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Post by JoJo on Apr 18, 2006 18:28:00 GMT -5
Yet another effort, side one and two, small ones posted, big ones linked. (you know the drill) You can of course rotate & chop as you see fit in Photoshop. big versionbig versionNote the face up on top of side two.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 18, 2006 19:17:39 GMT -5
Thank you, JoJO! I will get to work on it asap. Notice the Paulish face is clearer when smaller. Whats with the Roswell hyro letters written on the outer label? Mine has the name "Winter " written in the same spot.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 18, 2006 20:24:52 GMT -5
Thank you, JoJO! I will get to work on it asap. Notice the Paulish face is clearer when smaller. Whats with the Roswell hyro letters written on the outer label? Mine has the name "Winter " written in the same spot. No kidding, wow! Well someone wrote "Eldert" if that's what you mean? I wondered about that, I just figured someone wrote their name on it, like to say "Joe's Pepper" or something. Interesting that yours has something written on the same spot, hmm... A commonality perhaps? Personalized? (this one for Mr. Winter, this one for Ms. Eldert, etc.) Wild...
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 19, 2006 1:09:12 GMT -5
I was looking at your pictures, so tonight I started looking trough some of my old LP's. Haven't gone through all of them, but two I have look exactly the same,..... Abby Road and Back to the Egg. Same marbling effect.
I don't have a working scanner right now, but I thought I would pass this on.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 19, 2006 2:26:28 GMT -5
I was looking at your pictures, so tonight I started looking trough some of my old LP's. Haven't gone through all of them, but two I have look exactly the same,..... Abby Road and Back to the Egg. Same marbling effect. I don't have a working scanner right now, but I thought I would pass this on. Hmmm... for those who missed it the first time around perhaps? Are your copies 1st Pressings? I have a 1st press Abbey Road which I just checked. It does appear to have the green bit going on, but it is very faint. I checked some other Beatle releases post 67 and there is nothing going on. "McCartney" first press and "Let it Be" 1st press have a few objects in the green mode, but again, different and not nearly as prominent. Very weird.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 19, 2006 23:38:31 GMT -5
I was looking at your pictures, so tonight I started looking trough some of my old LP's. Haven't gone through all of them, but two I have look exactly the same,..... Abby Road and Back to the Egg. Same marbling effect. I don't have a working scanner right now, but I thought I would pass this on. When you say exactly the same, do you mean as each other, or as Jojo's, or as mine? This is a long thread. JoJo's and my copy are not exactly the same.
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 0:34:12 GMT -5
Well no...not exactly the same as yours or his. These two are different but the same in that they have the marbling effect on them. Most of them I have don't have anything at all on them.
They are similar in that respect.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 20, 2006 0:45:59 GMT -5
Lah'mah, are you blacklighting these other discs?
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 0:48:58 GMT -5
I"m not up on all the LP's like I could be:
Abby Road S0-383 Apple Records
Back to the Egg AL-36057 1979- MPL Communications
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 0:50:45 GMT -5
Yes I have a black Light. I haven't taken the time to go through all of them. Just a few at this point.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 20, 2006 0:52:06 GMT -5
Well no...not exactly the same as yours or his. These two are different but the same in that they have the marbling effect on them. Most of them I have don't have anything at all on them. They are similar in that respect. Thank you for replying. This is a new area of research and and it's hard to know at this early point in time to know what it all means, but you have made a great contribution by sharing that info. Is there anyway you could have a friend photograph it ? It seems auspicous to me that Sir Paul kept the glow, as it were, going well after the Beatles' demise. I have some recently obtained Harrison LPs (ATMP,SWIE,33 1/3) and will check those. Thanks again.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 20, 2006 10:13:18 GMT -5
LM, just clarifying... You've talked about a marbling effect, but didn't confirm you were using a blacklight.
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 14:32:39 GMT -5
Yes, I do have a black light. I was looking at the two records again last night and I didn't really see anything unusual on them by way of faces or anything but I only looked at for a few minutes.
I have to buy a new scanner because anyone else would think I'm a real nut, if I tried to use theirs.
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 14:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 20, 2006 15:08:41 GMT -5
Yes, I do have a black light. I was looking at the two records again last night and I didn't really see anything unusual on them by way of faces or anything but I only looked at for a few minutes. I have to buy a new scanner because anyone else would think I'm a real nut, if I tried to use theirs. What you need is a digital camera. You can then upload directly from there.
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Post by lah' mah on Apr 20, 2006 17:02:39 GMT -5
Yes, I have a digital camera.....not sure what I was thinking about. I'll try and do this soon.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 20, 2006 17:13:53 GMT -5
Yes, I have a digital camera.....not sure what I was thinking about. I'll try and do this soon. I think I can speak for most- if not all of us here in saying that your efforts would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by JoJo on Apr 20, 2006 20:46:13 GMT -5
Agreed, thanks in advance! I guess you already figured out a scanner wouldn't work, you need to take pictures of the reflection of the black light effect. (someone needs to invent a UV scanner) I have tried it out on two Capitol Peppers, two Apple Peppers, Klaatu, and a few other albums from the era, and I have never seen the slightest hint of any effect on anything other than this particular rare Pepper. (it would seem) Back to the Egg is an interesting one, it has the members of Wings looking out from a spaceship onto the planet earth, (viewed from the bottom of the ship) and the Shroud of Turin on the back cover, according to this Usenet post.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 20, 2006 23:14:19 GMT -5
If similar phenomena are on more than one album, I would wonder about first pressings of Satanic Majesties, Ziggy Stardust, and Dark Side/Moon.
(Maybe Klaatu, too JoJo. What do you know of your pressing?)
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Post by beatlies on Apr 20, 2006 23:48:03 GMT -5
Mysteryboy, is it possible you could photograph and upload the blacklight green pictures (if there are pictures as opposed to simple marbling effects) that you see on Abbey Road, Let it Be and "McCartney"? Many thanks for all your efforts.
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 21, 2006 3:56:19 GMT -5
Mysteryboy, is it possible you could photograph and upload the blacklight green pictures (if there are pictures as opposed to simple marbling effects) that you see on Abbey Road, Let it Be and "McCartney"? Many thanks for all your efforts. First off, none of them dazzle the eye ( and spirit) like the old Pepper LP. They are much more subtle and may be very difficult to capture, buy sure, I will try to do so. There is some on Sides 1 and 2 of ALL things must Pass. Just a few "objects(?) here and there. But they are very bright! Abbey Road looks like the eclipse pattern, but very dim. I found this evening that Lennon's "Imagine" album appears to have alot going on. But again, it is much dimmer than Pepper. For some reason, the lads felt the need to keep this going for quite some time, but only on a very limited basis, and very much (as JoJo aptly put it), under the radar. Do you have any theories? Anyone? One more thing. I noticed that my Pepper seemed to be loosing it's visual impact the more I put it under the light. I feared that it was either fading or that the light was getting weaker. so I decided to give it and myself a break. Tonight, I took out Pepper and and it appears that the green affect is as strong now as the first time I viewed it, as if it had recharged itself when stored away.
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Post by TotalInformation on Apr 21, 2006 17:32:20 GMT -5
Eclipse lyrics?
Yesterday don’t matter if it’s gone While the sun is bright Or in the darkest night No one knows
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Post by mysteryboy on Apr 21, 2006 17:40:55 GMT -5
The folllowing first pressings exhibit none of the glowing phenoms of Pepper: Klaatu; Dark Side of the Moon. The WALL, Ummagumma.;Obscured by Clouds; Satanic Majesties (3D Stereo, not mono) Atom Heart Mother; Meddle, and so on...
It seems to be a strictly Beatlesque phenom and I am wondering if they Patented it
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Post by JoJo on Apr 27, 2006 18:34:10 GMT -5
I noticed something at www.klaatu.org , the webmaster is looking for a "marbled appearing" 45: REWARD! Way back when the Klaatu web site was first compiling discography information, a visitor sent us an e-mail to let us know that they had (or had seen) a copy of the 45 of Dear Christine / Older (Canada: Daffodil DFS 1079) that was pressed on marble colored vinyl.
No one else seems to have ever seen a pressing like this.
So, in the hopes of turning up a copy of this, I'm putting out an offer to buy a copy of this from anyone who can produce one of these gems. I'm willing to negotiate the price, and even to simply pay for the priviledge of having this item in my hands to personally scan it for the website (thus verifying it wasn't created in photoshop) and then return it if you'd rather not sell it.
Please contact me if you have a copy of this item!
So.. I wrote and asked about the glowing Pepper, and told him I had one.. His response: It's my understanding that vinyl records don't do this, but the ones pressed on Styrene usually do. The problem with that is that LPs usually aren't pressed on Styrene, just singles. So that kind of defeats my understanding of this since the Sgt. Pepper LP would more than likely be vinyl.
Unfortunately the only way I know of to test for Styrene ruins a record. I found out in the 80s when working in radio that many of the commercially released 45s I would buy and bring to the station (when we couldn't get promo copies from the labels) were made of Styrene by the simple fact that attempting to back cue the beginning (similar to scratching, but less violent) would create a "burn" in the disc that would never be better. That burn sounded like severe surface noise at the beginning of the track (and I do mean SEVERE) from where the back cueing took place.
I would NEVER recommend you try that method to see if you have a styrene pressing, and again it's my understanding that LPs usually weren't made from styrene, only real vinyl. But I could be wrong.
I asked him to clarify the Styrene business, need to know if that is common to all disks so manufactured. (and sent him a couple of pics, why not)
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 27, 2006 18:58:37 GMT -5
Sounds like he's telling you that you have a rare copy, and to look after it carefully, despite telling you/suggesting ways to ruin it as if he's been given a protocol on how to deal with questions such as the one you asked.
He also suggests that a lot of singles have been manufactured with styrene, either saying it's just a side effect or perhaps some beatles singles have these types of clues....?
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