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Nov 3, 2007 0:36:31 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 0:36:31 GMT -5
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Nov 3, 2007 1:07:34 GMT -5
Post by TotalInformation on Nov 3, 2007 1:07:34 GMT -5
Christ, if it's easy enough --
please refer us to any texts (books, etc) extant in 1966 pertaining to the moon-shadow safety scenario.
It would be interesting to know if any of such books passed through the Indica (JPM et al's occult bookshop)
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Nov 3, 2007 1:23:44 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 1:23:44 GMT -5
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Nov 3, 2007 12:22:14 GMT -5
Post by B on Nov 3, 2007 12:22:14 GMT -5
Stevenchrist, "When Time Stops and people either take cover in Chicago or die." Come on now. If time has stopped, how will anyone get to Chicago? It takes time to get to Chicago. Believe it or not, I understand what you're saying, but either you don't understand it yourself, or you're just not explaining it right. The message John left was: "Well here's another place you can be, Listen to me!" and then he went on to leave a clue about Gibralter, where there's a "hole in the ocean". The "place you can be" is "on the rock". It an allusion to Christ's story about a man who built his home on a rock, and it survivied. The idea is to build your spiritual house with God's guidance, because 'He' is the rock on which to build. You're a step ahead of many on this forum in understanding this aspect of the PID/PWR mystery. I'll grant you that much. No doubt you've heard this song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPO7_np9QzQ"A winter's day- in a deep and dark December I am alone- Gazing from my window to the streets below On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow. I am a rock, I am an island." The winter's day in a deep and dark December associated with snow is Christmas, a day when you can feel very alone when there's no one to celebrate with. (Someone was feeling alone on Christmas, and I don't think it was Paul Simon, because he's Jewish.) There are many songs that suggest that Paul locked himself away. Here is one such song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbZ9xUF7sY8He was like a man alone on an island. And, the song says, he was "a rock". So there's some irony at play here. Because the song is about how this individual concealed and hid himself, and yet, if he was "a rock" (having established his "house" with the guidance of God), one might think he would not have to be so isolated. Is this ringing any bells with you, stephenchrist? Because no doubt there are a bunch of people who are in this boat; people whose hearts are in the right place, but they are locked away somewhere. "All the lonely people...." And John even declared himself to be Christ at one point. (Read the book "The Walrus Was Paul".) So all of these "rock-abiding" people may well be part of a brotherhood/sisterhood of people, of whom it could be sung: "I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together", with "he" being the rock. But whether Paul was "the rock", or John was "the rock", or Paul Simon was "the rock", or stephenchrist is "the rock", or JoJo or Iamaphoney or whoever.., is "the rock", there is no one person among mortals who is more "the rock" than others. (Cough cough.) And so it is you happen to see what others may not be seeing; a "time" when "time" stops. "Except those days be shortened, there would no flesh be saved alive." According to "the rock". And we do want people to be saved alive, yes? Putting up a YouTube video with a bewildering (for most) array of images will not do the job. Inviting millions to come to Chicago will not do the job. They may live safely under a moon shadow, but what will they eat? Where will they sleep? It's pretty dark under a full solar eclipse, so it will be a bit cold as well, I would think. Is stephenchrist ready, as a mere mortal, ready to address all the needs of the millions who will come to Chicago, heeding the call of his YouTube video, children in tow? When Cat Ste vens sang "I'm being followed by a moon shadow", he was talking about a UFO. A space ship. He has said so himself. I don't think you're totally "out there", sc, but you're not facing reality either. You, as a mere mortal, can do nothing. "You (Steve) say you got a real solution Well you know We'd all love to see the plan..." (you bet!)John tells you: "But when you want money (or anything) for people with minds that hate All I can tell you is brother you have to wait" If the shoe fits.....
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Nov 3, 2007 13:03:16 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 13:03:16 GMT -5
Stevenchrist, "When Time Stops and people either take cover in Chicago or die." Come on now. If time has stopped, how will anyone get to Chicago? It takes time to get to Chicago. There's still time to get here. John was a major bullshitter. He did this to obscure and confuse the ill-hearted people. But the ones with a pure heart could listen and filter out his cryptic messages. If you still think we live on a spinning spheroid, you have no idea what he's singing about. Basically there are two types of people. The good and the bad. The good get to stay IN the earth. The bad must stay OUT of it. The song "Imagine" is sung with the opposite intentions in mind. So there IS a heaven, a hell below, more than sky above us, (and religion too.) Watch the video and look at the sign on the doorway, "This is not here". youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0The word Imagine means in the Beatles case - Pretend, make-believe. So, all the people won't live in peace, only the good ones. The world will be divided, not one. Just like in "I'll Get You"...Imagine I'm in love with you....they are talking about a JEWISH conspiracy. Shit if you can't see that, you're a wimp. Courage is easily attained from an annonymous distance, like you and all the other posters on here. So either put your vain interpretation out here with your real name backing them, or just continue doing what you are doing, from a distance. You'll never make an ounce of difference as long as you and others remain obscure. I've proposed an idea to save the world from pending disaster. I've put my name behind it. If you can't respect me, and only scoff, then it is the Divine who does not have much respect for you. I'm using you as an example for all, so try not to bear the whole weight of my diatribe. God is in the Flesh, not just spirit. If you build your fleshly house outside of the moonshadow, you will perish. There are others here who seem to have higher intellect than me. I just follow my heart, my intuition, I'm an artist. I heard the song but never taken much of a liking to it. So, if your trying to say that it connects with me, it doesn't. That rings a bell. Ste ven And it doesn't matter where you live on June 1st either. Not alone. It takes courageous people to step up and stand with me. To publish my message across the net. That this guy is not insane, sanity is all relative anyway. Love is the answer. It takes real honesty with one's self to determine my motives. Just like back in my church going days, the philosophical question on who Jesus was was asked....is he a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. You all have to ask yourselves the same question. An if you're too hasty, you just might lose a perfect opportunity with being associated with the King. When the sun stops spinning around the inside of the earth. It's piercing heat will begin to scorch the land. Just like holding a magnifying glass over the same area for a long time. The temperature under the moon will be 'just right'. The region has good soil for corn, vegetables, etc. They can sleep in pink houses for all I care. n/a Artists have vivid imaginations. They have to play the game. exactly.
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Nov 3, 2007 13:20:27 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 13:20:27 GMT -5
"Basically there are two types of people. The good and the bad. The good get to stay IN the earth. The bad must stay OUT of it."
"When the sun stops spinning around the inside of the earth. It's piercing heat will begin to scorch the land. Just like holding a magnifying glass over the same area for a long time. The temperature under the moon will be 'just right'. The region has good soil for corn, vegetables, etc."
so you're a hollow earth believer then?
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Nov 3, 2007 13:29:57 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 13:29:57 GMT -5
Cyrus Teed's overall premise was accurate. He made some errors along the way, but it takes a few incarnations to get it right.
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Nov 3, 2007 13:31:58 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 13:31:58 GMT -5
thats interesting. I haven't read up on it in a few months now, perhaps i should give the net another trawl...
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Nov 3, 2007 13:33:17 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 13:33:17 GMT -5
Christ, if it's easy enough -- Christ, you know it ain't easy - you know how hard it can be lol
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Nov 3, 2007 13:36:51 GMT -5
Post by B on Nov 3, 2007 13:36:51 GMT -5
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Nov 3, 2007 13:38:29 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 13:38:29 GMT -5
stevenchrist wrote: "If you still think we live on a spinning spheroid, you have no idea what he's singing about."Because the world is round, it blows my mind. Anyway, yeah, I do happen to think we live on a spinning spheroid. Don't you know that you can count me out? ;D The world is round. It turns Bill ON.....or out.
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Nov 3, 2007 13:48:28 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 13:48:28 GMT -5
While doing the rounds on wikipedia I noticed that Edgar Allan Poe wrote a novel "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket" in which hollow earth is in some way involved.. I don't own the book, so I cant give much more detail than posting the wiki link ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Narrative_of_Arthur_Gordon_Pym_of_Nantucket) but I did notice that Poe's character Pym has an interest in penguins "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket is Edgar Allan Poe's only complete novel, published in 1838. The work relates the tale of the young Arthur Gordon Pym who stows away aboard a whaling ship called Grampus. Various adventures and misadventures befall Pym including shipwreck, mutiny and cannibalism. The story starts out as a fairly conventional adventure at sea, but it becomes increasingly strange and hard to classify in later chapters, involving religious symbolism and the Hollow Earth." much later... "Peters and Pym are collected by the Jane Guy, a ship from Liverpool that is going to hunt sea calves and do some business in the South Seas. Pym works out that on board the Grampus, they drifted some twenty five degrees to the south. Pym studies up on the islands around the Cape of Good Hope - he is particularly interested in the social structures of penguins and their nests and how they keep their territory against the albatrosses. Fascinated by this voyage of discovery, Pym urges the captain to push further south towards the Antarctic regions that are unexplored." from 'sources'... "Another important source for Poe is two works including the theories of John Cleves Symmes, Jr. on the hollow earth: an adventure novel Symzonia published in 1820 by Adam Seaborne, probably a pseudonym for Symmes himself,[11] and the work of a "citizen of the United States" entitled Symmes Theory of the Concentric Spheres, published in 1826.[12] These works had already served Poe when he wrote, in 1831 The manuscript found in a bottle, where already there was a question of a voyage to the vast south and a gulf instead of a south pole. Another influence on Pym is The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner by Coleridge.[13]" *goes off in-search of said book*
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Nov 3, 2007 13:56:45 GMT -5
Post by B on Nov 3, 2007 13:56:45 GMT -5
www.enotes.com/nineteenth-century-criticism/narrative-arthur-gordon-pym-edgar-allan-poePoe finished Pym in 1837 and it was published in July, 1838. Plot and Major Characters As Pym begins, Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, Massachusetts, and his good friend Augustus Barnard go out on Pym's sailboat, are run down by the whaler ship Penguin, and narrowly escape death. Eager for adventure, Pym then hides as a stowaway in a coffin-like space in the hold of Augustus's father's ship, the Grampus, bound for the South Seas. He has enough food to last him four days, but as those days pass, he discovers that there is no way out to the main deck. He waits—nearly dying of starvation and dehydration—several days for Augustus to return to help him. In the meantime, he discovers that sailors on the Grampus have mutinied and cast off Captain Barnard in a small boat. One of the drunken sailors, Dirk Peters, helps Pym and Augustus to hide and provides them with food. They manage to kill all of the mutineers except one, Parker, but then endure a terrible storm at sea. Although they survive, they are left without food for days. In desperation they draw lots and decide to kill Parker so that the other three men can live off his flesh. In the meantime, Augustus has suffered an arm injury and dies. His body is cast overboard and is devoured by sharks as soon as it hits the water. Peters and Pym, almost dead from thirst and surviving only on barnacles, are eventually rescued by the Jane Guy, a sealing and trading ship from Liverpool bound for the South Seas. They voyage toward Antarctica, but when the weather turns bad, they land on the island of Tsalal, which is inhabited by mysterious and murderous natives who live in complete “savagery.” Everything on the island is of a dark color and the natives display nervousness over anything that is white. To drive off the white men, the natives cause an earthquake by activating a landslide. They drive the sailors off, but follow them to the ship and continue to hunt them there, inadvertently blowing up the ship as they upset some stored ammunition. Only Pym, Peters, and a native they’ve taken hostage survive and escape in a canoe that they find unattended. Drifting south, they enter a warm sea and grow very drowsy as an ashen material continually falls on and around them. Suddenly, the boat rushes into a chasm and a huge white figure with outstretched arms appears in their path. There the narrative breaks off. An appended editorial note explains that Pym died unexpectedly and that the last chapters of the narrative are missing. For the book version of Pym, the narrator (Pym) writes an editorial preface in which he comments that “Mr. Poe,” a well-known editor, had written a narrative based on Pym's experiences more than a year earlier; since these initial episodes were well received by readers, he now offers the rest of the story himself. The readers should have no trouble, he adds, in seeing where Poe's style and his own diverge."
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Nov 3, 2007 13:56:57 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 3, 2007 13:56:57 GMT -5
keep in mind there is a VAST difference between believing in a hollow earth, and knowing the earth to be concave, or inverted. So, the outside is in, and the inside is out. You were inverted, and perverted too.Here's a Flash animation that shows the rotation of the sun inside the earth....If you wait long enough, you'll see that the orbit is cylindrical...it reaches the extemes on the summer and winter solstices. www.geocities.com/stevechristopher5/helio.html
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Nov 3, 2007 14:10:48 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 14:10:48 GMT -5
Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, Massachusetts, and his good friend Augustus Barnard go out on Pym's sailboat, are run down by the whaler ship Penguin, and narrowly escape death. Another penguin/Poe reference; although I'd read that they were picked up by this ship rather than run down by it. In desperation they draw lots and decide to kill Parker so that the other three men can live off his flesh. hmmm.. sounds familiar lol There the narrative breaks off. An appended editorial note explains that Pym died unexpectedly and that the last chapters of the narrative are missing. For the book version of Pym, the narrator (Pym) writes an editorial preface in which he comments that “Mr. Poe,” a well-known editor, had written a narrative based on Pym's experiences more than a year earlier; since these initial episodes were well received by readers, he now offers the rest of the story himself. The readers should have no trouble, he adds, in seeing where Poe's style and his own diverge." from ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Narrative_of_Arthur_Gordon_Pym_of_Nantucket) Would be interesting to read that final chapter if indeed there is one.. I thought I read that Poe had dropped it, but I can't find that quote again for some reason - I may have just made it up in my head. Either way, if there was a dropped final chapter it would make for an interesting read nonetheless.
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Nov 3, 2007 14:31:30 GMT -5
Post by B on Nov 3, 2007 14:31:30 GMT -5
(enlarged for ease of reading) from preceding post:
"The mystery
Cooperating with his editor, Poe presented his novel to the general public as an authentic travelogue, and Pym as a real person who had explored the region that Jeremiah Reynolds was exploring. It was difficult for the author and his American editor to convince a public that had been able to read the first chapters of this story in the Messenger, where they had appeared under the signature of Poe, that these had in reality been dictated by Pym himself. In the preface of the novel, composed seemingly at the last moment (dated June 1838), the narrator of the preface, Pym declares that the reason why earlier editions had been under the byline of Poe was because it was thought by the chief editor of the Messenger that no one would believe his story, and the editor had persuaded Poe to transcribe Pym's story, publish it under Poe's name, and initially pass it off as a work of fiction. But, Pym explains, many readers wrote to the Messenger saying that they did not believe it was only a fiction. Convinced and reassured by these reactions, Pym then decided to tell the tale of his adventures in its entirety. This deception has seemed to work sometimes: several English and American critics received the novel as if it had been an authentic travelogue.
The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket was published in England by George Palmer Putnam. Putnam bought Poe's manuscript without reading through to the last page, hoping the book would capitalize on the public interest in Sir John Franklin and his expedition to the Arctic. Putnam apparently believed the story of Pym was true, as Poe intended to present it. When the book was published in London in particular, it received harsh reviews and comments that Putnam, the "Yankee," was trying to dupe British readers. Putnam vowed never to publish another work without reading it in its entirety. When it was published in England, the editors omitted the last paragraph of the novel, judged obviously too unlikely. They added a note at the end of the preface, notifying the readers of the unfinished nature of the work due to Pym's death."
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Nov 3, 2007 14:50:01 GMT -5
Post by The Deceptionist on Nov 3, 2007 14:50:01 GMT -5
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Nov 3, 2007 16:08:21 GMT -5
Post by B on Nov 3, 2007 16:08:21 GMT -5
The Deceptionist wrote (quoting): "Another influence on Pym is The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner by Coleridge." which can be read here: www.wonko.info/albatross/default.htm#PART1A very lengthy poem, it is the tale of a crazed old sailor, trying to warn a young wedding guest about the dangers of cursing oneself, as has the ancient mariner, who is cursed with having to tell his tale of woe at sea to anyone who will listen. Most would rather not hear it. In that respect, the poem parallels the legend of "the wandering Jew" who, having taunted Christ at the crucifiction, is cursed with having to walk the Earth 'til the day of His second coming, being scorned all the while. And so....oddly appropriate to this thread. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Marineren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew
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Nov 4, 2007 9:21:36 GMT -5
Post by plastic paul on Nov 4, 2007 9:21:36 GMT -5
I just follow my heart, my intuition, I'm an artist. An artist you say? Artists have vivid imaginations. They have to play the game. OK, what game are you playing? You certainly seem to have the vivid imagination anyway.
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Nov 5, 2007 10:05:51 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 5, 2007 10:05:51 GMT -5
what follows you closer than your own shadow? But it'd not a UFO any mo, it's been identified. cmon?
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Nov 5, 2007 10:22:59 GMT -5
Post by iameye on Nov 5, 2007 10:22:59 GMT -5
ok. What?
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Nov 5, 2007 11:12:23 GMT -5
Post by skyward on Nov 5, 2007 11:12:23 GMT -5
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Nov 5, 2007 11:24:16 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 5, 2007 11:24:16 GMT -5
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Nov 5, 2007 17:45:06 GMT -5
Post by mommybird on Nov 5, 2007 17:45:06 GMT -5
Skyward, that was very interesting. Thanks for posting that !
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Nov 5, 2007 18:42:18 GMT -5
Post by stevenchrist on Nov 5, 2007 18:42:18 GMT -5
Of course the only way that the moon would actually be concave, like a cup, is if the entire universe was inverted and there was a spherical refracting entity, like uh, glass, that flipped the moon, just like in a telescope, so that the terminator line was reversed. June 10, 2006 My Visit to the Yerkes ObservatoryI just got back from Yerkes' free tour today. I had the opportunity to share with the two men there my understanding and the fact that there is glass up in the sky. The tour guide, Richard, at first seemed very definitive about where he thought tektites came from. He explained to me that they were from meteorite impacts, but when I tried to explain to him that the idea of tektites generating from beneath the ground and then propelling miles high up into the atmosphere was physically impossible, he became annoyed. I then tried to tell him rainbow formulation was impossible to generate a bow, if it were only the tiny ice crystals in the air formulating the arch. I said that raindrops didn't have choreographic intellect and that they couldn't possibly know how to align themselves perfectly to form the bow. I asked why we can make rainbows from flashlights, he couldn't answer. He then pointed to the window and asked me if that glass could make a rainbow. Well, of course this could not because a straight glass plane would need another surface to refract to. But an ARCED glass could make a rainbow, because it uses it's own curved surface to act as the projection of the bow...same with a straight edged prism, which has two surfaces, one for the filtration of the light, one for the surface of projection. Well, he got even more annoyed and started walking away. By this time I had the audience's attention. I asked, "what about ham radio? With the radio signals using glass to bounce off of?."..no answer.. "What about the greenhouse effect?" "What about UV block?" "What about stellar spectroscopy?" No attempt to give an eplanation. "What about atmospheric holes" "Why is the sky red at dusk?" What about ozone generation, did you know that an ozone generator can produce the same sweet smell that we experience after a thunderstorm?..only the one's that use a glass plate. He asked how the space shuttle got past this glass. I told him that it melted through it. I shared with the other man at the counter Comatic Aberration. He thought I said CHROMATIC aberration. But I stressed COMATIC, not CHROMATIC. I then explained that this was the glass caustic anomaly creates by a glass lens....(this is why we see a comet's tail) I told Richard that this glass was about 70 miles up. I then said that there was a layer of ice covering the glass, and then pointed out the recent huge chunks of ice that came down in New Jersey and Oakland, CA. He didn't know about it, but said it was probably blue ice from plane discharge...I stressed no, this was PURE water. He was silent. He began muttering "I don't have time for this, I've had a rough week." and started packing up to leave. I said that because of global warming that the ice at the top of the sky will begin to fall even more, and the whole earth will experience a gigantic hail storm... Well, he finally left the building...I stood in the midst of the crowd and declared, There's glass in the sky, folks......and God is real." and then walked out.Is there Glass in the Sky?www.opposingdigits.com/forums/post-14016.html
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