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Post by plastic paul on Apr 16, 2006 19:54:20 GMT -5
The doc's idea really struck me, I know we've moved towards the eclipse idea but the iris thing is v interesting, one side JPM's one side fauls? but then MysteryBoy said his version is different to JoJo's which is a bit confusing!!
Any faces on yours as of yet JoJo?
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Post by JoJo on Apr 16, 2006 20:43:11 GMT -5
So, the label is the moon, the lines radiating it from it are the corona... but you see a moonscape on the edges? I'm saying the radiating "rays" from the label strongly evoke the image of an eclipse. Obviously this whole thing is going to be quite subjective, more like feeling around until something fits. Taken literally in a point of reference manner, it seemingly makes no sense that the label is the moon, and then the patterns on the edge as well. Who knows really, I suppose to make it fit in a "where are you observing this from" way, you are perhaps looking at the eclipse from an opening of some kind, like from inside a cave perhaps. Oh yeah, one other thing to consider, a hypothetical observer on the moon might very well see this same effect when the earth moves in front of the sun. Hmmm... (wonder if anyone has ever done a simulation of that?) Taking this further, any planetary body would eclipse the sun, were you situated at the correct location. Yes, it does look like there may be some faces on there, the details are separate issue IMO. More work is required of course..
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 16, 2006 20:46:01 GMT -5
Yes, they are different in the details, no question. I think perhaps the "big picture", the thing you are supposed to see at a glance, is an eclipse. It would seem that all copies may have that intent, but they also seem to have placed little details, and more faces yet. The question is; is the pattern random, just a function of the manufacturing process, or are the details on each individual copy deliberate? I'll try out your advice MB, and I have a small tube BL, perhaps adding that will help as well. Interesting for sure. What I have been doing is printing out small sections and then using the mirror and glass onion in daylight. (btw, a razor blade is excellent for the smaller objects) There is no doubt in my mind that the drum mirror trick is supposed to be employed in simular fashion on the LP. The print method is safer for the vinyl and easier on the eyes. I wonder now how many different patterns exist and what the differing finer details and faces are. Are there, say, five , and the five put together form a major clue, or perhaps even evidence? Maybe a little too"The Ninth Gate" but it is possible.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 16, 2006 21:06:46 GMT -5
I've never seen The Ninth Gate, a quicky search and it sounds quite intriguing, and by Polanski, hey! I have to believe (as I suspect you do) that something important is hiding in these crazy patterns, why else fly under the radar so much?
Btw, just when exactly did the black light fad really start in earnest? I remember in the early 70's, when you would go into a record store, flipping through the posters and there were so many specially made to be used with a black light. Had it started by 1967? Just thinking, it would be interesting for them to have made this if hardly anyone was using black lights yet. (and would possibly explain why no one noticed it)
Btw, "easier on the eyes", you ain't kidding, if I look directly at that tube for too long, my eyes start to hurt like hell pretty quick. (that can't be good)
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 16, 2006 21:19:21 GMT -5
I've never seen The Ninth Gate, a quicky search and it sounds quite intriguing, and by Polanski, hey! I have to believe (as I suspect you do) that something important is hiding in these crazy patterns, why else fly under the radar so much? Btw, just when exactly did the black light fad really start in earnest? I remember in the early 70's, when you would go into a record store, flipping through the posters and there were so many specially made to be used with a black light. Had it started by 1967? Just thinking, it would be interesting for them to have made this if hardly anyone was using black lights yet. (and would possibly explain why no one noticed it) Btw, "easier on the eyes", you ain't kidding, if I look directly at that tube for too long, my eyes start to hurt like hell pretty quick. (that can't be good) Yes, do be careful. Do not look directly into the light! And the jury is still out on what exactly what substance was used. As I mentioned earlier, this is not normal black light fare as the image is invisible under normal lighting... Flying under the radar indeed...Now that you mention it, I don't believe black light posters came out until '69, perhaps later... Now, I am not absolutely certain but will pursue it.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 16, 2006 22:12:36 GMT -5
a hypothetical observer on the moon might very well see this same effect when the earth moves in front of the sun.From what I understand, during a lunar eclipse, the moon is totally in the earth's shadow... the moon's size relative to the sun from our POV is another of those extremely odd coincidences about out satellite. is the pattern random, just a function of the manufacturing process, or are the details on each individual copy deliberate? I would wager the former, assuming the records are not identical... -- which would make the greater effect an eclipse and/or moonscape the more important here. The mirror does seem useful for more than one place the cover photo, though. I don't believe black light posters came out until '69, perhaps later...Beatles blacklight poster from 1969 currently on eBay: link
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 16, 2006 23:00:03 GMT -5
So, we are fairly certain that this technology pre-dates the black light craze. If this pans out to be fact, it would certainly explain why no one has ever seen these until now. It also increases the likelihood that there are clues embedded in the layers. It has been my experience so far that the vinyl mirrors the cover in the mirror/kaleidascope sense. Some objects and faces are clearly halfed and require a mirror to complete the image. As you move the mirror, one thing changes into another. I don't believe that the patterns are random but rather that there are a few patterns. How many there are is an unkown for now. The eclipse pattern makes me wonder about the astronaut, while mine, with it's watery appearance, makes me think of the buried at sea theory. It should be noted that in both cases, the label goes entirely black when UV light is applied.. This is difficult to represent here because the long exposers required to get an image wind up gathering the light from the label as well. Try to picture the label as not there, or black, when viewing all of these images.
Also, there are a few images that look like they were taken from high altitudes. Does anyone know what stage the Apollo program was in at this time? (two years before moon landing)
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 16, 2006 23:09:32 GMT -5
Early on I had the notion that these are not PID clues but images of an another planet, coutesy of NASA. I am still not convinced they are not.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 16, 2006 23:24:55 GMT -5
Gemini 12, of course, captured a solar eclipse. Can there really be doubt that JPM's remains were put to rest by Buzz Aldrin? When deciphering the images, it might be important to recall that advanced researchers on another PID forum concluded that JPM's remains were aboard NASA's Gemini 12. You might look for some corollaries there with the blacklight imagery. Also, look to the cover of the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed album, which is a representation of Gemini 12. future passed -- on the front you can see the eclipse progressing lower-right (upper right in this sideways scan) of center and below that an astronaut photographing it. And the attached photo in that linked file is from the back of the LP -- it pictures the Moody Blues sitting around a table with a large book open featuring -- pictures of the moon?! MORE
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lah' mah means "Light" in Hawaiian.May we bring "Light" to what really happened to JPM.
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 17, 2006 2:04:45 GMT -5
Yes, I remember being in Hollywood back in 1967 and the hippie movement was just taking off. There were many small boutiques with the incense, posters, beads and the black lights were everywhere.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 17, 2006 5:24:21 GMT -5
In 1967, the posters were mostly "Psychedelic" posters made mostly for venues like the Fillmore's East and West. Those posters were not black light posters. AFter searching many vintage black light poster sites, it appears that they became vogue in 1970 and beyond. Some of them are dated back to 1969. I found one that claimed to be from 1967, but the ad contained no info.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 17, 2006 16:25:50 GMT -5
If the label goes totally black then IMO, although it still looks like an eclipse, it appears to look more like an iris.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 17, 2006 18:57:15 GMT -5
Ugh, this is not as easy as I thought it would be, and I have to pack it in for tonight.. I am using the timer, so it stays still, and am experimenting with various settings, trying to tweak it somehow. This one is odd, and I don't know if it's just a trick of the light, perhaps the glare simply reflected in just the right way, or perhaps I caught something? The purple bar on top is the reflection of the tube, I held it above the disk, while standing it up. Looks like the white rabbit.. Big version
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 18, 2006 1:15:31 GMT -5
mlso.hao.ucar.edu/eclipsesA.htmlThe photograph of the solar corona was taken with a camera system developed by Gordon A. Newkirk, Jr. This specialized instrument photographs the corona in red light, 6500 A -- through a radially graded filter that suppresses the bright inner corona in order to show the much fainter streamers of the outer corona in the same photograph.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 1:42:17 GMT -5
mlso.hao.ucar.edu/eclipsesA.htmlThe photograph of the solar corona was taken with a camera system developed by Gordon A. Newkirk, Jr. This specialized instrument photographs the corona in red light, 6500 A -- through a radially graded filter that suppresses the bright inner corona in order to show the much fainter streamers of the outer corona in the same photograph. Nice shot! That is a fairly good appoximation of how the Capitol label actually appears.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 1:48:58 GMT -5
If the label goes totally black then IMO, although it still looks like an eclipse, it appears to look more like an iris. That hadn't occurred to me, but now that you mention it, I feel that it certainly could be an eye. And when one looks deeply and closer into the eye with ones own eyes, sh=t happens. Perhaps the viewer is being told, as on the MMT cover, to "Look".
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 1:58:23 GMT -5
Ugh, this is not as easy as I thought it would be, and I have to pack it in for tonight.. I am using the timer, so it stays still, and am experimenting with various settings, trying to tweak it somehow. This one is odd, and I don't know if it's just a trick of the light, perhaps the glare simply reflected in just the right way, or perhaps I caught something? The purple bar on top is the reflection of the tube, I held it above the disk, while standing it up. Looks like the white rabbit.. Big versionA much better shot, JoJo. The rabbit may be flare from the light, but I can't say for certain. I am looking at the image directly above the word "Capitol". I see what could be the mid to upper part of a face. The bottom, if yellow and orange, could be flames. A face, or head, or head, being engulfed in flame. Have you gotten the sense that there layers of images? Perhaps UV light is revealing only part of the picture.
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Post by Doc on Apr 18, 2006 2:18:27 GMT -5
Wow. I see it. Strange! So, how does one follow the white rabbit? Trace his outline?
How could software isolate and assemble the sounds corresponding to the rabbit's outline, and "play" them in succesion to see if there is a secret message there? Mind boggling. I haven't a clue. How could they have figured that out in 1967?
And the White Rabbit disappears down the rabbit hole......
Wonder if that's the same hole that Paul?/William? was fixing?
Let's ask Alice. When shes ten feet tall.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 18, 2006 2:23:46 GMT -5
good appoximation of how the Capitol label actually appears.
And how similar the rest of the image?
It seems to me these photos are quite different than what you can see when you turn out the light, ne c'est pas?
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 2:37:52 GMT -5
good appoximation of how the Capitol label actually appears.And how similar the rest of the image? It seems to me these photos are quite different than what you can see when you turn out the light, ne c'est pas? Indeed they are! More potential clues! Side 2 0f my version is closer in density as JoJo's. I haven't posted it here yet but will do so. The pattern is fairly simular but it is indeed different.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 18, 2006 2:41:27 GMT -5
We also have to wonder if this whatever-it-is may "fade" in certain spots over forty years of wear.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 2:41:44 GMT -5
So (the SGT.) Pepper (cover) took you by surprise You better look (deep and close) right through that mother's EYE
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 2:48:20 GMT -5
We also have to wonder if this whatever-it-is may "fade" in certain spots over forty years of wear. That notion has been bothering me for quite some time. But I know that even if true, there is a a remarkable amount of visual information still alive and well. And it is all being documented and preserved.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 18, 2006 14:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 16:59:46 GMT -5
Stanford. Not Berkely? Wasn't there a lot of Intell recruitment happening at Stanford?
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