please stop imagining things.

[backfromthepast]

it's upsetting. why do you want Paul to be dead? the same face, the same body type (thin or chubby)
how many real clues do you need to understand that he's still alive and well?
and one more thing... don't forget that people age.

[MikeNL]

thx for pointing out that they did a VERY good job...
but still, you can see differences that SHOULDN'T be there in such short time.

you can say what you want, but i don't believe JPM is still alive

unless Sir Paul comes with some concrete evidence, but he's not doing that.. so

[GN]

There is no before/after image that matches.

Recommended:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYJzO6JSzQ&feature=related



Yes, please stop imagining things, dear guest.

[mommybird]

Thank you, GN.

[65if2007]

backfromthepast said:

it's upsetting. why do you want Paul to be dead? the same face, the same body type (thin or chubby)
how many real clues do you need to understand that he's still alive and well?
and one more thing... don't forget that people age.

Eh. I've always been on the fence, and comparisons/fades do nothing to resolve the issue for me.

For every comparison/fade that seems to match, there's always one that doesn't. If this thread progresses far enough, someone is going to run off a series of pictures that DON'T match.

Then that person can ask you "why do you insist that he's alive"?

Is this really "UPSETTING" to you? Go be upset then; I don't care.

But as far as fades and comparisons go, I throw up my hands at the whole thing and decide that this isn't the area in which a definitive answer can be had.

And I've always thought that if there were two, they might be relatives and that this might explain some of the similarities.

Even in spite of your best efforts to find matches, I'm not sure that you've entirely succeeded.

No. 2 generally seems to have a squarer chin (but sometimes he doesn't). No. 2 generally seems to have a longer neck (but sometimes he doesn't).

Between the earlier period and the later period, the hair changes direction - this is something that has been pointed out in the past and that your photos seem to bear out.

Er, nipples probably look the same on every man. I haven't had occasion to make a study of that. And I don't know what you mean by the "same body type". Same body type, how? Yes, they both have two arms and two legs.

The differences may be the result of different periods in the life of the same individual, tricks played by the shadowing or angles of the photographs, etc. Or they may not.

I don't "want" Paul to be dead, but I have always thought that it really would be a shame if that pleasant youth from Liverpool really did allow all the acclaim to go to his head and turn him into the arrogant hippie that bears the same name today.

What I "want", though, is the truth, and as Mike has already suggested, the arrogant hippie has not been forthcoming with information (fingerprints, DNA etc.) that would settle the issue once and for all.

The two things that most pique my curiosity that no forensic scientists have followed up on are:

1) Dr. Truby's voice analysis which led him to state that he heard THREE McCartneys; and
2) the declaration by Betina Huebers's handwriting expert that the signature of "Paul McCartney" on the documents that were signed for the paternity test was made by a RIGHT-HANDED person.

Actually, you're not really the one that I would like to upset. I'd rather be upsetting the arrogant hippie.

There's a line from a movie in which some investigative reporter said that he always felt that it was his duty to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable.

[JoJo]

65if2007 said:

There's a line from a movie in which some investigative reporter said that he always felt that it was his duty to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable.

That's a great quote, it belongs to Finley Peter Dunne.

Welcome backfromthepast

Goodbye backfromthepast ;D

(for the record, he left on his own)

[65if2007]

jojo said:

65if2007 said:

There's a line from a movie in which some investigative reporter said that he always felt that it was his duty to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable.

That's a great quote, it belongs to Finley Peter Dunne.

Is it? I think that I remember it as coming from E.K. Hornbeck (a fictitious nom de plume for H.L. Mencken, of course) in "Inherit the Wind" starring Spencer Tracy and Frederick March.

Hornbeck was played by Gene Kelly. It's a great line, but Kelly himself looked comfortable enough himself delivering it.

I guess that it isn't amazing that a Menckenesque character would quote Finley Peter Dunne.

Welcome backfromthepast

Goodbye backfromthepast ;D

(for the record, he left on his own)

Now he's back TO the past.

[plastic paul]

I wonder who that was then - Anyone care to make a guess?

[B]

Probably Khan. Or is it Kahn?

[JoJo]

i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/devilish7/then-1.jpg

In other words, the username is "devilish7". Devilsad?

don't forget that people age.

Yeah that was a typical line from past posters from Macca Forever/ Macca Funhouse folks. It's one of them, I'd be willing to make a good wager on that.

[ramone]

letterb1 said:

Probably Khan. Or is it Kahn?

Khahn

[Jude]

jojo said:

i79.photobucket.com/albums/j150/devilish7/then-1.jpg

In other words, the username is "devilish7". Devilsad?

don't forget that people age.

Yeah that was a typical line from past posters from Macca Forever/ Macca Funhouse folks. It's one of them, I'd be willing to make a good wager on that.

I don't want to say too much on this subject, as it is partly the reason I decided to leave the board a few months back, but...

People DO age. As much as I can't stand some of the people at Macca Funhouse, they make a lot of really good points. As for me, I'm unlike GN in that I'm willing to concede that features such as the "squarer chin" and "longer neck" which 65if2007 referred to are no more than tricks of a camera lens. With so many different photographers using different types of films and lenses from varying angles (not to mention the weight Paul had lost), I think it's quite in the realm of possibility that these are all photos of the same fellow.
Not that I'm convinced it is. I'm just saying that it's very possible.

There is no before/after image that matches.

Quite possibly the most ignorant statement I have ever heard anyone utter. Anyone with half a brain should be able to look at those photos and see that they look well enough like the same man. What annoys me is that there are people who preach about the differences between Paul and Bill's faces and then turn a blind eye to the photos that match up rather well. In my opinion, he either looks 99% like Paul or he doesn't: to say that he "sometimes does" and "sometimes doesn't" is just foolishness.

That being said, there are, as 65if2007 pointed out, certain incongruities such as Dr. Truby's voice analysis and Bettina Hueber's claims that the paternity documents were signed by a right-handed person; it's these things along with all the other loose ends in the PID universe (which includes GN's now-infamous "fake ear" picture) that spur me onward in my quest for the truth.

So all I have to say on this subject is, if Paul was replaced then whatever there are between he and his replacement aren't as glaringly obvious as some make it out to me. But that admission does not in itself end the PID saga by any means, because there are so many clues, and even possible evidence of fakeries and forgeries that I can't help but desperately want to get to the bottom of this mystery once and for all.

[CoconutFudge]

What you do not seem to understand, Mr./Ms. OP, is that we do not base our theories entirely upon photographs. There are so many other things that have united us to find out more about this mystery. If photos were the sole determinant of whether or not someone was replaced, I am pretty sure that I was replaced several times.

[Jude]

coconutfudge said:

If photos were the sole determinant of whether or not someone was replaced, I am pretty sure that I was replaced several times.

Everything that I put into my previous post, you summed up in one short, but potent sentence. Awesome, CoconutFudge, simply awesome.

[GN]

the same face, the same body ....

... just a detail ... the one on the right is made of WAX like:



www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/soe_training_04.shtml

[ramone]

I dunno GN, that girl looks pretty real to me.

[CoconutFudge]

jude said:

Everything that I put into my previous post, you summed up in one short, but potent sentence. Awesome, CoconutFudge, simply awesome.

I should be concise more often!

[grim]

65if2007 said:

Eh. I've always been on the fence, and comparisons/fades do nothing to resolve the issue for me.

For every comparison/fade that seems to match, there's always one that doesn't. If this thread progresses far enough, someone is going to run off a series of pictures that DON'T match.

Then that person can ask you "why do you insist that he's alive"?

And I've always thought that if there were two, they might be relatives and that this might explain some of the similarities.

Even in spite of your best efforts to find matches, I'm not sure that you've entirely succeeded.

No. 2 generally seems to have a squarer chin (but sometimes he doesn't). No. 2 generally seems to have a longer neck (but sometimes he doesn't).

Between the earlier period and the later period, the hair changes direction - this is something that has been pointed out in the past and that your photos seem to bear out.

The differences may be the result of different periods in the life of the same individual, tricks played by the shadowing or angles of the photographs, etc. Or they may not.

geeze... will you buy magic beans from me?
if people would be more educated, they'd know how to make fades correctly, from the right angle and in the right size.

It's not possible to make someone someone's identical twin though plastic surgery. Especially not in the 60's. You can ask this to any professional plastic surgeon.

65if2007 said:

The two things that most pique my curiosity that no forensic scientists have followed up on are:

1) Dr. Truby's voice analysis which led him to state that he heard THREE McCartneys; and
2) the declaration by Betina Huebers's handwriting expert that the signature of "Paul McCartney" on the documents that were signed for the paternity test was made by a RIGHT-HANDED person.

1)Have you ever heard Paul's (or how do you call him - "Faul's") solo stuff? Do you have any idea of how many voices can this man sing? More than just three. I'd say - he had around seven singing voices. I'm not talking about bloody Beatles. This man had a great talent, in a case you didn't know.
2)You've mixed up the story. From where did you hear this version? An old lady told you? It's bullshit. Why would Paul (or how do you call him - "Faul") suddenly write his signature with right hand? Or whatever did you mean.

Where's the proof that Paul is dead? There is no proof. Just people with wide imagination. So I'm offering you magic beans. Very cheap.

[eyesbleed]

grim said:

Where's the proof that Paul is dead? There is no proof. Just people with wide imagination. So I'm offering you magic beans. Very cheap.

PID isn't really the main focus... this forum is pretty evenly split on this theory. The thing we mostly agree on is that JPM was replaced.... & that is very easy to see without fades.

The magic beans are needed to convince folks that Bill is really JPM because Sir Paul & James Paul are 2 VERY different people.

[65if2007]

grim said:

65if2007 said:

Eh. I've always been on the fence, and comparisons/fades do nothing to resolve the issue for me.

For every comparison/fade that seems to match, there's always one that doesn't. If this thread progresses far enough, someone is going to run off a series of pictures that DON'T match.

Then that person can ask you "why do you insist that he's alive"?

And I've always thought that if there were two, they might be relatives and that this might explain some of the similarities.

Even in spite of your best efforts to find matches, I'm not sure that you've entirely succeeded.

No. 2 generally seems to have a squarer chin (but sometimes he doesn't). No. 2 generally seems to have a longer neck (but sometimes he doesn't).

Between the earlier period and the later period, the hair changes direction - this is something that has been pointed out in the past and that your photos seem to bear out.

The differences may be the result of different periods in the life of the same individual, tricks played by the shadowing or angles of the photographs, etc. Or they may not.

geeze... will you buy magic beans from me?

No.

if people would be more educated, they'd know how to make fades correctly, from the right angle and in the right size.

It's not possible to make someone someone's identical twin though plastic surgery. Especially not in the 60's. You can ask this to any professional plastic surgeon.

Right. Right. And the 1967 version of Paul McCartney -- for that matter, the late 1966 version -- is not an "identical twin" of the earlier version.

That's the whole point.

65if2007 said:

The two things that most pique my curiosity that no forensic scientists have followed up on are:

1) Dr. Truby's voice analysis which led him to state that he heard THREE McCartneys; and
2) the declaration by Betina Huebers's handwriting expert that the signature of "Paul McCartney" on the documents that were signed for the paternity test was made by a RIGHT-HANDED person.

1)Have you ever heard Paul's (or how do you call him - "Faul's") solo stuff?

For the most part, it sucks.

Do you have any idea of how many voices can this man sing? More than just three. I'd say - he had around seven singing voices. I'm not talking about bloody Beatles. This man had a great talent, in a case you didn't know.

I'm not an expert on voiceprint analysis -- but I'm more or less under the impression that you can no more change your basic
"voiceprint" by using a different singing voice than you can change your fingerprints by rubbing sandpaper on them.

Otherwise, these techniques wouldn't be worth very much forensically, and Dr. Truby would not have bothered to render a voiceprint opinion.

2)You've mixed up the story. From where did you hear this version? An old lady told you? It's bullshit. Why would Paul (or how do you call him - "Faul") suddenly write his signature with right hand? Or whatever did you mean.

Mr. Potato Head. Mr. Potato Head. The implication is that the original Paul McCartney -- who was strictly left-handed -- was replaced by someone who writes with his right hand or who is able to write with his right hand.


From where did I hear this version? You don't deserve the courtesy of a link. Google is your friend, possibly the only one that you've ever had. You have enough keywords to find this information yourself.

Where's the proof that Paul is dead? There is no proof. Just people with wide imagination. So I'm offering you magic beans. Very cheap.

The trouble is that you're offering them after they've already passed through your rectum.

[Jude]

No offense, but I think you kind of crossed the line there, 65if2007.
Grim may have been sarcastic, but he wasn't being mean-spirited.

[iburiedpaul]

That's a neat trick changing the position of your ears

[socash]

[65if2007]

jude said:

No offense, but I think you kind of crossed the line there, 65if2007.
Grim may have been sarcastic, but he wasn't being mean-spirited.

The way I see it, Grim was being mean-spirited, but he wasn't being sarcastic.

And if he started the thread as "backfromthepast", he should have had the courtesy to CONTINUE the thread as
"backfromthepast" instead of using a different name in order to try to manufacture the illusion of a crowd.

[revolver]

socash said:

Maybe he'd like some Troll House cookies?