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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 11:32:35 GMT -5
Here's one vote of interest Holy shit.... Add more, elaborate, just say that you have more to share because that post left me slightly confused but fascinated at the same time. Yours is the freshest point of view I've heard in a long time. Which is a good thing. Hello puzzled and Jude, I'm sorry I threw that out there like that. It was getting late and I was tired. Let me try and start from the beginning (my beginning) In May 2002 I began doing research on the Publius Enigma which was a "puzzle" (for lack of a better word other than enigma) which was started on June 11, 1994 (6/11/94) by an anonymous poster on Usenet (I wasn't online then) calling himself Publius and dropping clues in alt.music.pink-floyd (hereafter referred to as "amp-f") and also authenticating his claims by producing several (about 3 I think) "signals" at Pink Floyd concerts in the lights and projection screen during the US part of their 1994 The Division Bell tour. This went on during the course of a year, causing alot of confusion and excitement (and flame wars), especially because noone associated with the band (including manger Steve Orourke) would admit that there even was a puzzle. To make it even more difficult, the lighting manager Marc Brickman made some conflicting comments in an interview with a Fanzine called "Brain Damage" (Sean Heisler) He (Brickman) claimed it was devised by someone from Washington DC (Pentagon) who stole his idea for creating an online puzzle for the tour and he (Brickman) had made a fleeting comment in the interview about the Paul Is Dead hoax that went over everyone's head...including mine...until I discovered a connection between the Beatles and Pink Floyd's meeting during the Piper/Pepper sessions at Abbey Road in 1967. Admittedly, I am not a Beatles fan, but I couldn't ignore the Album cover of SGT Pepper's after discovering (in recent years) the encryption in the names of people on the cover that ties to Pink Floyd's song "Lucifer Sam" written by LSD casualty Syd Barrett (RIP) and ties to Aleister Crowley...who was part of an early theory I developed about Pink Floyd in June 2002 (which is very convoluted in and of itself). Brickman was contacted recently by a researcher (chinagreenelvis) working on the wikipedia article for 'Publius Enigma' and (Brickman) recanted everything (as if he was in fear of something?) which is another story (he made himself out to be lying about alot of things) www.enigmapublius.org/(continued in next post...to break up the monotony)
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 11:33:30 GMT -5
It is easy to get ahead of myself, and I don't want to leave anything relevant out, and it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Let me break in here and say that my whole inspiration of research is inspired by Jesus Christ my Lord and savior. I have stumbled many times through the course of this research (and stumbled upon things as well) The first instance of "stumbling upon" was before my involvement in the "enigma" during some research I was doing on the lyrics of a song on the third PF album called "Ummagumma" and a song called "The Narrow Way pt III". I was planning on doing a 3-d animation (movie) using my favorite Pink Floyd music from The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn to The Division Bell. It was going to be an Apocalyptic "end of the world" type movie about the antichrist and Christ's second coming... (you can see my first attempt, using "Astronomy Domine" from Ummagumma, here (incomplete) ad1984.home.att.net/astronomy_domine_sm_02_reduced.avi ) This is a web page I made and dated May 30 2002 explaining what I found...an instance of 2 bells in this particular song that stands out from the rest of the instruments being played mmddll.home.att.net/enigma.htmWhen I heard this for the first time (having listened to the song thousands of times and never hearing it) I immediately thought of The Division Bell and the enigma I had read about with little interest... Keep in mind the last paragraph on page 3 (about Jesus Christ and the cross) and also the phrase "the end" that I found between the bells... "The End" was hinted at by both Storm Thorgerson and Steve O rourke (RIP) during interviews in 1994, at the same time denying any involvement with the puzzle (citation will be provided if needed) I remember one clue was that the Division Bell was "the final signal to the end" (by another "messenger" named Genesis, who was probably a fake) which is open for alot of interpretation at face value. groups.google.com/group/alt.music.pink-floyd/search?group=alt.music.pink-floyd&q=the+final+signal+to+the+endAnyway... (continued) Okay, Good Idea....I will copy what I've got so far and repost it, and also a link in here to redirect...
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 11:56:44 GMT -5
Nick Mason, during a book signing tour in 2005 (I think) for his PF biography "Inside Out" answered a fans question about the enigma with a straight face and appearing serious (according to the article) saying it was a record company gimmick, thought up by someone in the Reagan administration who "adored puzzles" and that the prize was "a crop of trees in a clear cut area of forest or something to that effect" www.pinkfloydz.com/insideouttour.htmI must say right now: reading all of this information has a tendency to "wear the inside out", so please try to skip to the relevant details when clicking these links and try not to get too engulfed in this stuff...it is very burdensome.
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 12:30:41 GMT -5
CUTTING TO THE CHASE: If you are not familiar with the Division Bell CD booklet, then you can view it here (mentioned earlier) ad1984.home.att.net/CDPICS.htmThe US version is the relevant one (UK version ia a little different) in regards to how I found the connection to The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. The cover has 2 "statues" (which now exist at R&R Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ohio) that "face each other"....and silhouettes of these heads mark various "page numbers" inside the booklet with different languages printed inside the heads. There was a clue given by Publius in 1994 that used the song "Marooned" as a clue (known also as the "IMAROONEDLA" clue), in acrostic form...that told the researcher to "Orient yourselves a first time" then "Open your minds again a second time to truly move ahead" ********************************** Each page head is "oriented" in different directions. For the sake of simplicity (and more likely design) I assume that up is north, left is west, right is east, and down is south. (N.W.E.S) A simple list of songs (11 total) in acrostic form will simplify things for the purpose of this demonstration. You can check the US CD booklet to verify this. The letters highlighted in red are the pages that face "EAST"(RIGHT) C (luster One) W PM A W T CK L H (igh Hopes) There is a song on Piper At The Gates Of " Dawn" called "PowR TocH" which is what this clue points to the word "orient" actually means "east" and "dawn" is the sunrise in the "east"...a rather simple conclusion. (continued)
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 12:51:26 GMT -5
theanswer wrote: "...the prize was 'a crop of trees in a clear cut area of forest or something to that effect'"
A visit to the Bohemian Grove, no doubt. Amazing work so far, theanswer. Kudos to you.
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 13:12:22 GMT -5
Okay, now the references to "Lucifer" get a little tricky here, and If I can remember how I arrived at that conclusion, I will explain it...which leads to the Lucifer Sam connection...then I can move on to Sgt Pepper and finally the TAU cross that marks the end of the "BEA TLES and the 1960's at Altamont (Rolling Stones) First: C W 2 P 1 M A 2 WT 3 CK L 2 H 1 This pattern (112223) is repeated in the "P" (Poles Apart) lyrics (see Page 7 folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/us7_large.jpg ) ...past the 3 dots (ellipsis) I Never Thought That You'd Lose That Light In Your Eyes I N T T Y L T L I Y E 1 "E" 1 "N" 2 "Y" 2 "I" 2 "L" 3 "T" I just realized who the Golden Boy might be a reference to...John Lennon wears Yellow on Sgt Pepper anyway, I have to take a break and check some of my references (continued)
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 13:20:37 GMT -5
theanswer wrote: "...the prize was 'a crop of trees in a clear cut area of forest or something to that effect'"
A visit to the Bohemian Grove, no doubt. Amazing work so far, theanswer. Kudos to you. Thanks Letter B Speaking of Bohemian Grove, you won't believe what I found in the hills of Pennsylvania far north of Gettysburg related to the initials "GWB" and the number 666 on a Google Earth satellite image
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 13:30:48 GMT -5
Please tell me, as I live there.
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 13:48:32 GMT -5
Are you familiar with Wellsboro in Tioga county where US 6 and PA 660 run together?
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 14:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 15:06:44 GMT -5
BEGIN: STRAY FROM TOPIC(just to mark begin and end point for easy reference, since this is off topic) This is Wellsboro, PA US6 and PA660 is called " Grand Army Of The Republic Highway" 6 + 660 = 666 US route 6 (GAOTRH) was the longest stretch of road in the US, beginning from Provincetown, Massachusetts to (at one time) Long Beach, California (north of San Diego) It was shortened to Bishop, CA in 1964 making US20 the longest highway. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._6The names of streets that run East/West are: Grand Army OTRH Woodland Ave Bellwood Ave (making the acrostic GWB...George Walker Bush's initials) This is a satellite view The following link is a "Isopsephia" calculator which adds the value of letters to give a total value (play around with it and you should be able to figure it out) twighlightzone.home.att.net/christian_messageboard/ENGLISH3_count3.htmA=1 B=2 C=3 etc. If you type, or copy and paste into one of the fields (no spaces) Grandarmyoftherepublichighwaywoodlandavenuebellwoodavenuegwbwhat is the total?
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 15:18:39 GMT -5
814 ? Or is it 700 ? (I don't understand the calculator.)
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 15:21:23 GMT -5
make sure all 3 fields are cleared. If you copy and paste the string into one of the three fields you should come up with 666 and 60 letters
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 15:24:11 GMT -5
sorry I should explain better the three big boxes are the fields I'm talking about. Clear any text and then paste the text I provided above, and then click inside that field to calculate the value
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 15:27:19 GMT -5
I'll take your word for it. And you think this is significant? It seems to me that "Grandarmyoftherepublichighwaywoodlandavenuebellwoodavenuegwb" is a pretty arbitrary coupling of words. As if someone stuck combinations together until they came up with 666. I'm not trying to downplay this, but so far it seems only a coincidence to me, and not a particularly meaningful one at that. I mean, why not Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Cornell? I don't mean to get too off topic, but I thought you were going to say that Google Earth showed a skull and crossbones at the intersection or something. I hope you are not offended, but curious as this may be, I would just as soon get back to the topic of the link between Publius and Paul, if there is one. Wellsboro isn't all that important.
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 16:03:02 GMT -5
I'll take your word for it. And you think this is significant? It seems to me that "Grandarmyoftherepublichighwaywoodlandavenuebellwoodavenuegwb" is a pretty arbitrary coupling of words. As if someone stuck combinations together until they came up with 666. I'm not trying to downplay this, but so far it seems only a coincidence to me, and not a particularly meaningful one at that. I mean, why not Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Cornell? I don't mean to get too off topic, but I thought you were going to say that Google Earth showed a skull and crossbones at the intersection or something. Yes, by itself it does seem fairly arbitrary...and what I see might not be perceived by anybody else either, but the satellite visual appears to be a (rather funky looking) Grim Reaper (Death, aka "brotherhood of Death" Skull and Bones society) I have discovered that by taking an image and using alpha transparency (complicated to explain) and reversing the image and overlaying it onto the regular image, other things appear. Do you see the "skull face" on the right? The left image is the right image using the overlay technique I just mentioned (LOL I'm starting to sound like Little, aren't I?) The left image appears to be a human face with a pilot hat on his head. This is an early photo of GWB in his Air National Guard uniform The roads that run vertical, BTW, are all "elitist" Ivy League colleges, including Yale (Skull and Bones) Grand Army Of The Republic Highway, by itself, adds up to 322, the number of the Skull and Bones chapter That's not all. I followed the line of sight of the grim reaper, and it lines up with Ground Zero in Manhattan (I'll show that in another post, with explanation, if possible LOL)
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 16:13:46 GMT -5
This is a screen capture of Google Earth, from a distance, using the path tool this is a split screen closeup of the same path, showing the line of sight lining up with Ground Zero Edit: I should have also mentioned the fact that the split screen (crop of trees skull face/Manhattan) are at the same scale which gives you an idea of how large the treescape is)
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 16:25:21 GMT -5
theanswer wrote:
Do you see the "skull face" on the right?Yes I do. But as for having him looking at the WTC site, could he not just as well be looking at Waterbury, Connecticut? I mean, you can draw a line between any two points. Kinda cool, none the less. I mean, the dude has big shoulders, and has a "T" hood on, or something.
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 17:46:50 GMT -5
Yeah, you're probably right END: STRAY FROM TOPICbegin: stray cat, aka Lucifer Sam
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 17, 2009 17:58:48 GMT -5
Yeah, you're probably right END: STRAY FROM TOPICbegin: stray cat, aka Lucifer Sam This is fantastic stuff, theanswer. I'm all ears! ;D
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Post by theanswer on Jan 17, 2009 19:01:11 GMT -5
C W 2 P 1 M A 2 WT 3 CK L 2 H 1 (2 "ones" 3 "twos" 1 "three") Poles Apart I Never Thought That You'd Lose That LightIn Your Eyes I N T T Y L T L I Y E 1 "E" 1 "N" 2 "Y" 2 "I" 2 "L" 3 "T" (2 "ones" 3 "twos" 1 "three") This duplication confirms the pattern and points to the 3 dots on the "Cluster One" page (ellipsis) as being significant, folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/us2_large.jpgmore likely relating to the WTC in the center of P WTC H and the song "Take It Back" and the children's song heard within (page 14-15) folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/us14_large.jpg (a tree) folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/us15_large.jpg (lyrics) Ring a ring a rosy (heard within the song) In that basic tune, there are 3 different notes played that can be portrayed in the pattern 2-2-1-3-2-1 (or C-C-A-D-C-A) (2 ones 3 twos 1 three) (continued)
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Post by iameye on Jan 17, 2009 19:06:17 GMT -5
I'll take your word for it. And you think this is significant? It seems to me that "Grandarmyoftherepublichighwaywoodlandavenuebellwoodavenuegwb" is a pretty arbitrary coupling of words. As if someone stuck combinations together until they came up with 666. I'm not trying to downplay this, but so far it seems only a coincidence to me, and not a particularly meaningful one at that. I mean, why not Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Cornell? I don't mean to get too off topic, but I thought you were going to say that Google Earth showed a skull and crossbones at the intersection or something. I hope you are not offended, but curious as this may be, I would just as soon get back to the topic of the link between Publius and Paul, if there is one. Wellsboro isn't all that important. over the river and thru the woods, to Grandmother's house we go the horse knows the way to carry the sleigh across the drifting snow - oh! sorry, carry on soldiers!
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Post by iameye on Jan 17, 2009 19:09:02 GMT -5
could you cut to the Sgt Pepper part? then we could back track to these ideas? could be grounding, as you mentioned it....start THERE, trust me Okay, now the references to "Lucifer" get a little tricky here, and If I can remember how I arrived at that conclusion, I will explain it...which leads to the Lucifer Sam connection.. .then I can move on to Sgt Pepper and finally the TAU cross that marks the end of the "BEA TLES and
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 19:13:00 GMT -5
I'm posting this so that people can familiarize themselves with the song. (I wasn't familiar with it.) Pink Floyd - Lucifer Samwww.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sNEedLeHYLucifer Sam, Siam cat. Always sitting by your side, always by your side. That cat's something I can't explain. Jennifer Gentle you're a witch. You're the left side, he's the right side. Oh no! That cat's something I can't explain. Lu-ci-fer go to sea. Be a hip cat, be a ship's cat. Somewhere, anywhere... That cat's something I can't explain. Night prowling, sifting sand. Padding around on the ground, he'll be found when you're around. That cat's something I can't explain. ------------------------------------------------- I wonder if this is related: Paul McCartney & Wings - Old Siam, Sir [1979]www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-kt8qBIWkIn a village in Old Siam, sir, there's a lady who's lost her way. In an effort to find a man, sir, she found herself in the old UK. She waited 'round in Walthamstowe, she skated 'round in Scarborough. She waited 'round in Walthamstowe, she skated 'round in Scarborough. In a village in old east end, sir, she met a fellow who made her real. Took her rushes to show, this man, sir, He met her dad at the wedding meal. In a letter from Old Siam, sir, came an awful tale of woe. She decided the only answer was to get off a pile of dough. She waited 'round in Walthamstowe, she skated 'round in Scarborough. She waited 'round in Walthamstowe, she skated 'round in Scarborough. When a relative told her man, sir, He directed her not to stay. In a village in Old Siam, sir, there's a lady who's lost her way. In a village in Old Siam, sir, there's a lady who's lost her way. (etc.)
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Post by puzzled on Jan 17, 2009 19:29:56 GMT -5
answer wrote:
"I remember one clue was that the Division Bell was "the final signal to the end"
We had been discussing the message connected to the alien crop circle in another thread, and it also ends with a 'closing bell.' Is there a connection here to that bell also?
Thanks,
Fuzzled.
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