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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 25, 2006 2:02:54 GMT -5
MI6-Faul's bizarre bass pattern colors of red, white and black = colors of the Nazi flag. The bloody streaks/ geometrical patterns on the instrument body form almost-completed swastikas. Matches the faces of one-time Liverpool resident Adolph Hitler you can find on the Faul-Beatles album covers. Sheppard's a sick, sociopathic man. "Ye shall know them by their fruit." Hmmm. There is, as far as I can tell, NO fruit whatsoever on Macca's tree that indicate anything remotely close to "Nazi" or "sociopathic." beatlies, his beloved wife Linda was Jewish. I can not agree with your conclusion. The incidental art on his bass is just incidental art. It may have some meaning for him, but that could not be sympathy for a murderous philosophy or a murderous regime. Hitler and his cronies were full of irrational hate, and they acted violently on it. You may have your opinion. I think if you examine his life, you will find that he is for all peoples getting along in peace. He is for life, not violence, he is for understanding, not chaos, he is for peace, not war. He is for fairness and love. Read his lyrics. Exactly. the "Pipes Of Peace" are Macca's way. Not death and destruction.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 25, 2006 2:11:18 GMT -5
[ You grow up, V from Ontario. Beatlies, there's so much love in the World. Why focus so much on hatred? In any case, I don't wish you anything but Love.
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Post by beatlies on Feb 25, 2006 2:16:15 GMT -5
You grow up, V from Ontario. You won't even give a straight answer as to whether you think JPM was repaced and Faul is JPM. That's why you left this board months ago then returned without explanation. Stop insulting me and trying to censor this board. Look closely at the bass --do you see what look like bloody red swastikas? Yes you do ! Now look at the thread on the hidden mirrored pictures in the Sgt. Pepper cover. Look at the Stockhausen mirror face of ADOLPH HITLER and the German eagle blending with the American bald eagle symbols. Now look at the thread on LIVERPOOL HITLER RELATIVES. Do you think maybe John Lennon and George Harrison were trying to tell us something? "I don't believe in Hitler" "There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs" Quick V ---name those tunes ! I really don't like it when the tone of the forum gets dragged to personal argument level so let's put these attacks and supression attempts of yours aside and move on. Peace? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but don't try to stop me or anyone from bringing these OBVIOUS fascist connections up for discussion. I feel sorry for you. And you don't know me as well as you think you do. The truth is, the evil that you see in "Faul" is merely a reflection of what you already see within yourself. Your reality that is "Faul = Hitler follower" is one that you create on your own. Isn't it? You discover what you want to. There's no Hitler connection. And for the record, don't tell me why and how I left NIR. I happen to respect people here and YOU are an exception that proves the rule of open - mindedness here. Your words don't scare me so don't try to bully me with your hot air! How dare you equate Macca with Hitler.. utterly cowardly. And so easy to do ... Actually I DID NOT "equate Macca with Hitler" did I? You do have to admit however that playing a bass guitar with what would in fact look to many like bloody dripping swastikas is perhaps a bit sick ....... By the way have you heard FAUL's audio demo of his anti-immigrant ditty "Pakistanis out !" that was the beginning form of "Get Back" ? On the other hand, hey, it could be that Faul is leaving us clues and trying to send us ANTI-fascist messages as a whistleblower, feeling uncomfortable in the role of JPM imposter and LSD promoter, but somehow that seems increasingly doubtful in such cases as this ........... "The truth is, the evil that you see in "Faul" is merely a reflection of what you already see within yourself. Your reality that is "Faul = Hitler follower" is one that you create on your own. Isn't it?"Hmm a thief shouting "stop thief!" Talk about projection... Nope, V, exactly wrong. Reality is just reality, nothing more. The evil that I and people in general see is in disrupters, trolls and possible shills from Ontario such as yourself trying to censor and sidetrack this forum and truth researchers. A little snarl-bomb of yours just exploded in you own face again, V from Ontario. Actually one-time Liverpool resident and uncle of Liverpool native William Patrick Hitler, Adolph Hitler, started himself as an undercover German police agent infiltrating and disrupting political groups. Obtain a mirror and look into it. By the way, I'll continue to post whatever observations and discoveries I like, as long as the comments are within the rules of this forum, which you should re-read.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 25, 2006 2:31:10 GMT -5
I feel sorry for you. And you don't know me as well as you think you do. The truth is, the evil that you see in "Faul" is merely a reflection of what you already see within yourself. Your reality that is "Faul = Hitler follower" is one that you create on your own. Isn't it? You discover what you want to. There's no Hitler connection. And for the record, don't tell me why and how I left NIR. I happen to respect people here and YOU are an exception that proves the rule of open - mindedness here. Your words don't scare me so don't try to bully me with your hot air! How dare you equate Macca with Hitler.. utterly cowardly. And so easy to do ... Actually I DID NOT "equate Macca with Hitler" did I? You do have to admit however that playing a bass guitar with what would in fact look to many like bloody dripping swastikas is perhaps a bit sick ....... By the way have you heard FAUL's audio demo of his anti-immigrant ditty "Pakistanis out !" that was the beginning form of "Get Back" ? On the other hand, hey, it could be that Faul is leaving us clues and trying to send us ANTI-fascist messages as a whistleblower, feeling uncomfortable in the role of JPM imposter and LSD promoter, but somehow that seems increasingly doubtful in such cases as this ........... "The truth is, the evil that you see in "Faul" is merely a reflection of what you already see within yourself. Your reality that is "Faul = Hitler follower" is one that you create on your own. Isn't it?"Hmm a thief shouting "stop thief!" Talk about projection... Nope, V, exactly wrong. Reality is just reality, nothing more. The evil that I and people in general see is in disrupters, trolls and possible shills from Ontario such as yourself trying to censor and sidetrack this forum and truth researchers. A little snarl-bomb of yours just exploded in you own face again, V from Ontario. Actually one-time Liverpool resident and uncle of Liverpool native William Patrick Hitler, Adolph Hitler, started himself as an undercover German police agent infiltrating and disrupting political groups. Obtain a mirror and look into it. By the way, I'll continue to post whatever observations and discoveries I like, as long as the comments are within the rules of this forum, which you should re-read. Well... I happen to be the sort of person who'd rather see the good in people. That's just my nature. So, having said that, I'll assume that YOU are a good person. Can you find it in your heart to see Macca as a person who is potentially... good?
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Post by beatlies on Feb 25, 2006 2:35:29 GMT -5
MI6-Faul's bizarre bass pattern colors of red, white and black = colors of the Nazi flag. The bloody streaks/ geometrical patterns on the instrument body form almost-completed swastikas. Matches the faces of one-time Liverpool resident Adolph Hitler you can find on the Faul-Beatles album covers. Sheppard's a sick, sociopathic man. "Ye shall know them by their fruit." Hmmm. There is, as far as I can tell, NO fruit whatsoever on Macca's tree that indicate anything remotely close to "Nazi" or "sociopathic." beatlies, his beloved wife Linda was Jewish. I can not agree with your conclusion. The incidental art on his bass is just incidental art. It may have some meaning for him, but that could not be sympathy for a murderous philosophy or a murderous regime. Hitler and his cronies were full of irrational hate, and they acted violently on it. You may have your opinion. I think if you examine his life, you will find that he is for all peoples getting along in peace. He is for life, not violence, he is for understanding, not chaos, he is for peace, not war. He is for fairness and love. Read his lyrics. Something's wrong here DoctorRobert, I did not write "Ye shall know them by their fruit" in my post. How did that get in there in your quotation of my quote? Anyway, when you see that bloody pattern, coupled with the Hitler face(s) on Sgt. Pepper and Hitler and Nazis in their lyrics you kinda think of a coherent pattern emerging, right? A disturbing one. I did not say this automatically makes him a Nazi did I? For anyone to play that thing, however ... would you play a guitar or piano illustrated like that as your instrument of choice? It is strange and sick, to say the least. I know Linda was Jewish, but you really have to question her taste in husbands. I'm not thrilled with the way Leo Epstein anglicized the name to "Eastman" to sound WASPish but that of course is not her fault. I'd like to believe that "Pipes of Peace" is closer to imposter agent Faul's heart, inasmuch as an imposter agent can have one, but then again we have to deal with the songs and instrumentals scripted for him, that he gleefully performs, such as: "FROZEN JAP" (!!!!!!!!!!!) 1979"NO PAKISTANIS" 1969 after reading about the infamous speech by Enoch Powell. "MAXWELL'S SILVER HAMMER" Fun with a serial killer of young women and a judge. "LIVE AND LET DIE" --James Bond just like Faul in MMT cartoons! Song uniquely glorifying cold-heartedness, calousness and murder. Very sensitive of him to perform this at the Superbowl with BushSr. watching down from the stadium stands in the middle of two horrible U.S/ British wars of aggression "in witch" American, British, Iraqi and Afghan people are getting viciously slaughtered daily. "BACK IN THE USSR" ---snide, sarcastic attack on the peoples of the Soviet Union (not even the government, the peoples who live in Moscow, the Ukraine, Georgia etc.) "TOO MANY PEOPLE" --anti-John Lennon, anti-peace activists/social justice activists song "SILLY LOVE SONGS" --the opposite of "Pipes of Peace." and on and on ............. Don't some of those songs bother you? The things that make you go hmmmmm .............
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 25, 2006 3:00:25 GMT -5
"SILLY LOVE SONGS" --the opposite of "Pipes of Peace." and on and on ............. Don't some of those songs bother you? The things that make you go hmmmmm ............. I never thought I'd live to see the day when "Silly Love Songs" took on an ominous tone... go figure! ;D
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Post by Doc on Feb 25, 2006 3:10:21 GMT -5
Something's wrong here DoctorRobert, I did not write "Ye shall know them by their fruit" in my post. How did that get in there in your quotation of my quote? Anyway, when you see that bloody pattern, coupled with the Hitler face(s) on Sgt. Pepper and Hitler and Nazis in their lyrics you kinda think of a coherent pattern emerging, right? A disturbing one. I did not say this automatically makes him a Nazi did I? For anyone to play that thing, however ... would you play a guitar or piano illustrated like that as your instrument of choice? It is strange and sick, to say the least. I know Linda was Jewish, but you really have to question her taste in husbands. I'm not thrilled with the way Leo Epstein anglicized the name to "Eastman" to sound WASPish but that of course is not her fault. I'd like to believe that "Pipes of Peace" is closer to imposter agent Faul's heart, inasmuch as an imposter agent can have one, but then again we have to deal with the songs and instrumentals scripted for him, that he gleefully performs, such as: "FROZEN JAP" (!!!!!!!!!!!) 1979"NO PAKISTANIS" 1969 after reading about the infamous speech by Enoch Powell. "MAXWELL'S SILVER HAMMER" Fun with a serial killer of young women and a judge. "LIVE AND LET DIE" --James Bond just like Faul in MMT cartoons! Song uniquely glorifying cold-heartedness, calousness and murder. Very sensitive of him to perform this at the Superbowl with BushSr. watching down from the stadium stands in the middle of two horrible U.S/ British wars of aggression "in witch" American, British, Iraqi and Afghan people are getting viciously slaughtered daily. "BACK IN THE USSR" ---snide, sarcastic attack on the peoples of the Soviet Union (not even the government, the peoples who live in Moscow, the Ukraine, Georgia etc.) "TOO MANY PEOPLE" --anti-John Lennon, anti-peace activists/social justice activists song "SILLY LOVE SONGS" --the opposite of "Pipes of Peace." and on and on ............. Don't some of those songs bother you? The things that make you go hmmmmm ............. I fixed the
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Post by beatlies on Feb 25, 2006 3:20:20 GMT -5
Something's wrong here DoctorRobert, I did not write "Ye shall know them by their fruit" in my post. How did that get in there in your quotation of my quote? Anyway, when you see that bloody pattern, coupled with the Hitler face(s) on Sgt. Pepper and Hitler and Nazis in their lyrics you kinda think of a coherent pattern emerging, right? A disturbing one. I did not say this automatically makes him a Nazi did I? For anyone to play that thing, however ... would you play a guitar or piano illustrated like that as your instrument of choice? It is strange and sick, to say the least. I know Linda was Jewish, but you really have to question her taste in husbands. I'm not thrilled with the way Leo Epstein anglicized the name to "Eastman" to sound WASPish but that of course is not her fault. I'd like to believe that "Pipes of Peace" is closer to imposter agent Faul's heart, inasmuch as an imposter agent can have one, but then again we have to deal with the songs and instrumentals scripted for him, that he gleefully performs, such as: "FROZEN JAP" (!!!!!!!!!!!) 1979"NO PAKISTANIS" 1969 after reading about the infamous speech by Enoch Powell. "MAXWELL'S SILVER HAMMER" Fun with a serial killer of young women and a judge. "LIVE AND LET DIE" --James Bond just like Faul in MMT cartoons! Song uniquely glorifying cold-heartedness, calousness and murder. Very sensitive of him to perform this at the Superbowl with BushSr. watching down from the stadium stands in the middle of two horrible U.S/ British wars of aggression "in witch" American, British, Iraqi and Afghan people are getting viciously slaughtered daily. "BACK IN THE USSR" ---snide, sarcastic attack on the peoples of the Soviet Union (not even the government, the peoples who live in Moscow, the Ukraine, Georgia etc.) "TOO MANY PEOPLE" --anti-John Lennon, anti-peace activists/social justice activists song "SILLY LOVE SONGS" --the opposite of "Pipes of Peace." and on and on ............. Don't some of those songs bother you? The things that make you go hmmmmm ............. I fixed the Here's information from the web on "Frozen Jap" Faul's "No Pakistanis" that was the original version of "Get Back" --- The Commonwealth Song and No Pakistanis come to mind when at the recent British elections in May 2005, the Labor Government was challenged over its immigration policies. It recalled an earlier situation 36 years ago in January 1969.
British cabinet minister Enoch Powell made his infamous "Rivers of Blood" speech in which Powell used a reference in Virgil to the river Tiber foaming with much blood to describe what he thought would happen if the tide of Commonwealth immigrants was not stemmed. This speech influenced Eric Clapton to comment favorably of Enoch Powell [!] and it made a deeper impression on Paul McCartney.
The Beatles had gone into Twickenham studios on Jan 2, 1969 to rehearse and prepare for an as yet unscheduled live performance. Most of the sessions were jams of old rock ‘n’ roll tunes. But on Jan 9, McCartney rewrote the lyrics to a song he had started on Jan 7.
McCartney wrote what he called the "Commonwealth Song" based on Powell's speech. One of the stanzas was "You'd better get back to your Commonwealth homes". However, as evident from bootlegs, the "Commonwealth Song" has no resemblance to the final version of "Get Back". On the same day, the Beatles recorded yet another version, this time entitled "No Pakistanis". The choruses of both were almost the same, but "No Pakistanis" was more racially charged, as the singer [MI6-river of blood-bass swastika pattern-FAUL] sang about how he "don't dig no Pakistanis taking all the people's jobs". This reference haunted the 2005 British elections as well, voters remembered the stories of dead migrants found in the back of lorries.
There is only one instance of the "Get Back" song jammed as "No Pakistanis". In the next few days, McCartney changed the lyrics to describe a man named Jojo who leaves his home in Tucson, Arizona "for some California grass", and then recommending that he return to Tucson. Linda McCartney's former residence in Tucson was likely the inspiration for the revised lyrics. In a 1980 interview with Playboy, Lennon described it as "...a better version of 'Lady Madonna.' You know, a potboiler rewrite."
It was only in 1986 that bootlegs featuring "No Pakistanis" were made public. As expected, McCartney was heavily criticised for his alleged racist tendencies. Although McCartney denied the accusations, the controversy failed to subside for a few months.
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Post by noodles on Feb 25, 2006 5:33:34 GMT -5
I don't think the 'Paul' in the 'All You Need Is Love' video is the same 'Paul' that performs 'Get Back'. Nor do I think there's a swastika on his guitar. It looks more like a 'PM' to me.
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Post by beatlies on Feb 25, 2006 8:57:17 GMT -5
The lyrics to original songrightist Faul's "No Pakistanis" of the 1969 studio "Let It Be" get-togethers:
No Pakistanis
Paul: ...don't dig no Pakistani's taking all the people's jobs. Oh, get back! Get Back! Oh, get back to where you once belonged. [X2]
(vocalising)... was a Puerto Rican... (more vocalising), (vocalising)... living in the USA. Get back! Oh, get Back! Get back to where you once belonged. [X2]
(Paul vocalises lots of 'whoo!' and 'whoop' noises) Oh, get back! Oh, get back! Get back to where you once belonged. [X2]
(vocalising)... was a Pakistani... (more vocalising), (vocalising)... don't dig no Pakistanis taking all the people's jobs. So, get back! Get back! Get back to where you once belonged. [X2]
(Paul vocalises more 'whoo!' and 'whoop' noises) (almost screaming now) Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back! [X2]
© Northern Songs
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Post by JoJo on Feb 25, 2006 11:54:36 GMT -5
No Pakistanis was a one off, of the hundred or so takes of this song that are out there, this is the only one with these lyrics. The lyrics were from Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech, where he claimed Britain would soon be "running in a river of blood" if current immigration levels were allowed to continue. LINKSounds more like he was mocking Mr. Powell, of course that's just MY opinion. Frozen Jap is an instrumental, trying to get the meaning of this one is impossible, except perhaps as a shot at one person in particular. He should have used better judgment and not used a word that has racist connotations..
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Feb 25, 2006 23:19:54 GMT -5
The piano man not really comfortable with a bass. Can he really play bass? When you see him, mostly behind his piano or lamely playing a guitar.
Sing us a song piano man, sing us a song tonight We're all in the mood for a melody, and you got us feelin' alright...
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Post by plastic paul on Feb 26, 2006 6:58:10 GMT -5
I only see anything remotely looking like a swastika in one of the many photos posted in this thread and available elsewhere which leads me to belive that it isn't intentional.
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Post by lili on Feb 26, 2006 9:56:20 GMT -5
Beatlies wrote: That song has always bothered me. I remember as a child wondering where the HELL that came from Live & let die always gives me the chills. There's power in that song. I think that song has more "negative" power in it than any other song Bill has recorded ! It's as if that song is his Revolution #9 ! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by il ras on Feb 26, 2006 19:55:26 GMT -5
Wasn't "Live and let die" the title of both the movie and the book? How should the song be called?
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Post by lili on Feb 27, 2006 11:31:30 GMT -5
Of course it was, ilras. We're saying that he used that to try to get across some of his personal views. Bill is very good at that. I wonder if Sir George Martin wrote the musical score for that song. Like I stated, certain passages emanate power.
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Post by noodles on Feb 27, 2006 16:38:26 GMT -5
Live And Let Die
When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say live and let live (you know you did, you know you did you know you did) But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry Say live and let die Live and let die Live and let die Live and let die
What does it matter to ya When you got a job to do You gotta do it well You gotta give the other fellow hell
When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say live and let live (you know you did, you know you did, you know you did) But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry
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Post by mciiii on Feb 27, 2006 19:08:20 GMT -5
"FROZEN JAP" (!!!!!!!!!!!) 1979 This crappy instrumental track called 'Frozen Jap,' is a song that goes a long way in explaining Paul's infamous earlier January 1980 drug bust in Japan, when customs officials found a half-pound bag of Linda's weed in the couple's luggage (Paul, ever the gentleman, claimed it as his own and was promptly whisked away to the slammer). However, a short stint in a Japanese prison is a just and appropriate punishment for foisting this horrendous album upon the world, even if the punishment was before the crime. In 1986 Bootleg recordings surfaced revealing the Beatles had jammed an alternate 'take' with the lyrics "Don't dig no Pakistanis, taking all the peoples jobs", suggesting Pakistani immigrants in the United Kingdom should "get back" to their native land. The Beatles and McCartney, the principal composer, took heavy criticism for the alternate version, despite their insistence that it was meant as political satire, and not racial intolerance, the controversy failed to subside for several months. The life of "Get Back" began during the rehearsal sessions on the sound stage at Twickenham Studios in early January 1969, when McCartney lifted "Get back to where you should be" from fellow Beatle George Harrison's "Sour Milk Sea" (the song was later given to Jackie Lomax to record), and turned it into "Get back to where you once belonged". Later, on the press release to promote the "Get Back" single, McCartney would write, "We were sitting in the studio and we made it up out of thin air... we started to write words there and then...when we finished it, we recorded it at Apple Studios and made it into a song to roller-coast by." Around the time he had the first inklings of "Get Back", McCartney was inspired to satirise the "Rivers of Blood Speech" by British Cabinet minister Enoch Powell, in which Powell used a reference in Virgil to the river Tiber foaming with blood to describe what he thought would happen if the tide of Commonwealth immigrants was not stemmed. McCartney jammed what has become known as the "Commonwealth song" losely based on Powell's speech. The lyrics included a line "You'd better get back to your Commonwealth homes". However, as evident from bootlegs, the "Commonwealth Song" has no resemblance to the final version of "Get Back", but is good insight into the creative process that developed the song. Around this time (probably the same day) the Beatles jammed another take of what was to become "Get Back", this which has become known in Beatles folklore as the "No Pakistanis" take. The chorus includes the developing 'get back' refrain, but "No Pakistanis" is more racially charged, satirising the right wing attitudes like - (we) "don't dig no Pakistanis taking all the people's jobs". However, most of the song was random screaming and vocalizing with random lines. The song was further developed into what McCartney described as a "protest song", and in subsequent rehersal takes (many of which John Lennon sings) the immigration theme is developed into a full verse. By mid-January the song had developed into three verses: the first being the 'Lorreta Martin' verse, the second being the Jo-jo verse and the third the 'Pakistanis verse'. Whilst heard by Beatles fans on bootleg for over a decade the lyrics to third verse are not widely known: "Meanwhile back at home there's nineteen Pakistanis, Living in a council flat Candid little neighbour tells them what the plan is, Then he tells them where its at" These lyrics show the true meaning of the 'Pakistani' references, which were a social commentary on the racist attitudes of the time. In a 1980 interview with Playboy, Lennon described it as "...a better version of 'Lady Madonna.' You know, a potboiler rewrite." Lady Madonna was widely considerred a social commentary. On 23 January when the group (now in Apple Studios) tried to record the song properly; bootleg recordings preserve a conversation between McCartney and Harrison inbetween early takes discussing the song, and McCartney explaining the original "protest song" concept. The recording captures the group deciding to drop the third verse largely because McCartney doesn't feel the verse is of high enough quality, although he likes the scanning of the word 'Pakistani'. the most salient point about this song (other than the fact that after three decades it still kicks). The Beatles were always looking for an outlet for thumbing their noses at B.S. At the time this song was recorded, there was a major political campaign in England (sort of like the USA in 2000, only uglier). The British conservatives had a huge re-take-the-government campaign with the slogan "I'm Backing the UK"... Paul twisted that into "Im Back In (backin') the USSR." Instead of sounding like the conservative capitalists, he is mischieviously taunting the right-wingers by praising the "snow-peaked mountains" and beauty of the great wicked empire and its beautiful women. It's the Beatles tweaking the nose of the political establishment.... (not to mention the fact that a plane flying from Miami Beach to Russia in 1968 would have shot out of the sky.) End of history lesson. off his RAM album blatantly admonishes yoko for breaking the Beatles apart: "Too many people pulled and pushed around/Too many waiting for that lucky break/That was your first mistake/You took your lucky break and broke it in two." A source at McCartney's record label, EMI, revealed: "It's well known Paul and Yoko have never been mates and never will be." He added: "Too Many People is a very elaborate way of saying, 'What the f**k have you got to do with me and John? You were only his wife so stop interfering'. Paul has always said, 'I took abuse from John, who called me a lot worse when he was alive, but I'm not going to take it from Yoko now he's gone'." No.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Feb 27, 2006 20:18:10 GMT -5
"FROZEN JAP" (!!!!!!!!!!!) 1979 This crappy instrumental track called 'Frozen Jap,' is a song that goes a long way in explaining Paul's infamous earlier January 1980 drug bust in Japan, when customs officials found a half-pound bag of Linda's weed in the couple's luggage (Paul, ever the gentleman, claimed it as his own and was promptly whisked away to the slammer). However, a short stint in a Japanese prison is a just and appropriate punishment for foisting this horrendous album upon the world, even if the punishment was before the crime. In 1986 Bootleg recordings surfaced revealing the Beatles had jammed an alternate 'take' with the lyrics "Don't dig no Pakistanis, taking all the peoples jobs", suggesting Pakistani immigrants in the United Kingdom should "get back" to their native land. The Beatles and McCartney, the principal composer, took heavy criticism for the alternate version, despite their insistence that it was meant as political satire, and not racial intolerance, the controversy failed to subside for several months. The life of "Get Back" began during the rehearsal sessions on the sound stage at Twickenham Studios in early January 1969, when McCartney lifted "Get back to where you should be" from fellow Beatle George Harrison's "Sour Milk Sea" (the song was later given to Jackie Lomax to record), and turned it into "Get back to where you once belonged". Later, on the press release to promote the "Get Back" single, McCartney would write, "We were sitting in the studio and we made it up out of thin air... we started to write words there and then...when we finished it, we recorded it at Apple Studios and made it into a song to roller-coast by." Around the time he had the first inklings of "Get Back", McCartney was inspired to satirise the "Rivers of Blood Speech" by British Cabinet minister Enoch Powell, in which Powell used a reference in Virgil to the river Tiber foaming with blood to describe what he thought would happen if the tide of Commonwealth immigrants was not stemmed. McCartney jammed what has become known as the "Commonwealth song" losely based on Powell's speech. The lyrics included a line "You'd better get back to your Commonwealth homes". However, as evident from bootlegs, the "Commonwealth Song" has no resemblance to the final version of "Get Back", but is good insight into the creative process that developed the song. Around this time (probably the same day) the Beatles jammed another take of what was to become "Get Back", this which has become known in Beatles folklore as the "No Pakistanis" take. The chorus includes the developing 'get back' refrain, but "No Pakistanis" is more racially charged, satirising the right wing attitudes like - (we) "don't dig no Pakistanis taking all the people's jobs". However, most of the song was random screaming and vocalizing with random lines. The song was further developed into what McCartney described as a "protest song", and in subsequent rehersal takes (many of which John Lennon sings) the immigration theme is developed into a full verse. By mid-January the song had developed into three verses: the first being the 'Lorreta Martin' verse, the second being the Jo-jo verse and the third the 'Pakistanis verse'. Whilst heard by Beatles fans on bootleg for over a decade the lyrics to third verse are not widely known: "Meanwhile back at home there's nineteen Pakistanis, Living in a council flat Candid little neighbour tells them what the plan is, Then he tells them where its at" These lyrics show the true meaning of the 'Pakistani' references, which were a social commentary on the racist attitudes of the time. In a 1980 interview with Playboy, Lennon described it as "...a better version of 'Lady Madonna.' You know, a potboiler rewrite." Lady Madonna was widely considerred a social commentary. On 23 January when the group (now in Apple Studios) tried to record the song properly; bootleg recordings preserve a conversation between McCartney and Harrison inbetween early takes discussing the song, and McCartney explaining the original "protest song" concept. The recording captures the group deciding to drop the third verse largely because McCartney doesn't feel the verse is of high enough quality, although he likes the scanning of the word 'Pakistani'. the most salient point about this song (other than the fact that after three decades it still kicks). The Beatles were always looking for an outlet for thumbing their noses at B.S. At the time this song was recorded, there was a major political campaign in England (sort of like the USA in 2000, only uglier). The British conservatives had a huge re-take-the-government campaign with the slogan "I'm Backing the UK"... Paul twisted that into "Im Back In (backin') the USSR." Instead of sounding like the conservative capitalists, he is mischieviously taunting the right-wingers by praising the "snow-peaked mountains" and beauty of the great wicked empire and its beautiful women. It's the Beatles tweaking the nose of the political establishment.... (not to mention the fact that a plane flying from Miami Beach to Russia in 1968 would have shot out of the sky.) End of history lesson. off his RAM album blatantly admonishes yoko for breaking the Beatles apart: "Too many people pulled and pushed around/Too many waiting for that lucky break/That was your first mistake/You took your lucky break and broke it in two." A source at McCartney's record label, EMI, revealed: "It's well known Paul and Yoko have never been mates and never will be." He added: "Too Many People is a very elaborate way of saying, 'What the f**k have you got to do with me and John? You were only his wife so stop interfering'. Paul has always said, 'I took abuse from John, who called me a lot worse when he was alive, but I'm not going to take it from Yoko now he's gone'." No. That's a great post, McIII! Unfortunetely, it seems like maybe Yoko and Macca still don't get along. Although I've heard they do get along nowadays. It's hard to know where they really stand with each other. Tolerant aquaintences? friends? Enemies? Who knows for sure....
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Post by lili on Mar 1, 2006 13:33:11 GMT -5
From Live & Let Die: Is this Bill's way of admitting that for him it was just a job ? I wonder who this other fellow is that he's talking about ? Could it be Paul ? Could he be saying that it's his job to be a better Paul than Paul was himself ?! How vain is this guy ?! Like he could EVER fill Paul's shoes From Too Many People: McCartney III wrote: A source at McCartney's record label, EMI, revealed: "It's well known Paul and Yoko have never been mates and never will be." He added: "Too Many People is a very elaborate way of saying, 'What the f**k have you got to do with me and John? You were only his wife so stop interfering'. Paul has always said, 'I took abuse from John, who called me a lot worse when he was alive, but I'm not going to take it from Yoko now he's gone'." I'm sure that Bill feels that way. I'm glad that John gave it to him time & again ! He deserved it for sticking his nose in John & the rest of the Beatle's business. He was there to fill in for Paul. He never was, nor will he ever be, Paul. Sometimes I have to wonder who I despise more, Yoko or Bill. I think the reason that they have such a dislike for each other is because they're so much alike ! From Too Many People: If that song is about Yoko, Bill is accusing her of breaking John. It's sad to say, but he's right. Yoko is at least partially responsible for breaking John's spirit.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 1, 2006 21:57:17 GMT -5
Live And Let Die When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say live and let live (you know you did, you know you did you know you did) But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry Say live and let die Live and let die Live and let die Live and let die What does it matter to ya When you got a job to do You gotta do it well You gotta give the other fellow hell When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say live and let live (you know you did, you know you did, you know you did) But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry Seeing these lyrics printed out in front of you you really get to realize the meaning of the song. It stands out right away. Is there any doubt Bill is singing to John? Bill's telling John that he(John) had a different attitude towards life when he was younger and it changed after the trauma of Paul's death but John still has to accept that Paul is no longer here and Bill has filled his shoes. Something very hard for John to do. I can't help but feeling how shallow Bill is after reading these lyrics.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 2, 2006 2:26:27 GMT -5
I can't help but feeling how shallow Bill is after reading these lyrics.
Don't forget his collaborator on this one, Sir George Martin.
(Though, to be fair to SirGM, it seems to me faulguy was usually the lyricist and his collaborator the musical composer.)
It's a harsh tune alright.
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Post by mciiii on Mar 2, 2006 15:45:33 GMT -5
Seeing these lyrics printed out in front of you you really get to realize the meaning of the song. It stands out right away. Is there any doubt Bill is singing to John? Maybe is another chapter in the Lennon vs McCartney death match and nothing more. Lennon: When I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody’s help in any way. But now these days are gone, I’m not so self assured, Now I find I’ve changed my mind and opened up the doors. McCartney: When You Were Young And Your Heart Was An Open Book You Used To Say "Live And Let Live" (You Know You Did, You Know You Did, You Know You Did) But If This Ever Changing World In Which We Live In Makes You Give In And Cry Lennon: But when you talk about destruction Don't you know you can count me out, inMcCartney: Say "Live And Let Die" "Live And Let Die" "Live And Let Die" "Live And Let Die"
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Post by lili on Mar 3, 2006 10:11:01 GMT -5
tkp66, never be sorry about that. Sometimes old threads need to be addressed anew. New members join us & they have fresh insights ! Beatlies posted: I don't know about the swastika bit, but I can see that the pattern resembles blood spatter. I watch ALOT of Law & Order, Cold Case Files, American Justice, etc., etc. ;D DarkHorse makes some very valid points about Live & Let Die. After reading what he said, I reread the lyrics. I've always felt that Bill was singing that song about his replacement of Paul. It never occurred to me that he was addressing John. I know that Live & Let Die is the name of the book & movie. Still, it does fit Bill's situation to a T. I wonder who actually wrote those lyrics ? Questions, always more questions. Live & let die... He's telling John to go on with his life & let his memories of Paul die. You're right, Darkhorse. That's a very cold sentiment indeed Ahhhh, it seems that Totalinformation answered my question:
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