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Post by JoJo on Jan 10, 2007 21:00:52 GMT -5
This topic and song has come up before, but I think no one has transcribed the lyrics before. From a rather debunkerish site: LINK(but it's useful information) And intriguingly, one piece of evidence does link the Beatles to the start of the rumor. The Terry Knight song "Saint Paul" that got the whole ball rolling was published by none other than MacLen Music, McCartney and Lennon's publishing company created in 1963 to publish their own music. Why would MacLen publish this one non-Lennon/McCartney work? All of Knight's other songs were published by Storybook Music. Perhaps it's because Lennon or McCartney suggested that Knight write it. Andru Reeve writes:
"The enigma of a virtually-unknown musician's original song being published by the Beatles may be a greater mystery than the "Paul-Is-Dead" rumor itself. Would its inclusion in the Beatles' catalog (and its recent and mysterious disappearance) have something to do with Terry Knight's visit to Apple in early 1969? Was the song instigated by none other than Paul McCartney himself?"
However, even if one of the Beatles did prompt Knight to write Saint Paul, it's hard to imagine they could have predicted this song would in turn have inspired the most widely circulated death-hoax rumor in history.The song: St. PaulThe lyrics as I heard them, pretty sure I got it right: I looked into the sky Everything was high Higher than it seemed to be to me Standing by the sea Thinking I was free Did I hear you call or was I dreaming then St. Paul..
You..knew it all along Something had gone wrong They couldn't hear your song of sadness in the air While they were crying out beware Your flowers and long hair While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall...
You saved one minute of your life to the future They said you've got dues to pay today You say it's a fool who plays it cool Sir And if tomorrow comes you know they'll all hear St. Paul say..
Let me take you down down down down down down down down...
You had a different view Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas really talk to you or did you put us on? I think there's something wrong It's taken you too long to change the world Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fall Hey St Paul...
(Hey Jude reprise instrumental for a bit)
You saved one minute of your life to the future They said you've got dues to pay today You say it's a fool who plays it cool Sir And if tomorrow comes you know they'll all hear St. Paul say..
I read the news today oh boy...
(ADITL orchestra build)
You had a different view Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas talk to you or did you put the whole world on? I think there's something wrong It's taken you too long to change the world Sir Isaac Newton told you it would fall
You didn't listen St Paul..
Hey Jude reprise..
Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul (repeats)
Background:
You say yes, I say no I say hi...
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah
Love is all you need (13 times)
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 11, 2007 20:41:26 GMT -5
Thank you for posting that, JoJo. I've tried in vain to find the lyrics or the song at times in the past.
I hear: "You saved (you) one minute of your life to the future."
The first "They said you've got dues to pay today" sounds to me like, "They said they've got dues to pay today" to me, 'though it would make more sense the way you've written it.
The voice that sings: "I read the news today oh boy..." sounds like Harry Nilsson to me, but of course it could be Terry Knight.
Reading the article brought back a memory:
"John Chancellor even discussed the issue on the NBC evening news, concluding that "All we can report with certainty is that Paul McCartney is either dead or alive."
I remember that! Everyone kind of laughed and groaned at the same time, because we thought there'd be a "verdict".
"To this day a few diehard cluesters still persist in their belief that McCartney died in 1966. It is probably the most persistent and elaborate false death rumor in history." ;D
"How the Rumor Got Started On January 7, 1967 McCartney's Mini Cooper really did crash, and as a result a few newspapers did report he had died. However, McCartney wasn't in the car when it crashed. He was safe at a party in Sussex. The man driving the car (who didn't die either) was Mohammed Hadjij, who allegedly was using the car to transport drugs up to the partyers in Sussex....." "....Paul's death and replacement by a double were reportedly overheard at London parties."
"But it was two years later, in the American midwest, that the rumor really took hold. Researcher Andru Reeve has traced this midwest origin of the rumor to a song titled "Saint Paul" that received heavy airplay in the midwest in May 1969. The song, penned by Detroit-based Terry Knight, spoke of Paul being in heaven. Knight might have been speaking metaphorically about the imminent breakup of the Beatles, but the lyrics must have suggested the idea of McCartney's death to some fans...."
It's easy to say that Knight wrote it "metaphorically about the imminent breakup of the Beatles", but most people were not aware of any such impending break up. Also the song doesn't explicitly speak of Paul being in heaven, though the idea is implicit in the lyrics. Nor does it explain why a break up of the Beatles would mean Paul was in heaven. One has to wonder where Terry Knight came up with the notion. Unfortunately he's dead now, so there's not much opportunity to ask. I'll add some comments in my next post.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 11, 2007 21:32:18 GMT -5
This topic and song has come up before, but I think no one has transcribed the lyrics before. You got that version of St Paul from the Miss Him..yada yada..PID box didn't ya. There's a much higher quality version of that & The Ballad of Paul on the Beatlemaniacs cd. (a comp. of Beatle novelty records)
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Post by JoJo on Jan 11, 2007 21:37:03 GMT -5
Yes, that was the one line I was really debating, I couldn't decide which way to go, and I see you caught it. I finally decided the meaning wasn't changed too much if the "you" was missing, and made a judgment call. Could be, the guy's voice was versatile. Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fallThe story goes: Newton was sitting under an apple tree, an apple fell on his head, and he suddenly thought of the Universal Law of Gravitation. As in all such legends, this is almost certainly not true in its details, but the story contains elements of what actually happened.From: LINKThe song seems to stating Apple had to fall.. (and he didn't listen) This one is the puzzler: While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall...Paul and the Sgt. contemplating The Writing On The Wall. Who is the Sgt. then? The writing on the wall (or sometimes 'handwriting on the wall') is an expression that suggests a portent of doom or misfortune. It originates in the Biblical book of Daniel....
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 11, 2007 22:03:00 GMT -5
Another small correction: In the song above, it's: " I say yes, you say no, I say hi" In this source: www.museumofhoaxes.com/paulisdead.html"Researcher Andru Reeve has traced this midwest origin of the rumor to a song titled "Saint Paul" that received heavy airplay in the midwest in May 1969. The song, penned by Detroit-based Terry Knight, spoke of Paul being in heaven."It may all just be a happy coincidence, but as I have stated in this thread: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1164225014&page=3Neil Young and Faul have hinted in their songs that Paul may have hid out in the midwestern United States for a while after leaving the Beatles. I looked into the sky; everything was high, higher than it seemed to be to me Standing by the sea; thinking I was free, Did I hear you call, or was I dreaming then, St. Paul?
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 12, 2007 0:53:14 GMT -5
Clues, references, lyrics, photos, all prior to Sgt.Pepper are moot.
Public awareness of PID rumours occurred late 1969. Only from working backwards did a story come to light.
In May of '69, Terry Knight released a 45 rpm titled "St Paul." It predates the rumours by several months. Oddest yet, it was owned by Maclen Music, John and Pauls private publishing company. It remains the only non-Lennon/McCartney song in the collection.
Terry Knight, hoping to to be signed by Apple Records, met with Macca just prior to this release.
Sour grapes?
Or, a spark to light the fire?
The lads always denied the rumours, or stated that the "clues" were all wrong, or "a load of OLD rubbish."
Yet, to present day, they have done little to let the mystery die. "Clues" continue to be given despite the loss of Lennon and Harrison.
Apollo
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Post by il ras on Jan 12, 2007 2:36:52 GMT -5
This one is the puzzler: While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall...Paul and the Sgt. contemplating The Writing On The Wall. Who is the Sgt. then? Brian? they were his band, in a certain way... May be this is also the reason why in the MMT there are 5 magicians...
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 12, 2007 3:10:58 GMT -5
I am not getting sense out of it personally. How do we know it isn't just about Faul? I sometimes try to step outside of my preconceived notions and view something. In this case those preconceived notions would be that this is a song about PID.
But either way I still can't really understand what he is trying to get across.
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Post by il ras on Jan 12, 2007 3:15:13 GMT -5
I think because the saints are usually dead people.. Of course my previous post should be seen in the "Paul and Brian both dead" scenario.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 12, 2007 12:03:32 GMT -5
That line/s is: You say, "Give one minute of your life for the future." They say, "We've got dues to pay today." I decoded this for y'all 13 months ago: “Saint Paul” the only song not credited to Lennon or McCartney yet published by the MacLen company. This was released by Terry Knight (later of grand funk railroad) in May 1969, after he visited apple records. Knight had known the Beatles before Paul had died. It seems to come from the POV of someone like Knight who knew what their plan was [JPM's intention to use trickery, to put a double in his place and then later announce the deception], saw that the double had taken JPM’s place… but then wondered why nothing ever happened. Was Paul betrayed and killed? ("Did Judas talk to you or did you put the whole world on?")
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 12, 2007 12:19:09 GMT -5
Previous post, enlarged:“Saint Paul” the only song not credited to Lennon or McCartney yet published by the MacLen company. This was released by Terry Knight (later of grand funk railroad) in May 1969, after he visited apple records. Knight had known the Beatles before Paul had died. It seems to come from the POV of someone like Knight who knew what their plan was [JPM's intention to use trickery, to put a double in his place and then later announce the deception], saw that the double had taken JPM’s place… but then wondered why nothing ever happened. Was Paul betrayed and killed? ("Did Judas talk to you or did you put the whole world on?") from this thread (Reply #15):invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=members1&thread=1133332875&page=1
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 12, 2007 17:14:03 GMT -5
There's much more to this, imo. I'll try to get to it tomorrow.
TI wrote: "You say, "Give one minute of your life for the future." They say, "We've got dues to pay today."
almost. I hear:
You say, "Give one minute of your life to the future." They say they've got dues to pay today.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 13, 2007 3:40:33 GMT -5
I didn't think it was about the death of Paul for 2 reasons. Number one being that it seems upbeat to be a tribute to Paul's death. Number two is that it alludes to the fall of Apple Corps... Question, why would a Paul who died in 1966 care about the failure of a company that he never knew about?
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Post by Blll on Jan 13, 2007 20:07:50 GMT -5
I didn't think it was about the death of Paul for 2 reasons. Number one being that it seems upbeat to be a tribute to Paul's death. Number two is that it alludes to the fall of Apple Corps... Question, why would A PAUL who died in 1966 care about the failure of a company that he never knew about? yeah it is a wild story, I dont think it a upbeat number,really! The Beatles was apparently desperat to get the rumor going and Detriot was the kick off
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 15, 2007 0:36:56 GMT -5
MelloYello wrote:[/color] "Number two is that it alludes to the fall of Apple Corps... Question, why would a Paul who died in 1966 care about the failure of a company that he never knew about?" Jojo wrote:[/color] "The song seems to stating Apple had to fall.. (and he didn't listen) This one is the puzzler: While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall... Paul and the Sgt. contemplating The Writing On The Wall. Who is the Sgt. then? The writing on the wall (or sometimes 'handwriting on the wall') is an expression that suggests a portent of doom or misfortune. It originates in the Biblical book of Daniel...." Ilras wrote:"I think because the saints are usually dead people.. Of course my previous post should be seen in the 'Paul and Brian both dead' scenario". Total Information wrote:"You say, "Give one minute of your life for the future." They say, "We've got dues to pay today." and"[JPM's intention to use trickery, to put a double in his place and then later announce the deception], saw that the double had taken JPM’s place… but then wondered why nothing ever happened." "Apollo/Red Lion wrote:"The lads always denied the rumours, or stated that the "clues" were all wrong, or "a load of OLD rubbish." "(Whew!) Where to start....? It's not really about Apple. At least, not Apple Corp., imo. It is about "the fall" of humanity in the Biblical sense, so perhaps there was an apple involved, but this: "Give one minute of your life for the future," is an old Christian evangelizing line. It means: Give a moment's thought to your life in the here-after, instead of saying, "Sorry. Too busy. I've got dues I have to pay down here today, let alone worrying about tomorrow." "Out of the way, its a busy day; Ive got things on my mind." An evangelist, hearing that response, would then presumably say something along the lines of: "Mister, you could die tonight. If you were to die tonight, do you know for a fact that you would go to heaven and be with Jesus? Or would you go to hell and burn with the demons, because you never gave yourself to the Lord while you were alive?" And so forth. It's a shame that the offer is often made in that "do or die", terrorizing fashion, imo. Certainly the real objective of preaching the gospel isn't to scare people into "accepting Jesus", but often that is how the attempt is made. But this song actually goes deeper than that, and is fairly sophisticated, for all its apparent simplicity. Perhaps what makes this song a little tough to comprehend, among other things, is that it was written in another time. The kind of "Fascist" Christianity that MelloYello posted a link to in another thread: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np2V9ZXh_nE&eurl=may have existed in a few places, but it certainly was not what most Christians of the time would have considered their faith, nor is it even today, but unfortunately, many people who don't know any better, in the present age, think that Christians are ignoramuses; uneducated people who believe in "myths" because they don't know much science. That's unfortunate, because the song is framed in the context of a religious understanding that, in 1969, many Christians would have innately had, and it's sad that people now don't. Well...enough of the sermon! More coming, but it's late, and I may have to finish this later. But 'til I have a chance to elaborate further, understand that in the picture I posted above, and in the words underneath it, the person has died, and his spirit is standing on the beach, out of the body. He's seeing, for the first time, the higher nature of reality; the fact that enmeshed in the physical world is a world of spirit, "higher than it (the physical world had) seemed to be to me" (before he died).
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 15, 2007 13:49:07 GMT -5
I guess the best approach to this is to go through the song, verse by verse. Given that the song is called "St. Paul", we'll be in the Christian modality, so bear with me. First verse: I looked into the sky Everything was high Higher than it seemed to be to me Standing by the sea Thinking I was free (of his physical body)[/b] Did I hear you call, or was I dreaming then, St. Paul?"Already discussed somewhat, but it's worthy of mention that ideally a person would come to an awareness of the spiritual realities prior to dying. As George wrote: "We were talking - about the space between us all And the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion (keeping their awareness limited to the physical world)[/b] Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late when they pass away
The point here being that if you wait 'til the time of your death to acknowledge the existence of a spirit reality, you've squandered your opportunity to do any spiritual work consciously while living on Earth. In the Christian theology, the ability to have an awareness of spiritual things comes with the implantation of the Holy Spirit into one's being; the Holy Spirit being, in essence, the consciousness of Jesus Christ himself. Therefore, the Holy Spirit, once accepted, exists "within you and without you", the "without you" meaning "outside of yourself" as well as "without you" if you choose to ignore it. In times past, this spirit of awareness of spiritual realities was sometimes called "the invisible sun" because it shown light on things invisible, making them "visible" to people in their inner awareness, and so it came to be known as "the logos" (the word), and also as "Apollo" (the spirit of the the invisible sun, or more simply,"the sun".) So when Apollo C. Vermouth tells you that: "There's nothing you can see that isn't shown", he's saying that Apollo (the logos) has revealed the hidden knowledge to you. Or, if you prefer, the Holy Spirit has shown it to you, because it is something that is understood spiritually (through spirit). At one time, this illumination of hidden things was considered to be revealed by "lucifer" ("the light bringer") also known as "Venus". The problem, of course, is that these days "lucifer" is considered to be the devil, "satan", and the "hidden knowledge" is called "occult" in a pejorative way. You see, what starts out as a concept, in time becomes a "good god" or a "bad god" in the popular awareness, so new names and new ways of presentation are invented to keep the populace apprised of their options. In traditional Christianity, a person who is unaware of spiritual things is considered to be spiritually "dead", but "unborn" would be a better term if the person never had a spiritual awareness in the first place. Someone who had had spiritual awareness, but then let it go, might more properly called "dead". (So then) what is the real message of, "Turn me on, dead man"? Is it not: "Please please me, and tune into the spiritual guidance being given you!"?
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 15, 2007 15:12:06 GMT -5
"You...knew it all along Something had gone wrong They couldn't hear your song of sadness in the air While they were crying out beware Your flowers and long hair While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall.""St. Paul" knew all along that something had gone wrong down here on Earth. The people couldn't hear his song of sadness (for the way that things had gone wrong.) But what's this?: "While they were crying out beware Your flowers and long hair While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall"Any kid in 1969 could tell you the meaning of that. "They", their parents, were having a cow about those hippies; those flower children who didn't want to fight in wars, or be part of "the system". The hippies wanted to have "love-ins", and "do their own thing". GASP! Surely the country (be it England, the USA, or whoever) would be going down the tubes if these "peace-loving" hippies with their "flowers and long hair" weren't made to see the need to conform to "the way things are"! This was the attitude of the parents of the Beatle generation, and who was to blame, in the minds of the parents, for all this hippie-ness, and "moral degeneration" among "the younger generation"? Why, the BEATLES, of course! Because they were the ones who wore long hair ("like a girl!") and espoused drug use in songs like "Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds", which was "obviously" a call for everyone to drop acid. so, ""Beware" of those evil Beatles " was the thought. Trust me, we all got an earful and then some from "the grown-ups" at the time. "While you and Sgt Pepper saw the writing on the wall.""St. Paul" and "Sgt Pepper" saw "the writing on the wall". They saw that the generation of the WW2 veterans would be growing up in a world that we know all too well. A world where the military-industrial-complex and world leaders would consider the youth as potential cannon fodder for their efforts to control the planet. A world where "the beast" would rule for the sake of greedy people everywhere. So they pushed the message: "All you need is love", and " tune me in, dead (people)," to give them hope for their Earthly lives well into adulthood. But who were "St. Paul" and "Sgt. Pepper"? Without going too deep, let's just say that in "mythology": "Hermes and Apollo, the two Greek gods of music, are 'brothers', the sons of Zeus."* I'm guessing John and Paul, as Earthlings, representing the two "gods of music" in the higher realm. John and Paul, then, giving humanity a ray of hope on behalf of "St. Paul" (Apollo) and "Sgt. Pepper" (Hermes). *"The Music of the Sun", p.220, from the book: Jesus Christ Sun of God
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 15, 2007 15:40:27 GMT -5
""You say, "Give one minute of your life for the future." They say they've got dues to pay today. You say, "It's a fool who plays it cool, sir." And if tomorrow comes, you know, They'll all hear St. Paul say: "Let me take you down down down down down down down down...""
St. Paul, in the Bible, was an evangelist. He would say "Give one minute of your life for the future." (see discussion above) The would-be Christian convert would say, "I'll do it later." St. Paul would say, "It's a fool who plays it cool, sir." ("Don't delay. Don't let your ego stop you.") "And if tomorrow comes, (If the people of 1969 don't nuke themselves first) "you know, they'll all hear St. Paul say: "Let me take you down down down down down" At the second coming of Christ, the fools who haven't allowed themselves spiritual awareness, but rather sought to empower themselves in the present corrupt system based in physical awareness, will hear St. Paul say, "You're going down!" A new, more spiritually based society will be established on Earth, which itself will be more "heavenly". ("The meek shall inherit the Earth")
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 15, 2007 16:21:26 GMT -5
"You had a different view. Hey there Paul what's new? Did Judas really talk to you, or did you put us on? I think there's something wrong. It's taken you too long to change the world. Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fall Hey St Paul...
(Hey Jude reprise instrumental for a bit)....The singer says, in essense, "You had the foresight of what was coming. What's taking so long? Something must be wrong. Then, trying to understand what had gone wrong, the singer says, "You knew the Earth (and humanity) would 'fall '" (loose spiritual awareness). "Sir Isaac Newton said it had to fall." (Even the law of gravity says everything "falls". ) In other words, this couldn't have been a surprise to "St. Paul" that humanity would fall from spirituality. if tomorrow comes you know they'll all hear St. Paul say..
"I read the news today. Oh boy... "
Sort of a "Boy, will it ever fall!" then: "You didn't listen St Paul." "St. Paul" doesn't give up on the hopelessly fallen humanity, but gives encouragement even 'til the end, when the "fallen" humanity's corrupt (unspiritual) society falls. Hey Jude reprise..
Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul Na..na na na na na na na na...Hey Paul (repeats)
Background:
I say "yes", ("I will say 'yes' to humanity") you say "no", I say "Hi" ("Here I come; ready or not!")[/color] "Lucy in the sky with diamonds
She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah She loves you yeah yeah yeah
Love is all you need (13 times)"The higher powers love humanity, and won't abandon those who are guided by spirit. Spirit guides by love. The message of the "song of sadness" is "Heed the guidance; don't be 'dead'." Last, but not least: "Did I hear you call, or was I dreaming then, St. Paul?"I.E. Did I hear you call, St. Paul? Or was my "death" in the first verse just a dream? ---------------- The release of this song in 1969 would have been to get the PID ball rolling, imo. It would not have been fully understood at that time, yet it may have been understood in a more general way than seems to be the case now. So that's my "two cents" on it.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 15, 2007 22:17:07 GMT -5
But I thought the Beatles were "anti-christ" according to Derek Taylor. But honestly I think this is the final nail in the "PID was just a fan created hoax" coffin.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 16, 2007 14:17:38 GMT -5
"They're COMPLETELY ANTI-CHRIST. I mean, I am anti-Christ as well, but they're so anti-Christ they shock me which isn't an easy thing."Derek Taylor, Press Officer for the Beatles And while we're at it, let's throw in:"I believed that he * was Satan himself at times."George Martin, Beatles Producer * John, if I'm not mistaken. ------------------ The owner of the following website, which chronicles the Beatles "satanic" connections, wrote: "This site is intended to be a joke, but I didn't make all this up by myself."www.geocities.com/mmiddleton87/I post it for the sake of letting readers see some of what's been written about the Beatles in that vein. Some of it is laughable; other parts not so much. There is no question that the Beatles had their start in the seediest places. That doesn't make them satanists, of course, but they certainly knew that side of things. The following article, which is way over the top at the start, imo, does make some good points in the "Creating the Beatles" section: www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.htmlAnd in light of Iamaphoney's #7 "Paul Is Dead" video at YouTube, I'm posting this webpage for its Manson-related material, though this site is generally disinformation, imo. www.stargods.org/BeatlesEvil.htmlI'm bringing all this up for a reason. There's a point I'll be making later on.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 16, 2007 15:07:13 GMT -5
"They're COMPLETELY ANTI-CHRIST. I mean, I am anti-Christ as well, but they're so anti-Christ they shock me which isn't an easy thing."Derek Taylor, Press Officer for the Beatles And while we're at it, let's throw in:"I believed that he * was Satan himself at times."George Martin, Beatles Producer * John, if I'm not mistaken. ------------------ The owner of the following website, which chronicles the Beatles "satanic" connections, wrote: "This site is intended to be a joke, but I didn't make all this up by myself."www.geocities.com/mmiddleton87/I post it for the sake of letting readers see some of what's been written about the Beatles in that vein. Some of it is laughable; other parts not so much. There is no question that the Beatles had their start in the seediest places. That doesn't make them satanists, of course, but they certainly knew that side of things. The following article, which is way over the top at the start, imo, does make some good points in the "Creating the Beatles" section: www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.htmlAnd in light of Iamaphoney's #7 "Paul Is Dead" video at YouTube, I'm posting this webpage for its Manson-related material, though this site is generally disinformation, imo. www.stargods.org/BeatlesEvil.htmlI'm bringing all this up for a reason. There's a point I'll be making later on. Now this is interesting: "Sharon Tate's unborn baby, killed by the Manson family, was named Paul Richard Polanski"
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 16, 2007 20:57:09 GMT -5
Hmm.... Not to be off topic here, but maybe there should be a thread talking about how many musicians have died in those plane/car accidents..... Suspicious IMO.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 17, 2007 10:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 21, 2007 13:32:01 GMT -5
4000 Holes wrote: " "I believed that he * was Satan himself at times."George Martin, Beatles Producer * John, if I'm not mistaken. "--------- Apparently all that "satanism" wasn't enough to keep him from getting past the pearly gates. There's a book out called "John Lennon in Heaven" by Linda Keen describing her out of body meetings with him in the higher realms, which I am halfway through at this time. I may have some comments later, when I've read the entire book. Perhaps I shouldn't call Linda Keen's meetings "out of body" as much as "remote viewing". In any case, he seems to be "alive" and well, if the book is taken at face value. from the back cover: ""It doesn't matter whether you consider this book to be fact or fantasy - those of us who love John Lennon will enjoy the story with the knowledge it was written with love." - Louise Harrison Beatle Sister"It seems the book has been re-released under a different title: "Across the Universe with John Lennon"search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&endeca=1&isbn=1571741372&itm=2"As the first sentence warns, "This is not a book about the man Jerry Garcia." So begins the review on the link above, and they're right. The book has nothing at all to do with Jerry Garcia. Obviously a mistake has been made by the Barnes and Noble people. But here are two reviews on that site: "A reviewer (rjgivnin@aol.com), exploring my potential, 08/12/2002 A Keeper !!! This book is an absolutely fascinating trip into and beyond the grasp of most people, but Linda tells her story so matter-of-factly that towards the end you just can't put it down!! John, we love and miss you, but know you'll return someday!! Love ya' Basil !!"[/b] and bridget dawkins, a beatle mania sufferer, 09/04/2001 john lennon in heaven I think this book is very interesting and gives a brillant view on life on the other side and i beleive every word in this book. I have read this book quite a few times and enjoyed it every time. love you john lennon forever. lots of love bridget. give peace a chance.[/b] One interesting thing in the book is that John shared in the spirit of Mozart. Seems I heard something similar from someone who posted here a while ago.
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