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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 26, 2007 22:50:37 GMT -5
This is Sir George Martin's coat of arms. There are only three beetles. The shield is puzzle pieces. On either side of the helmet are two giant cartoon hands giving the finger big time. The zebra is holding a shepherds crook. Here is a link to the official UK government college of arms. You can read the blazon that describes the coat of arms there. www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Martin.htm |
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Post by JoJo on Jun 27, 2007 4:59:15 GMT -5
There's an old thread with the same subject. (I think you are correct about the "twin birds") |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 8:06:15 GMT -5
There's an old thread with the same subject. (I think you are correct about the "twin birds") Hey thanks for that. I used the search engine before I posted but I guess it doesn't work very well.  -j |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 8:08:06 GMT -5
Over on that other thread the consensus seems to be that AMORE SOLUM OPUS EST means roughly "all you need is love," but couldn't it also mean "for the love of my land is my work?"
-j
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Post by il ras on Jun 27, 2007 9:03:12 GMT -5
nope ;D
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jun 27, 2007 9:06:44 GMT -5
jarvitronics wrote:
"I used the search engine before I posted but I guess it doesn't work very well."
;D It's an open secret here. Best to look for words and phrases you know would come up in
the context of a discussion. For instance, look up " warm gun" instead of "Happiness is a Warm Gun",
and don't use quotation marks, if you can get away with it.
Always enter a number in the "hours" column. I always put "20".
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 9:12:02 GMT -5
Ummm. Just a nope? No explanation? Amore = love (not really - the "e" does not belong. Amo or amor, but not amore). Solum = land, earth, soil Opus = work, labor Est = it is right, it is fitting, that which is one's by right Where is this poor silly dropout going wrong in his translation? -j |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jun 27, 2007 9:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 9:32:28 GMT -5
Yes I already read those posts, and I understand that "all you need is love" is one legit translation of the phrase.
What I am asking is if there is another translation - a double meaning.
Solum has more than one meaning. (How ironic is that?)
-j
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Post by il ras on Jun 27, 2007 10:02:15 GMT -5
Ummm. Just a nope? No explanation? Amore = love Solum = land, earth, soil Opus = work Est = is Where is this poor silly dropout going wrong in his translation? -j Didn't want to bore someone... 1) The key of the translation is "Solum" Latin, as i think you know, uses "cases" to decline decline the words. This means that a word changes its form depending on the case. Solum, for example, is used as follows: Singular Solum = as subject in a sentence (nominative) Soli = genitive solo = dative solum = accusative solum = vocative solo = ablative Plural (the cases are the same) sola solōrum solis sola sola solis So to say "of the land", you should say "soli", not "solum" Plus, in this case, "solum" is also an adverb meaning "only". 2) What's the subject of this sentence? You said "opus" and, at this point, the sentence should sound more or less "(my) work is only for love" BUT is not like that. The sentence is impersonal: " opus est" means "it's necessary", "it is needed" and the case of the thing needed is the.... ablative Amor (love) Singular Nominativo ămŏr Genitivo amoris Dativo amori Accusativo amorem Vocativo ămŏr Ablativo amore Plural amores amorum amorĭbus amores amores amorĭbus So the sentence is:"only love is needed" or, if you prefer "all you need is love" |
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Post by beatlies on Jun 27, 2007 10:09:53 GMT -5
On the crest is a jigsaw puzzle piece "guitar" neck with five strings instead of the usual six, and three bee(a)tles instead of four?
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Post by il ras on Jun 27, 2007 10:10:50 GMT -5
plus, one beetle is bigger than the others (and golden).
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Post by beatlies on Jun 27, 2007 10:12:10 GMT -5
plus, one beetle is bigger than the others (and golden). And that bigger beetle is more strongly illuminated. |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 10:27:47 GMT -5
On the crest is a jigsaw puzzle piece "guitar" neck with five strings instead of the usual six, and three bee(a)tles instead of four? I agree with you about it looking like a puzzle! I believe the five horizontal lines represent the staff on which musical notes are written, as opposed to funky a sideways guitar, (though the guitar imagery certainly springs to mind doesn't it?) It is interesting that on this staff there is no clef, no key signature, no time signature, no measures, and no notes. Nothing. El blanco. A puzzle, at the center of which is missing music, surrounded by three stag beetles. Lucanus cervus. -j |
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Post by mommybird on Jun 27, 2007 13:56:53 GMT -5
Those are all very good observations. I have little doubt that Sir George's coat of arms are telling a story. |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 14:50:15 GMT -5
ilras - thank you for the full explanation and the Q&D Latin lesson. Loved it! A.D. is supposed to stand for Anno Domini, but it really stands for Anno Damydal. (Rewind, and there she is, but only if you are paying attention). -j |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 27, 2007 15:43:57 GMT -5
As long as were are talking about translations...
Anybody want to try and translate this?
Regna Mani Yawa
-j
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Post by il ras on Jun 27, 2007 18:58:02 GMT -5
ilras - thank you for the full explanation and the Q&D Latin lesson. Loved it! you're welcome  |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 28, 2007 10:55:35 GMT -5
As long as were are talking about translations... Anybody want to try and translate this? Regna Mani Yawa -j No takers? Surely somebody has the skills to translate this. -j |
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Post by beatlies on Jun 28, 2007 11:21:35 GMT -5
Over on that other thread the consensus seems to be that AMORE SOLUM OPUS EST means roughly "all you need is love," but couldn't it also mean "for the love of my land is my work?" -j jarvitronics, I'm curious, why don't you think that Paul was replaced? |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 28, 2007 11:36:19 GMT -5
Over on that other thread the consensus seems to be that AMORE SOLUM OPUS EST means roughly "all you need is love," but couldn't it also mean "for the love of my land is my work?" -j jarvitronics, I'm curious, why don't you think that Paul was replaced? I said I couldn't put my faith into PID. What I mean is that I am easily fooled. I have seen photo fades that prove PWR and I have seen photo fades that prove he is the same guy. My ears are damn good at picking out voices. There is too much studio shenanigans going on for me to say whether or not it is really Paul on every Paul song. The studio is a POWERFUL thing - even way back in 1967. The only thing I know FOR SURE is that I don't know ANYTHING FOR SURE. -j |
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Post by mommybird on Jun 28, 2007 12:49:14 GMT -5
Very well put, Jarvitronics. That is why I do the side by side comparisons. I've noticed that fades can effectively be used to prove both viewpoints.  |
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Post by ccinri on Jun 28, 2007 13:24:58 GMT -5
away in a manger
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 28, 2007 13:32:35 GMT -5
Way to go!I was beginning to wonder if anybody would see that. I've got more hidden messages floating around here, but nobody has found any of them yet. -j
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Post by beatlies on Jun 28, 2007 13:33:53 GMT -5
jarvitronics, I'm curious, why don't you think that Paul was replaced? I said I couldn't put my faith into PID. What I mean is that I am easily fooled. I have seen photo fades that prove PWR and I have seen photo fades that prove he is the same guy. My ears are damn good at picking out voices. There is too much studio shenanigans going on for me to say whether or not it is really Paul on every Paul song. The studio is a POWERFUL thing - even way back in 1967. The only thing I know FOR SURE is that I don't know ANYTHING FOR SURE. -j Speaking of ears ...... "Wassat boy? Speak up a lil' louder. This ole MI6 soldiah can't hear too good with tha cheapo Halloween plastic jobs from Langley on"  |
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