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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 9, 2007 11:46:01 GMT -5
Well Easter's over, and Paul's temporary reprieve from death is over; Paul is dead. Well, somebody's dead, in any case: "Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye." ( a dead double or understudy's eye.) "Nothing to do to save his life; call his wife in."
A double was found virtually dead, and his wife was called. John had to meet with her, and sooth her: "Everyone you see is full of life[/i][/color]. (Ironically) It’s time for tea and meet the wife."[/i]
Chances are it was a Paul double. I don't think the real Paul was dead in 1967 and '68. Still, the death of any of their doubles would have to have seriously shaken the Beatles up, regardless of who was in the band at any given time.
There are a number of directions I could take at this point in the thread, and I'm not really sure which direction would work best, but I do intend to get back to the "Glass Onion" lyrics, though we may have to take a bit of a detour or two along the way.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 9, 2007 15:23:06 GMT -5
It appears to me that whoever was orchestrating the Beatles' musical career, chose to use Biblical imagery as a blueprint for giving meaning to some of the messages in their songs. Moreover, I'd have to say that a number of "English Invasion" groups were used in this way as well. For example, I mentioned the Elton John song "Daniel" in a prior post on this thread. Daniel is a fairly common name, of course, but who was Daniel? In the Bible, Daniel was a king of ancient Israel who pleased God, for the most part, by heeding His guidance. So when Elton John sings about "Daniel" flying to Spain on a plane, he may be using that name because the person flying on the plane to Spain was like the Biblical Daniel. Someone who pleased God the same way that the Daniel of old had. Maybe even suggesting that the person was the re-incarnation of the Biblical Daniel. That way, a message about the person is encoded in the name itself. Whoever "Daniel" is, he is someone who pleases God, etc. There seem to be many Biblical tie-ins to the Beatles' music. Not only the overt references, like "Mother Mary" or "Lady Madonna", but more subtle ones as well. "Hey Jude" was supposed to have been a song written by Bill to Julian Lennon. Originally it was alledgedly, "Hey Jules", with "Jules" being a nickname for Julian. But it came out "Hey Jude" when it was released, and Jude is a Biblical name, related to Judas. Curiously, the Biblical Judas, a disciple of Christ, was his betrayer. Judas hung himself from a tree. So when John sings, "Nobody else is in my tree" in the song "Strawberry Fields", is it a reference to Judas, having hung himself from a tree? John gave a different explanation for it, but one can't help but wonder if there's that kind of a significance to it.
I mention all this, because to get the full impact of the cover of "Yellow Submarine", or to understand what Faul is demonstrating in his "Off the Ground" video, an awareness of the Biblical description of the "ressurection of the dead" would be very helpful. It is not my intent to be preaching religion here; I just want to give you the blueprint for that event, as understood in Christianity, so that once you're aware of it, you will be able to see the possible correlation to the video and album cover I just mentioned. From there, we can get back[/b] to what "Glass Onion" is about.
The Biblical language of 400 years ago is awkward at best, so, for the sake of clarity and brevity, I'm going to reference the material using the language we would use today if we were speaking of it. The commentary follows in the next post.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 10, 2007 14:06:05 GMT -5
Christians scriptures teach that there will be a resurrection of the dead, at a future date, here on the Earth. This resurrection of the dead is described by the apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15 in the Bible, and the "New International Version" of that, can be found in the link that follows; however, for simplicity I have summarized the gist of the text, using some of my own words, following the link: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015;&version=31;(This is the teaching of Christian scripture regarding what will happen some time in the future, as regards the dead:) "Christ has been raised from the dead, the first dead person to have been born as a spirit. ** Since death came by way of a man, the resurrection of the dead also had to come through a man. For as in Adam, all die a physical death, so in Christ, all will be made alive as spirit beings.
Someone might ask, "How are the dead raised? That is to say, what kind of body will they have?"
In plant life, what you sow does not come to life unless it dies first. So it will be with the resurrection of the dead. A person's physical body can die, obviously, but a person who's raised from the dead as a spirit doesn't die.* A person's dead body is sown in a decrepit state, but it will be raised in a glorious condition. It is sown in a feeble condition, but it will be raised powerful. It is sown a physical body, but it will be raised a spiritual body.
And just as we have been like the first physical man, Adam, so shall we be like the man from heaven, Jesus.
I'm telling you, people, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What is perishable cannot receive what is imperishable.
Listen; let me tell you something: We will not all die, but we all will be changed. It will happen in an instant. In the twinkling of an eye, when you hear what sounds like the blast of a trumpet, the dead will be raised, and then we who are alive at the time will be changed as well; virtually instantaneously. We, as Earthlings, can perish, of course, so we need to be clothed with immortality. Then, once we as mortals have been made immortal, the saying that was written of old can come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." Death will have been defeated. It will have been overcome."For the sake of the discussion in this thread, that is the message about the dead.** (The first Earthling, I would presume; not in the entire Universe, imo. Also, due to the complicated nature of what is meant, consider it to mean the first fully born.) * Other scriptures indicate that it doesn't die; however God is able to reconfigure a spirit, if need be.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 11, 2007 9:25:27 GMT -5
Now what you just read was originally written roughly 2000 years ago. A lot of water has passed over the dam since then, and concepts that had to be expressed very basically back then are fairly easily understood in our time, and at the same time, much of what was obvious back then is hardly clear now. For instance, these days we have all heard of near-death experiences, where-in a person temporarily dies on the operating table, and then wafts through a tunnel to a heavenly (or hellish) place for a brief meeting with deceased loved ones, or well-known religious figures. Clearly the "heavenly" world already exists in some form. What most Christians don't quite get is: Why would the dead have to be raised up on Earth? After all, aren't they in heaven? The answer has to do with vibrations, or frequency. "Heaven" is on a different frequency than Earth. What will happen at about the time that the dead are raised on Earth is that the Earth itself will have its frequency (vibrational speed), sped up to match heaven's freqency, and then merge with it. Or at least, a more "heavenly" form of Earth will be raised up from the current physical version of it. "It's the end of the world, as we know it". You've heard that song, haven't you? But it won't be the "end of the world" per se. The point is that the heavenly version of "Earth" will have been refurbished, and be familiar to the people who have lived on it. People who are resurrected from the dead will be meeting Jesus in the clouds in the traditional understanding, but it will be for the sake of evacuating the planet while it is being cleaned and sped up vibrationally in preparation for their use. The teaching is that "The meek shall inherit the Earth", meaning that the "arrogant", and people who would otherwise destroy it, won't. Is it clear, then, why there would be a need for a resurrection of the dead on Earth? The formerly dead would be able to have access to it, and the living as well. Mosquitoes probably won't. I hope I've explained sufficiently that we can now get back to a more mundane level of discussion on this thread, seeing where all this fits in.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 11, 2007 10:49:58 GMT -5
Understanding now, that the occassion of the resurrection of the dead occurs with what sounds like a trumpet blast, according to the Christian scriptures, have another look at Bill's "Off the Ground" video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAhDP2ZIobwAnd notice, as well, these lyrics from it: "Off The Ground, Off The Ground. Fly Around, Fly Around. Hear The Sound, Hear The Sound.Off The Ground, Off The Ground." I believe he's alluding to "the sound" of the trumpet blast at the time that the dead will be resurrected, and the living will be changed to spirit, to "meet with Jesus in the clouds"; or, in other words, to fly, as spirits and angels, do. You know, as if with WINGS, "off the ground". Another rock and roll reference to the "trumpet blast" is in the Buffalo Springfield song "For What It's Worth", imo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJV44YV69z0"There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware...." I think it's time we stop, children; What's that sound?Everybody look what's going down. (etc.)" "For What It's Worth" is a Stephen Stills song, describing police-state type conditions. It was thought to be about the protests in the 1960s, but I think it also is a prediction of the paranoia that many are feeling now, and will be feeling at the time that the "trumpet blast" is heard. forwhatitsworth.cf.huffingtonpost.com/Another reference to "the (trumpet) sound" might be in the Traffic song "Freedom Rider": www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9JuKSiaBOk"When lightning strikes you to the bone, you turn around, you're all alone By the time you hear that silent sound, then your soul is in the lost and found Forever; forever. Freedom rider Here it comes" ---------- As with "For What It's Worth", "Freedom Rider" mentions crowds in the street, as well as a "big man" crying in defeat: "Big man crying with defeat, see people gathering in the street You feel him, you feel him Freedom rider" -------- So at the time of a "big man"'s defeat, people will hear a "silent" sound (a sound coming from within their bodies) and feel the "Freedom Rider" in their bodies (prior to "lift off", I presume). All these songs are references to the "trumpet blast" that will signal the resurrection of the dead, imo. Here's a somewhat non-religious video that somebody posted at YouTube about the changes that are coming. After all this left-brain discussion, it might be refreshing to consider all of what's been discussed with both cerebral hemispheres, even if the video does employ the words of Aleister Crowley! ;D I'm not trying to confuse anyone with this, so don't get too uptight if it doesn't quite match what's been said so far. It's not that important to the discussion: The big heavy www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xGN0bGkhkNo doubt there are other rock songs with similar messages embedded in them. No doubt you've heard a few of them. NOW, let's get back to "Glass Onion"!
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Apr 11, 2007 17:28:54 GMT -5
I guess Off The Ground is loaded with coded lyrics. It's funny, I never really liked the album and always considered it to be "meh" (yes, meh) and sort of a let down because Flowers in the Dirt was so good, and Flaming Pie was really good. And so I couldn't understand why there was this weaker album linking the two together.
And I predict that Macca's new album "Memory Almost Full" won't be as good as C&CitBY, because it is consisting of stuff that Godrich threw out, and outtakes from Driving Rain (an album which I despise, it reminds me too much of that whole CNN/9-11/New York time (don't ask me why, but that's what pops into my head everytime I hear a song from the album).... And with songs like Freedom.... You gotta wonder, "what WAS he thinking?"
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Post by beatlies on Apr 11, 2007 19:58:45 GMT -5
"songs like Freedom.... You gotta wonder, "what WAS he thinking?" More like, what were Faul's Joint Intelligence Committee ghostwriters trying to accomplish in the "9-11" nationalist hysteria period with (what I call) that "Give War A Chance" 2002 January Superduperbowl-performed song? "I will fight for the Right [wing] to live in freedom" John Lennon, or Fohn, performed an anti-war satirical song in the 1970s with the lyrics, and a similar-sounding tune, that goes: "Let us fight for Mickey Mouse Let us fight for freee-dumb" These are the complete lyrics: "Okey, it goes to D and then A7 at the end now. So just remember the street feeds sea Queens, ok? Shall we go then? One, okey, you’re ready? One, two, three, four" Oh, god save us one and all, Oh, god save us from defeat, Oh, god save us from the war. Oh, god save us on the street. Yeah, let’s fight for people rights, Let us fight for freedom. Let us fight for mickey mouse Let us fight for freedom. Oh, god save us one and all, Oh, god save us from defeat, Oh, god save us from the war. Oh, god save us on the street. Let us fight for children’s right Let us fight for freedom. Let us fight for rupert bear, Let us fight for freedom. Oh, god save us one and all, Oh, god save us from defeat, Oh, god save us from the war. Oh, god save us from the street. Oh, god save us from defeat, Oh, god save us from the sea Oh, god save us from the queen, "Hey, that sounded alright!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lyrics delivered by www.mp3lyrics.org reading the lyrics, though, you gotta wonder, is that Lennon "Oz" song above really anti-war, pro-people's rights or a confused-message mess? It merges "let us fight for people's rights" with a sarcastic "let us fight for mickey mouse." Had Lennon turned right wing and also lost his ability to write even semi-decent lyrics? Or is this a deliberately stupid, confusing and anti-left song of the type that a COINTLEPRO-run Fohn Fennon would put out there to the masses? Well, the voice certainly doesn's sound like that of the pre-1967 John Lennon. The cartoon "Rupert bear" character had it's copyright bought up by Faul.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 11, 2007 23:53:59 GMT -5
what were Faul's Joint Intelligence Committee ghostwriters trying to accomplish in the "9-11" nationalist hysteria period with (what I call) that "Give War A Chance" 2002 January Superduperbowl-performed song?
She dreamed she maybe someday might be a "real girl" like Pinnochio and get a cyborg leg and star on a Disney TV show.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 12, 2007 12:46:22 GMT -5
About Rupert Bear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_BearAbout Rupert Bear and Paul: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRy318lhSAkTI wrote: She dreamed she maybe someday might be a "real girl" like Pinnochio and get a cyborg leg and star on a Disney TV show.Heather Mills, yes, but that may apply to another McCartney as well: "Asked that girl what she wanted to be. She said, "Baby can't you see? I wanna be famous; a star of the screen, But you can do something in between: Baby, you can drive my car. Yes, I'm gonna be a star. Baby you can drive my car, And maybe I'll love you." "Just who is this song about? I think perhaps "Honey Pie", the "female" version of JP McCartney, but that's conjecture. It may not be about anyone we would know at all.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 12, 2007 15:03:59 GMT -5
Well it's tax time here in the good ol' USA, and, as usual, I have put off dealing with my taxes 'til the last minute. Since I'll be focusing on the joyous task of getting all my paper work together and filled out in the next few days, I want to do a short wrap-up of my take on "Glass Onion" today. I think it's significant that on the album "Abbey Road", there are two similarly named songs: "Here Comes the Sun", and [Here Come the] "Sun King". If we consider that the Beatles may have been delivering an encoded message of Christian doctrine, then "Here Comes the Sun" (and "everybody's happy" as a result), we could read that song title as "Here Comes the Son". But what of the "sun king"? I have mentioned previously the notion that "the gods" have traditionally been associated with mountain tops. They have "lived" there. In the book of Ezekiel, "the glory of the Lord" went up onto the top of a mountain. In the Christian gospels, Jesus was "transfigured" in the mountains. When he left the Earth, he ascended from the Mount of Olives, and his disciples were told by two angels that his return would be in the same manner as they saw him leaving: (in modern language)"And when Jesus had spoken these things, while the disciples were watching, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked steadily toward heaven as he went up, behold, two (angels) appeared near them in white apparel; and said, "You men of Galilee, Why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come, in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven." Then the disciples returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem about twenty minutes by car."[/b] So when he comes back, it will be to the top of the Mount of Olives. A mountain top. Now the 'resurrection of the dead' that I've discussed occurs some time earlier than Jesus' obvious return to the Earth. But when he returns he will be accompanied by them, as well as a number of angels. Maybe an "angel band" or two. If Jesus will descend down to the Mount of Olives, in accordance with the scripture, might some of the other well-known saints descend to other well-known mountain tops? You know; mountains where "the gods" have traditionally "hung out"? "Well here’s another place you can go...."
"I told you about the fool on the hill....."
"Well here’s another place you can be...."So, while "the sun" will be "landing" on the Mount of Olives, some of those who are accompanying "the sun"; some of the "sun kings" as it were - might well be descending on to other well-known mountain tops. In my discussion of the resurrection of the dead, I failed to mention that at the time of that event, while many of the living will be "spiritualized" at that time, many others apparently will not. The people who will be going to meet Jesus "in the clouds" at the time of the resurrection of the dead will be those who were prepared, and expecting, to do that, but many people who are physically alive at the time will not be going at that time, mostly because they weren't anticipating it, and were not ready for it. However, when the time comes that Jesus returns overtly to Earth, accompanied by the raised dead, the angels, and the many people who "flew off" at the time the dead were raised, then, at that time, many people will be inclined to go up into the mountains to meet with them, where they will be "landing". Even so, there would still need to be an evacuation of the Earth while it is "upgraded" and cleansed of things like bio-engineering gone awry. (musical interlude:[/b] www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-2MthG190 ) So that's why Gibralter would be a place "you can go". Especially if you're a Beatles fan. ;D I think perhaps that is what is most significant about the song "Glass Onion". The happy scene depicted in a cartoon fashion on the cover of "Yellow Submarine" is a symbolic reference to the day when "the blue meanies" who are currently having "their day" on this planet, will have been over-ruled; a day when there's actually hope for joy and peace on the Earth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9CpeKHlFxsOf course, you can always go to Chicago!
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Post by fourthousandholes on Apr 13, 2007 10:04:54 GMT -5
I realize I've written much of this thread as if I were a believer, but some of me has doubts. I think that to understand the message the Beatles were (seemingly) incorporating into their music, I had to "be" in the mindset of a Christian believer. I believe that the Beatles were assigned the job of encoding a Christian message to give people, especially Christians, hope. But then again, Charlie Manson heard an entirely different message, so obviously the music speaks to everyone in their own way. George's words in "Awaiting On You All" seem to be at the heart of his belief: "You don't need no passport And you don't need no visas You don't need to designate or to emigrate Before you can see Jesus.
If you open up your heart You'll see he's right there; Always was and will be He'll relieve you of your cares.
By chanting the names of the Lord and you'll be free The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see..."I don't rightly know what will happen at Gibraltar, but evidently something will. Catholics believe something will happen at Garabandal, Spain. www.garabandal.org/miracle.shtmlOne thing for sure, it's going to be one wild ride. The situations in "Glass Onion" seem to be related to people who may have passed away. I know I didn't address (Situation 4):"Standing on the cast iron shore – yeah. (#4)Lady Madonna trying to make ends meet – yeah. Looking through a glass onion.Lady Madonna, whoever she is, is looking through the glass onion. I interpret this to mean that she has passed on, and is observing Earth life from the "window" that the dead see us through. I don't know what the "bent-back tulips" are about, unless it's a pun on the "two lips" the Rolling Stones use in their trademark. I think there may have been a Beatle in the Stones for some sessions. And certainly Brian Jones is dead. I guess. I think. I suspect. I gather. Maybe. Anyone who cares to add to this thread is certainly encouraged to do so. And I understand that some will feel that what's been written here is as "out there" as anything that Crownded Joe has ever posted at TKIN. (But I have better taste in women! ) But we'll see. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpns-QspX04Man, will we ever see! ;D
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 24, 2007 10:20:35 GMT -5
Oh my God, am I a windbag! (But some of what I wrote holds up pretty well! ;D) All right. We've pretty much got it that "one and one and one is three" 'Pauls '. So, looking through a glass onion, (examining closely as if with a magnifying glass): Glass Onion I told you about strawberry fields You know the place where nothing is real Well here's another place you can go Where everything flows Looking through the bent backed tulips To see how the other half live Looking through a glass onion Paul I(Not necessarily JPM.) I suspect that the 'bent back tulips' is a dirty reference to the vaginal entrance. Two bent back lips. Where everything flows. To see how the other half live - This would be the "Paul" who went from being male to female "to see how the other half" of the human race lives. The female half. This would be "Honey Pie" who went to Hollywood to be a star. Hollywood: a place where "nothing is real" (movie sets), just as "Strawberry Fields" isn't a real place in that song. (It's under water.) This is the Paul referenced in Simon and Garfunkel's "Punky's Dilemma" with the words:"To Maryjane-- Best wishes, Martin." George Martin wishes "Paul" good luck in his new career.------------------------------------ I told you about the walrus and me, man You know that we're as close as can be, man Well here's another clue for you all The walrus is Paul (Steve's Beatle Page)Standing on the cast iron shore, yeah Lady Madonna trying to make ends meet, yeah Looking through a glass onion Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah Looking through a glass onion Paul II This sounds like JPM. The real Paul who was close to John. Not Faul, imo. ----------------------------------- I told you about the fool on the hill I tell you man he's living there still. - (in an asylum. He's nuts.)[/b] Paul III Well here's another place you can be: Listen to me! Fixing a hole in the ocean Tryin' to make a dovetail joint Looking through a glass onionWhy did I split the third verse? Because the 'place you can be' isn't about where the Pauls are. It's about where you can be. ( Gibralter) And no, it's not that you have to go there. He's saying a 'place' you can be grounded in. It's the same idea as Christ being the "rock" on which a person's faith abides. However, in as much as John went to Gibralter to be wed, there is a possibility that if Paul is dead, he was "buried" at sea there.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 24, 2007 10:59:44 GMT -5
I suspect that the 'bent back tulips' is a dirty reference to the vaginal entrance. Two bent back lips. Where everything flows. To see how the other half live - This would be the "Paul" who went from being male to female "to see how the other half" of the human race lives. Dude. WTF? I understand wanting to hypothesize and play what-if, but why do you say this stuff like it is factual? Three Fauls? We can't even prove there is ONE Faul. We may suspect like hell but we can't PROVE it. Our suspicions could easily be WRONG. It could all be a pageant. Sex change operation? Good God man! -j
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 24, 2007 12:03:02 GMT -5
The song is about three "Pauls" by the time "Glass Onion" was written. Whether any of them is the Faul of today, I don't know. I doubt it. I don't know what you mean by: "We can't even prove there is ONE Faul". Are you meaning that we can't prove there's even one Faul, or are you saying we can't prove that there's only one Faul? You wrote: "...why do you say this stuff like it is factual?" Of course I can be wrong about things. I haven't claimed infallibility. But of all the things I've written about "Glass Onion", my most recent post is what I believe to be most on target. After working on this for 3 plus years now, I've touched base with enough of the clues to have a sense of what they represent. The English language doesn't have a verbal devise for expressing ideas in a way that means: "I'm sure beyond a doubt, even though I don't absolutetly know for certain" in it. Would you like me to preface every sentence I write with that phrase when I feel that way, so that you can feel that my obligation of posting ideas perfectly has been met? I do attempt to post with language that is reasonably accurate. You wrote: "Sex change operation? Good God man!" Can you sing Obladi Oblada? Can you see that "Paul" is wearing a dress here? (Fool on the hill picture) invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=pidpix&action=display&thread=1184536888(Actually, it may be kind of hard to see, but he is.) Yes, the idea of Paul being female is there. I know that that's too much for some people here, but that's one of the things that the Beatles, and other artists of their time, left clues about. I can't run through the references every time I try to post something! You wrote: "It could all be a pageant." That's a very important aspect to understanding the mystery, in my opinion. Go with that thought, but understand that it's not a "pretend" pageant. The actual lives of the people involved are the "roles" they play. I said that very authoritatively, didn't I? OK: I'm sure beyond a doubt, even though I don't absolutetly know for certain that that's a very important aspect to understanding the mystery, in my opinion. I'm sure beyond a doubt, even though I don't absolutetly know for certain that you should go with that thought, but I'm sure beyond a doubt, even though I don't absolutetly know for certain that you should understand that it's not a "pretend" pageant. I'm sure beyond a doubt, even though I don't absolutetly know for certain that the actual lives of the people involved are the "roles" that they play. Happy? I will attempt to post with humility, but once you know that you have the pieces in place, you know that you're in the right place. You can tell it. So yes. Bet the farm, the house, your car, and all your Earthly possessions that one of the "Pauls" had a sex-change operation, or at the very least, was living as a woman. (Of course, I could be wrong. ;D) When I post here, it's not to show everyone 'how smart I am', or to brag. I'm trying to point out where the clues seem to be going, imo. I'm sorry if people don't like it, or if they feel that I come across as a pompous ass. And if the conclusions I reach are "TKIN-ish", then so be it. I'm not here to spread disinformation. But I will say this: IN MY OPINION GEE I HOPE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT MIGHT BE TRUE THAT IT COULD BE THAT it wouldn't be a bad idea to try to understand this stuff quickly, because POSSIBLY time is running out (MAYBE).
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Post by mommybird on Jul 24, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -5
4000, by time is running out you mean that someone is going to finally spill the beans, I'm thrilled beyond words. ;D
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