Overlooked Sgt. Pepper Clue?

[madtitan125]

Just occurred to me that not only is "Lies Paul"
written in flowers on the Sgt Pepper cover, so is the word "Beatles".

So not only were they trying to communicate to us that James Paul McCartney lies dead, but that The Beatles were also dead at that time, as well.

Just quickly looking at my CD packaging, nowhere does it say that this is a "The Beatles" recording. It says that the artist name is "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band."

Maybe they were trying to hedge their bets at the beginning, not actually claiming to be "The Beatles", until after they were sure they could get away with the deception.

If they had been called on the replacement, they might have said that they never claimed this was an actual "The Beatles" release.

Funny, also how the original title to the "Hey Jude" album was "The Beatles Again." Maybe by that point John felt that they really were the Beatles again.

[LOVELYRITA]

It has me wondering, with the posts on the other thread about the other Beatle replacements....now if that was the case....we are told they were just "stand ins". But what if...they were all replaced and from 1967 on were all the imitators? The true Beatles would have been dead and the replacements are Sgt. Pepper's band?

Note: There has been talk about how much "older" the surviving members looked after JPM's death. What if the replacements are older than the true ones?

Just throwing one out there.

[lili]

Maybe they were trying to hedge their bets at the beginning, not actually claiming to be "The Beatles", until after they were sure they could get away with the deception.

If they had been called on the replacement, they might have said that they never claimed this was an actual "The Beatles" release.

Funny, also how the original title to the "Hey Jude" album was "The Beatles Again." Maybe by that point John felt that they really were the Beatles again.

Those are very interesting observations, maditan. Thanks very much for pointing them out.

Rita, what you wrote is also very interesting. It's also very scary to think about.

[mciiii]

Sgt Pepper is not only overlooked for the clues in it, is the most overrated record in the RockPop music history.
Is a innovated album for its time, but i think Revolver is more creative, inspired, and sounds actually today, Sgt. Pepper no, is to tight, is not rock'n'roll.

[lili]

McCartney III, I agree with you completely. Although Sgt. Pepper has some weird stuff on it, & some interesting songs, Revolver has alot more HEART.

[LOVELYRITA]

Because Revolver was JPM and not Bill imitating JPM's songs.
But Revolver was a mature album and not the teen idol music that they first came out with.
It was an interesting phase the Beatles were in, very interesting music, but not acid soaked like Sgt. Pepper was connected with.
Revolver played now, fits in, Sgt. Pepper sounds like the summer of love type of music.

[noodles]

Pepper is deliberately complicated to hide the switchover. That would be my guess. I suspect the complicated sleeve, the symbolic replacement of the band (the 'illuminati' love their symbolism), vocals effects, singing in different styles, complicated music etc were all employed to hide the change in vocals and the change in the line up.

I don't think Pepper is that 'acid soaked' or psychedlic, mostly it's busy. I think it's a great album though. I've always enjoyed it.

[jarvitronics]

Here is an overlooked Sgt Pepper clue.

The BAND begins at ten to six. Find the clock on Sgt Pepper. Find where the hour hand would point if the time were ten to six. See what begins there?

Letter B indeed.

Okay nothing to see here go back to sleep.

-j

[thisone]

I agree with Rita, I look at some of the photos of "the Beatles" and say to myself - "none of those are the real guys, with maybe the exception of Ringo", he always seems to be genuine. Which takes me off in different directions.

[plastic paul]

Yeah. I see. So if the drum was a clock, the word "BAND" starts where the hour hand would be at ten to six.

What do you think that means then?

[tafultong]

jarvitronics said:

Here is an overlooked Sgt Pepper clue.

The BAND begins at ten to six. Find the clock on Sgt Pepper. Find where the hour hand would point if the time were ten to six. See what begins there?

Letter B indeed.

Okay nothing to see here go back to sleep.

-j

Crude representation, but I think this is what Plastic is saying. But I think there is more here. Later....

[iameye]

jarvitronics said:

Here is an overlooked Sgt Pepper clue.

The BAND begins at ten to six. Find the clock on Sgt Pepper. Find where the hour hand would point if the time were ten to six. See what begins there?

Letter B indeed.

Okay nothing to see here go back to sleep.

-j

j, if it's something, most likely other than a generic definition of band ( pertaining to music)
consider the strongest possibilities:

DNA BAND: The factors affecting the electrophoretic separation of DNA bands in DNA base sequencing using fluorescence detection are analyzed. All the factors contributing to DNA band spacing and band width are evaluated.......


Physics.
A specific range of wavelengths or frequencies of electromagnetic radiation.

A range of very closely spaced electron energy levels in solids, the distribution and nature of which determine the electrical properties of a material.


Any of the distinct grooves on a long-playing phonograph record that contains an individual selection or a separate section of a whole

[jarvitronics]

I think it means we should pay attention to the time.

-j

[tafultong]

jarvitronics said:

I think it means we should pay attention to the time.

-j

And pay attention to the clock. Once again, I think you are on to something big. Boy if I had that other guys video skills, I would do one tonight.

I noticed Jarv's observation on another thread about nearly every song on Sgt. Pepper relating in some way to the passage of time, often in a mundane way that you might not notice. But from "20 years ago today" to Mal Evans' alarm clock, the album is full of references to the passage of time.

So when I saw "The band begins at 10 to 6" it got my mind working. If the drum in fact were a clock, then the hands would be pointed at "P" and "B" respectively.

Well that in and of itself provokes all kinds of thoughts.

P - B
Paul Buried.

One hand pointing at the P for Paul and the other pointing at the grave.

Then there is always P>>>>>>>>>>B
Paul>>>>>>>>>>>>Bill

But, I knew there was more to the clock on Sgt. Pepper. Get out your textbooks and open up (Well if you happen to have my printing) to pages 305 to 335 of "Many Years From Now."

All of the italicized words below are quotes from Paul in the book, not a single word comes from Miles' text. This is the REAL Sgt. Pepper clock.

I like that northern thing very much, which is what we were, where we were from. I had the idea to be in a park and in front of us to have a huge floral clock. We were sitting around talking about it, “Why do they do a clock made out of flowers?” Very conceptual, it never moves, it just grows and time is therefore nonexistent, but the clock is growing and it was like, “Wooah! The frozen floral clock.”

So the second phase of the idea was to have these guys in their new identity, in their costumes, being presented with the Freedom of the City or a cup, by the Lord Mayor in all his regalia, and I thought of it as a town up north, standing on a little rostrum with a few dignitaries and the band, above a floral clock. We always liked to take those ordinary facts of northern working-class life, like the clock, and mystify them and glamorize them and make them into something more magical, more universal....

I did a lot of drawings of us being presented to the Lord Mayor, with lots of dignitaries and lots of friends of ours around, and it was to be us in front of a big northern floral clock, and we were to look like a brass band. That developed to be the Peter Blake cover....

So I took the little drawings of the floral clock and the Lord Mayor and all our heroes, which was like the end design, and we went to see Peter....

The idea did get a bit metamorphosed when Peter was brought in; they changed it in good ways. The clock became the sign of the Beatles in front of it, the floral clock metamorphosed into a flower bed....


The clock is the grave. At 5:00 he died. By 5:50, he was replaced.

[plastic paul]

God he goes on about that "floral clock" doesn't he?

I noticed that "wednesday morning at 5 o'clock" points to PA, there could be some sort of code on the drum I guess.

[ccinri]

We may have overlooked the Pepper drum, but the Beatles haven't. It's been making the rounds in the past few years appearing in the Free Bird video, at the Larry King Cirque du Soleil interview to name a couple. If that drum could talk...

[Jai Guru Deva]

At 2:39 of Lovely Rita--near the end of the song--is heard a someone saying "He died" followed immediately by a swipe of the piano keys.