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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Jan 31, 2006 11:50:39 GMT -5
I'm ummmm... glad to hear you're keeping up with the latest in Barbie's fashion and trends, Eyesbleed. I think... ;D My assistant is a top-notch Barbie Expert. (is that OT enough for ya Ms.V?) LOL! ;D That's pretty ot! Your daughter's a real sweetie, Eyesbleed. She's got a really cool dad who obviously loves her very much. No wonder she looks so happy.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 31, 2006 14:56:04 GMT -5
Does anyone remember how a kaliedscope has mirrors in it? Perhaps the mirroring was done by JOhn looking at the set up for Sgt Pepper cover with a kaliedscope in his hand.... Whoa.... hadn't thought of the kalidescope yet. How'bout a kalidescope lens to fit a digital camera.. I wish.......... somebody needs to hurry up & make one!
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 31, 2006 23:03:59 GMT -5
I don't know if digital cameras can have changeable lenses like a manual 35mm, but if someone knew how to work on a lens case and have delicately cut mirrors inserted, you may have a digitalkaliedoscope.
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Jan 31, 2006 23:06:09 GMT -5
I don't know if digital cameras can have changeable lenses like a manual 35mm, but if someone knew how to work on a lens case and have delicately cut mirrors inserted, you may have a digitalkaliedoscope. Wow! There's a digitalkaliedoscope for every woman, child and man. I gotta get one of those! What a word! ;D
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Jan 31, 2006 23:11:40 GMT -5
I don't know if digital cameras can have changeable lenses like a manual 35mm, but if someone knew how to work on a lens case and have delicately cut mirrors inserted, you may have a digitalkaliedoscope. Btw, Lovely Rita, I googled your word. It doesn't show any hits. I'd get it copyrighted ASAP! www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=digitalkaliedoscop
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Post by JoJo on Feb 10, 2006 17:42:48 GMT -5
Drats, got a mono Pepper, but no black light magic. Better hang onto that copy Mystery Boy, may be the rarest of the rare. Imagine if there were only a handful made, and what's obvious is..the collectibles market has NO idea such copies exist!
It would be tragic to part with it, but if you decided to sell it..the bidding might get into the stratosphere..
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Post by il ras on Feb 10, 2006 19:49:03 GMT -5
JoJo, don't wanna know how much did you pay that cause I just got 1 too (not delivered yet..) and I am sure I've paid toooo much.. Anyway are we sure that the printing is the same? I mean, I know that SPLHCB had just one mono pressing but you never know... mine has. side one XEX 637 on label and -1 on vinyl, side b XEX 638 on label -1 on vinyl. Yours?
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 11, 2006 1:11:54 GMT -5
Drats, got a mono Pepper, but no black light magic. Better hang onto that copy Mystery Boy, may be the rarest of the rare. Imagine if there were only a handful made, and what's obvious is..the collectibles market has NO idea such copies exist! It would be tragic to part with it, but if you decided to sell it..the bidding might get into the stratosphere.. Well, JoJo, I have you to thank for it and if I were to ever part with it in that fashion, I would certainly offer you a portion... I am working on photographing micro sections and the various faces for you and the board. It's a bit painstaking but i hope to have something for you soon.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 11, 2006 15:37:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind offer Mysteryboy, of course that's not necessary. The label I have has this ID: MAS-2653, with "(MAS-X-1-2653)" underneath. I think they all (the Capitol pressings) say that regardless, however, there are some clues as to how old the pressing is, and where it came from. The first thing: Some early mono copies had "A Little Help from My Friends" with the misprint: " WITH ALHFMF" Also, I suspect that if the label lists Sgt Pepper above the spindle hole rather than below, it may be older, which way is yours? From the info below, west or east coast pressing? Btw, to the person who suggested letting the record sit under the light in case that activated something..sorry, no luck, good idea though. And this site has this to say: THE COVERS
East coast covers differ from west coast covers in several subtle ways.
In most cases the original artwork was delivered to the East coast printers first, resulting in clearer images and truer colors on east coast printings
Although not always consistent, the small numbers printed next to the RIAA seal can help determine when and where a record was pressed.
Numbers 2,3,4,5,6,7 are always from the mid 60s
Numbers 9,11,12,16 can be from the later 60s/early 70s.
Numbers 17,18,21 are usually always early to late 70s. ( Strangely, 19 can be from the 60s )
East coast pressings are usually marked with the numbers #2 , #3 ( Scranton) and #4 ( Jacksonville), or the absence of any number at all.
West coast pressings are marked with the numbers #5, #6, and #7.( Los Angeles)
THE RECORDS
The records also give some clues as to the time and place of production. There is still much confusion regarding the actual prefix to numbers in the dead wax however there are symbols that clearly show factory origin.
A small Triangle containing the letters IAM denotes the Scranton Factory
A Small " snowflake" type logo denotes Los Angeles
A circle, sometimes broken ( ) denotes Jacksonville
During times of great demand it was also not unusual to find LPs subcontracted to other record manufacturers most notably, RCA and Decca.
RCA pressings usually have a small "R" or the full " RCA" in the dead wax. and the circular depression in the label is much larger than that of Capitol's
Decca is harder to determine as far as markings, however the circular depression in the label is somewhat smaller that Capitol's.
THE LABELS
West coast labels tend to have more " elongated " print than those of east coast origin. Jacksonville labels are characterized by extremely small print, especially on the " Revolver" LP.
Labels showing Capitol as a " Subsidiary " are not original pressings , and were released approximately around 1968.
INNER SLEEVES
Most Beatle albums were packaged with a Capitol Inner Sleeve. These sleeves also help to date Lps as well as show factory origin.
Stating in 1964 with the Meet the Beatles LP, Capitol used a darker blue inner sleeve . Factory designation 12-TC-1. Later in the year the color became a somewhat brighter blue.
By the end of 1964 the blue sleeve was replaced by a rust or orange red " teen set " sleeve. Factory designation PE-12-2AS ( Scranton) or PE 12-2AL ( Los Angeles)
By about the time of the " Help" LP, Capitol replaced the orange sleeve with a lime or olive green inner sleeve promoting "Capitol's New Improved Full Dimensional Stereo" Factory designations were (PE 12-2ES) Scranton, (PE 12-2BL) Los Angeles, and the new factory in Jacksonville, IL (PE 12-2EJ). Later east coast copies have a black bar at the bottom of the sleeve
The orange "Capitol '66" sleeve replaced the olive colored '65 sleeve early in 1966. Again there exist copies for each factory, numbered PE 12-2FS (Scranton), PE 12-3BL (Los Angeles), and PE 12-2FJ (Jacksonville).
At the end of 1967 Capitol began using plain white inner sleeves. However there are examples of a tan sleeve showing "Rubber Soul", "Yesterday and Today", and "Revolver" as well as many other Capitol releases being used in this time period. The Scranton copies of the sleeve are numbered PE 12-4BS, with LA copies having the designation PE 12-4BL, and Jacksonville copies being called PE 12-4BJ.
SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
First pressings omit the Maclen Music copyright statement in the lower right hand corner of the back cover and do not have "© 1967 NEMS" anywhere on the back cover.
Transitional pressings from late 1967 to mid-1968 have the copyright to NEMS added along the spine or down at the bottom left or bottom right corner of the back cover.
Pressings from 1968 on have both the NEMS and Maclen copyrights.
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 11, 2006 19:24:32 GMT -5
"...SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
First pressings omit the Maclen Music copyright statement in the lower right hand corner of the back cover and do not have "© 1967 NEMS" anywhere on the back cover."
So then it is a first pressing. The "Mas" numbers are the same as yours, it has the "IAM" triangle, and on the run- off wax area, after the MAS numbers, there appears on Side 1 the following: #2, and on side two it reads: #4. The MAS preceding the numbers is raised like Braille. The album title and "The Beatles" are above the spindle hole. Did you come across anything in your research that mentions the # sign and a single digit number following it? (on the dead wax area) Is yours a 1st pressing? If it isn't, maybe you can sell it and buy a first pressing. Perhaps the black light bit is not so rare and appears on all of the 1st pressings? In any event we should try to keep this "under our hats" and keep researching the clues that are certainly there.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 11, 2006 19:42:06 GMT -5
I've got the triangle with "IAM", a #3 in the side one dead wax, a #2 on side two. No mention of Maclen/Nems on mine either, although I think they have it backwards: If it does say the Maclen/Nems business, it's rare. (some other place selling Peppers suggested that, don't have the link handy) I don't know what the pound signs mean, but I'll keep looking.
I have the LHCB song listed beneath the hole, but my stereo version placed it above. This might mean nothing except the place of pressing, seems like different ones used different "fonts".
Since you have the IAM triangle, it means it needn't necessarily be a west coast pressing like the astronaut's, (I would assume his was anyway, he bought it in LA) it therefore must mean more than one plant sent them out, black light magic included. Wow!
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 11, 2006 21:09:54 GMT -5
I've got the triangle with "IAM", a #3 in the side one dead wax, a #2 on side two. No mention of Maclen/Nems on mine either, although I think they have it backwards: If it does say the Maclen/Nems business, it's rare. (some other place selling Peppers suggested that, don't have the link handy) I don't know what the pound signs mean, but I'll keep looking. I have the LHCB song listed beneath the hole, but my stereo version placed it above. This might mean nothing except the place of pressing, seems like different ones used different "fonts". Since you have the IAM triangle, it means it needn't necessarily be a west coast pressing like the astronaut's, (I would assume his was anyway, he bought it in LA) it therefore must mean more than one plant sent them out, black light magic included. Wow! Ok. This is getting really weird. Your research inspired me to check out my stereo copy. It has a pound sign followed by the number 1. It has WALHFMF typos. It appears on both sides. I placed the black light over it and it has that green stuff going on! However, it is different. So far, I can only see a few things, but they are really bright. It is way different than the other one! First impressiions: a wolf face with teeth slightly showing; a scene that looks like a landing strip but could also look like an island. A cathedral. There might actually be words on this one, very faint. I have to clean it. It doesn't have that green marble pattern. Just specific areas that you can't miss. Very bright. Bluish green. JoJo, where did you get your black light? Mine is long like a fluorescent tube, and it's "bright". I have a feeling it might be the light you are using. Promising. Any thoughts? Anyone?
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Post by JoJo on Feb 11, 2006 22:28:23 GMT -5
Ok. This is getting really weird. Your research inspired me to check out my stereo copy. It has a pound sign followed by the number 1. It has WALHFMF typos. It appears on both sides. I placed the black light over it and it has that green stuff going on! However, it is different. So far, I can only see a few things, but they are really bright. It is way different than the other one! First impressiions: a wolf face with teeth slightly showing; a scene that looks like a landing strip but could also look like an island. A cathedral. There might actually be words on this one, very faint. I have to clean it. It doesn't have that green marble pattern. Just specific areas that you can't miss. Very bright. Bluish green. JoJo, where did you get your black light? Mine is long like a fluorescent tube, and it's "bright". I have a feeling it might be the light you are using. Promising. Any thoughts? Anyone? Well, curiouser and curiouser! I'm so surprised, I forgot how to speak good English.. ;D Well, mine is a flourescent tube, but it is small and wimpy, you may be right. (I bought it at Spencer's Gifts, a sorta joke/racy novelty item shop) You mentioned Wal-Mart, correct? I'll go look for an upgrade, or I would if we weren't getting a foot of snow tomorrow. When you mentioned an island, I thought of Dornish, of course the island off of Ireland's coast that John purchased, and where he had that horse drawn wagon with Pepper drawings on the outside shipped to at 'considerable expense'. Quite facinating that a different version has a different story to tell. What was going on here?
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Post by lili on Feb 12, 2006 11:35:44 GMT -5
What a great thread. I wish I knew how to make a kaleidoscope. Maybe there's a way to simulate what you might see through a kaleidoscope ?
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Post by il ras on Feb 12, 2006 18:44:52 GMT -5
a scene that looks like a landing strip but could also look like an island. A cathedral. Are we finding the connection between Paul/Faul and Templars/Graal? (90% joking, 10% not joking). One thing I don't understand: why does it happen on US printed copies? If one of the Beatles, or someone next to them, was involved, it should happen on UK pressings. Any Idea?
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 13, 2006 7:39:14 GMT -5
a scene that looks like a landing strip but could also look like an island. A cathedral. Are we finding the connection between Paul/Faul and Templars/Graal? (90% joking, 10% not joking). LOL One thing I don't understand: why does it happen on US printed copies? If one of the Beatles, or someone next to them, was involved, it should happen on UK pressings. Any Idea? No idea. I am beginning to think that there were only a handful made, and maybe they were shipped to strategic locations, like Frisco, where the astronaut bought his. You would have a higher concentration of trippers in that one location at that point in time to pick up on it. Also, if you go with the Story, they might have wanted to avoid having Her Majesty's people from catching wind of it. That only applies if these copies have PID clues, which I am fairly certain they do. Incedently, I have checked a few dozen other LP's, including First Pressing 'Floyd ablums and none of them have this phenom. going on.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 13, 2006 17:35:36 GMT -5
Here the three you sent me today mysteryboy, I was just about to write...I have no idea what you are talking about with the first one and bam...I get it. First impressions everyone if you please: The other two are fairly easy to see straight off IMO, although for the green one it's advisable to step a few feet away from the monitor. (or save it and zoom out with pic viewing software) Thanks again MB!
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Post by noodles on Feb 13, 2006 18:02:47 GMT -5
Here I see three people. One to the side leaning over a table or something. Another stood behind the table faced forward and a woman (I think) lying on her back with her legs up either giving birth or getting laid. I hope I'm not the only one who sees that. ;D There's some writing at the side too. A face. Looks kinda like John. I see a kids face at the side smiling and looking downward. He may be a whole person but he's kina cut off. And I see the letters 'NOW' and some other writing I can't make out. I think it says 'RAMA'. I see a V and an inverted V. Some other writing and stuff too. That's pretty weird. I wasn't expecting anyhting to show up. Not because I'm a cynic but because I didn't think the technology exists to do this. unless it's a picture disk made to look like a regular LP. Puzzling.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 13, 2006 18:13:54 GMT -5
Noodles, LOL. Interesting uh..first impression. ;D I'll say I see two people standing over someone lying down, yes.
About the technology, I suppose there are substances that only show up under UV light, but how to stick something on that survives 40 (!) years later, wow. You said it, it's a puzzler.
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Post by il ras on Feb 13, 2006 19:22:26 GMT -5
Two people, with long harms, facing each other and praying with one's hands joined Three profiles one next to the other the number 27 vertically oriented
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Post by plastic paul on Feb 13, 2006 19:26:43 GMT -5
Where are the words noodles?
I get the gist (sp) of the first one clearly but the other' i'm not sure about at all....
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Post by Doc on Feb 13, 2006 22:51:25 GMT -5
the number 27 vertically oriented And a bunch of green faces......
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Post by lili on Feb 14, 2006 12:03:10 GMT -5
The funny thing about all of this is that it's subjective. I used to go to neighborhood cemetaries & take photographs. Both with my 35 MM camera & my digital one. It was kind of a scientific experiment. I was curious to see if I would pick up anything paranormal. I figured it would validate what I picked up, if the same thing showed up using two different mediums. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened. However, when dealing with things like this, not everyone is going to see the same thing. Due to the nature of what you're showing us, the images are blurry at best. Whether it was meant to BE a certain thing, or was intended as a sort of Rorschach ( am I spelling that right ? ) test, is anyone's guess. We must remember that we are dealing with people who were very heavily into LSD.
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Post by mysteryboy on Feb 14, 2006 13:11:56 GMT -5
The funny thing about all of this is that it's subjective. I used to go to neighborhood cemetaries & take photographs. Both with my 35 MM camera & my digital one. It was kind of a scientific experiment. I was curious to see if I would pick up anything paranormal. I figured it would validate what I picked up, if the same thing showed up using two different mediums. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened. However, when dealing with things like this, not everyone is going to see the same thing. Due to the nature of what you're showing us, the images are blurry at best. Whether it was meant to BE a certain thing, or was intended as a sort of Rorschach ( am I spelling that right ? ) test, is anyone's guess. We must remember that we are dealing with people who were very heavily into LSD. Hi lili, Thank you for bring up Rorcshach tests. Very valid and something for everyone to always keep in mind. These are preliminary, primitively captured samples on my part. I can assure you that there are images that are quite obvious to anyone regarding their content. Some look like actual photographs. However, capturing these is going to take time and special care. These 3 were posted more or less to show that there is something else going on beyond a pretty marble pattern that shows up under UV light. Alot of work went into producing this LP display, and probably for a good reason. What do you think of that 1st image, specifically the blushish green "night vision" effect? To me, it looks like a blurry photograph taken at night, from a distance. That image is a good example of what happens when you start looking more closely at the "green marble plate". LSD or not, whoever accomplished this is/was a genius.
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Post by beatlies on Feb 14, 2006 14:46:36 GMT -5
The funny thing about all of this is that it's subjective. I used to go to neighborhood cemetaries & take photographs. Both with my 35 MM camera & my digital one. It was kind of a scientific experiment. I was curious to see if I would pick up anything paranormal. I figured it would validate what I picked up, if the same thing showed up using two different mediums. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened. However, when dealing with things like this, not everyone is going to see the same thing. Due to the nature of what you're showing us, the images are blurry at best. Whether it was meant to BE a certain thing, or was intended as a sort of Rorschach ( am I spelling that right ? ) test, is anyone's guess. We must remember that we are dealing with people who were very heavily into LSD. Hi lili, Thank you for bring up Rorcshach tests. Very valid and something for everyone to always keep in mind. These are preliminary, primitively captured samples on my part. I can assure you that there are images that are quite obvious to anyone regarding their content. Some look like actual photographs. However, capturing these is going to take time and special care. These 3 were posted more or less to show that there is something else going on beyond a pretty marble pattern that shows up under UV light. Alot of work went into producing this LP display, and probably for a good reason. What do you think of that 1st image, specifically the blushish green "night vision" effect? To me, it looks like a blurry photograph taken at night, from a distance. That image is a good example of what happens when you start looking more closely at the "green marble plate". LSD or not, whoever accomplished this is/was a genius. Green "night vision" camera viewing occured to me also when looking at the blurry photo; I was wondering what the state of night vision technology was in 1967 when this was made. The US was escalating the Vietnam War and many such military/police technological advances were grinding on. The image itself is like some of the hidden pictures that can be seen with a mirror on the Sgt. Pepper cover in that it seems to show some kind of sinister sexual or birth ritual, or an evil medical act; two male figures leaning over, busy, on a naked woman, on her back, on a bench-like (or altar-like) table, or being positioned the other way, with her legs raised upward (?) Viewed sideways it looks like one of the Sgt. pepper ubiquitous Hitler faces: the dark spot where it looks like it could be an infant being born is the mustache (to see this better try tilting the screen toward the left). Liverpool, Adolf Hitler on the cast iron shore visiting and staying with his nephew Alois --birthplace of William Patrick Hitler -- in 1944 Liverpool-NYC Billy Hitler officially joins US military --MI6 --Cold War ---Billy Hitler opens "blood analysis labopratory" hmmm ...... Noodles, I'm sure a lot of others would see what you're (and I myself am) seeing in that first picture! Mysteryboy, whoever made these clues no doubt worked obsessively and put a lot of time into it, but I think that the techniques and practices of producing the mirror and UV clues were already being used by spy agencies, and that almost certainly more than one person, a group of meticulous people, created this visual information matrix we are seeing.
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