought up that the date was a little too early.
Still like to know what's being talked about, what situation. Could be a guy who's girl who sees the guy she's with as someone he knows he's not.
The north side of my town faced east, and the east was facing south
What strange town is this, or a metaphor?
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Post by Doc on Mar 29, 2005 22:49:44 GMT -5
A town that the north border, or side of it, and the east side facing south, maybe that is like Washington D.C., a square which is rotated 45ยบ from an upright square. KInda of orbirtrary how you decide which border is the north one, but in a way I guess this could apply.
Also, at least I'll get my "washing done" sounds like Washington. A bit.
A stab in the dark, people.
I look pretty tall but my heels are high......hmmm......
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Post by pennylane on Mar 31, 2005 9:02:54 GMT -5
I can see right through your plastic mac
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Post by revolver on Apr 1, 2005 18:59:23 GMT -5
I look pretty tall but my heels are high......hmmm...... A reference to Paul's alleged lifts, perhaps? |
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Post by eggy on Apr 2, 2005 7:37:25 GMT -5
Ok, the date does not match but the whole song fits perfectly with Paul's death. It's like the song was written for this stuff. |
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 2, 2005 8:21:30 GMT -5
Ok, the date does not match but the whole song fits perfectly with Paul's death. It's like the song was written for this stuff. That's true, but if Valis' hunch is correct, & JPM was already using a double some of the time in 66; then this song would be more relevent than previously thought. |
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Post by eggy on Apr 2, 2005 8:42:32 GMT -5
That's true, but if Valis' hunch is correct, & JPM was already using a double some of the time in 66; then this song would be more relevent than previously thought. Yes eyesbleed, maybe this was the first song ever written about the replacement by another band, everything's match but the date............ |
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Post by Valis on Apr 2, 2005 8:56:30 GMT -5
Here are two more very interesting The Who lyrics from 66
DISGUISES (recorded jun/jul 66)
I used to know everything about you
But today when I tried to point you out to one of my friends
I picked the wrong girl again
Don't see you in the crowd anymore
I think it's you but I can't be sure
You're wearing disguises
Occasionally a girl surprises me
When she turns out to be you
Wearing disguises
I don't think you want me to see you ever again
And today I saw you dressed as a flower bed
Last week you had a wig on your head
Directing traffic in the street
And your shoes were too big for your feet
You were wearing disguises
Occasionally a girl surprises me
When she turns out to be you
Wearing disguises
[repeat first verse]
Wearing disguises
Wearing disguises
Wearing disguises
Wearing disguises
I"VE BEEN AWAY (recorded nov66)
I've been away so long
Wonder where I went wrong
Spent my last years in a cell
Never ever go away again
I've been so sad and lonely
Never ever ever gonna go away again
It's a waste of time doing time
When you dind't commit a crime
It wasn't me it was my brother Bill
And I'd have to tell never gonna speak to Bill again
He's made me sad and lonely
Never ever gonna speak to brother Bill again
It was no use, they put my brother on the jury
He bribed the others 'cause he owns the local brewery
They let me out today
Brother Bill's gonna pay
No one's ever gonna speak to Bill again
Never ever gonna speak to Bill again
He'll be too cold and bony
Never ever gonna go away again
Never ever gonna go away again
Never ever gonna go away again
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Post by eggy on Apr 3, 2005 4:49:55 GMT -5
Thanks Valis!!! Wow!!! The last one you posted fits like a glove, the date it was recorded, Bill...........  I'm asking myself what kind of relationship this band had with The Beatles. I know that Keith Moon was John's friends and they recorded some things together along with Faul in LA in 1974 and Keith ended dead, also John  BTW- I'll try to find the pic of the three together, I posted it on the 60IF forum time ago |
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Post by eggy on Apr 3, 2005 8:56:43 GMT -5
Ok, here's the pic, John, Faul and Keith Moon together in LA (1974)  |
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Post by pennylane on Apr 4, 2005 6:59:51 GMT -5
is that a photograph John's holding? "and all i've got is this photograph" |
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Post by McCIII on Apr 6, 2005 14:24:41 GMT -5
Oh yes, and all in the word know Paul is dead and replaced, no?
insults deleted, Paul is alive and well, enjoy him now!
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Post by eggy on Apr 8, 2005 4:09:22 GMT -5
Do you still hear me MC III? I love Paul's music............... and some of Faul's music too, don't get me wrong |
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Post by -Wings- on Apr 8, 2005 4:57:28 GMT -5
Right... our interest in PID lore and what really happened in '66 has nothing to do with a dislike of the artist known today as Paul McCartney. I think most of us here are fans of him.
We're just too often confused with the other forum.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 8, 2005 7:37:44 GMT -5
Right... our interest in PID lore and what really happened in '66 has nothing to do with a dislike of the artist known today as Paul McCartney. I think most of us here are fans of him. We're just too often confused with the other forum. People with the mentality of McCIII are very easily confused anyway. |
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Post by JoJo on Apr 11, 2005 18:17:41 GMT -5
Right... our interest in PID lore and what really happened in '66 has nothing to do with a dislike of the artist known today as Paul McCartney. I think most of us here are fans of him. I find myself utterly facinated with Beatle Bill of late. It follows that we'd all get around to him eventually. Moral judgements are not for me, I leave that to those who think they could put themselves in the place of all involved. Guess what, you can't! |
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Post by Doc on Apr 11, 2005 21:51:10 GMT -5
And, JoJo. I second that! I too am coming to see the different
facets of a man in such an unusual, but blessed, position.
Fate, or history, or Providence, had provided William an opportunity that is pretty much unheard of.
And, it's a position that from the start was filled with potentials and possibilities, and remains so to this day.
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Post by xpt626 on Apr 12, 2005 2:26:31 GMT -5
...Fate, or history, or Providence, had provided William an opportunity that is pretty much unheard of. true. Anyone remember the Milli Vanilli scandal? I don't blame those young guys (Rob and Fabrice). The one who "should've known better" was (producer) Frank Farian  |
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Post by revolver on Apr 13, 2005 22:41:16 GMT -5
Another possible reference to Bill, being "born with a plastic spoon" in that he probably came from humble beginnings.
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Post by Valis on Aug 5, 2005 9:37:14 GMT -5
I'm still not sure of the Tara Browne ( Guinness heir) connection but these lyrics I posted earlier in this thread from The Who's "I've Been Away" really make me wonder:
"It was no use, they put my brother on the jury
He bribed the others 'cause he owns the local brewery"
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Post by missvagabond on Aug 5, 2005 19:52:07 GMT -5
Here are two more very interesting The Who lyrics from 66 I"VE BEEN AWAY (recorded nov66) I've been away so long Wonder where I went wrong Spent my last years in a cell Never ever go away again I've been so sad and lonely Never ever ever gonna go away again It's a waste of time doing time When you dind't commit a crime It wasn't me it was my brother Bill And I'd have to tell never gonna speak to Bill again He's made me sad and lonely Never ever gonna speak to brother Bill again It was no use, they put my brother on the jury He bribed the others 'cause he owns the local brewery They let me out today Brother Bill's gonna pay No one's ever gonna speak to Bill again Never ever gonna speak to Bill again He'll be too cold and bony Never ever gonna go away again Never ever gonna go away again Never ever gonna go away again Could Bill have had a hand in writing this? It almost sounds "Confessional". Even though it speaks of a "Brother Bill"..it almost seems like self-pity in a way. Maybe Bill having feelings of guilt, but changing the context so it reads like Bill's the bad guy and the person in a prison cell is who? Paul...I don't know if that makes any sense at all. Maybe it's just a way of telling the story in a very suttle way. I don't think Bill did anything deliberately wrong by replacing Paul. Maybe it's like, written from Bill's perscective. He's about to put himself in a prison (Playing the role of another person's identity), then his old life as Bill get's to go free. As in, Bill is freed from his old identity but imprisoned by his new role impersonating Paul. Maybe that makes no sense, whatsoever. I'm just wondering if Bill had a hand in writing it. |
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Post by 8749 on Jul 8, 2009 18:52:49 GMT -5
This song is about Romany Faul.
Lyrics: I look pretty young, but I'm just back-dated.
I look all white, but my dad was black (Romanies call themselves black-blooded.)
I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth (Faul's poor background.)
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