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Post by Jude on Apr 14, 2008 22:11:02 GMT -5
Well, no I don't think he showed James Paul any respect at all while he was releasing all that worthless fluff... or so-called "music" during the 80's. Releasing crap like Silly Love Songs certainly isn't doin' James Paul any favors. Actually, there are a lot of people who like that so-called "worthless fluff", myself included. I think anyone can see that he's always done his best. I see you cited Silly Love Songs as one of his less admiral works. How clever! You want to know another song that a lot of people hate? Gone Troppo. That entire album and it's title track are considered some of the worst examples of pop garbage ever released by a Beatle. Was George Harrison replaced? Must we blame it on Feorge Farrison, who clearly didn't respect himself or else he wouldn't have released an entire album's worth of muzak? You seem convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Paul is dead and that his replacement has disrespected his so-called "legacy" by releasing horrible songs. And yet you seem to have failed to account for all the horrible songs released by John, George and Ringo. Were they replaced or is it possible that they're just....I don't know....FALLIBLE? Did they disrespect their own legacies? How is that even possible? Everyone is their own person doing their own thing, which under most circumstances is the very best they can. Even if Bill isn't Paul, he couldn't show a lack of respect for JPM by releasing crappy songs....that doesn't make any sense, and you know it. Musicians generally do the best they can, and no one can predict if their song is going to be a smash hit or an abysmal failure; Sir Paul's songs have been both, and so would Paul's had he lived. Stage names are not eligible for use on most, if any, legal documents, and yet Paul McCartney has gotten away with signing court documents and adoption papers with his alleged stage name. Hmm....I wonder how that could be....unless Paul McCartney were his legal name? John Wayne was a stage name for Marrion Morison. But John Wayne's death certificate says: So I disagree, eyesbleed. No matter how sure you think you are that he isn't Paul McCartney, ya can't change the fact he's legally Paul McCartney. And if you want to prove me wrong, steal his driver's license or any legal document that bears his signature. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of glaringly obvious facts. And if you don't think Faul sounds stupid, why don't you give your next kid that name? I'm sure they wouldn't get the piss teased out of them.
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Post by Jude on Apr 14, 2008 22:28:01 GMT -5
<snip> what has he done to deserve the disrespect that comes with calling him a fake Paul? <snip> How about faking being Paul? I know it's only a literal qualification (allegedly, of course), but if the boots fit... -j . I know you don't believe in some ridiculous scenario in which Bill Shepherd "took over" Paul's life in some "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" type of way....do you? You're the guy who came up with the whole "floral clock" theory about the Sgt. Pepper album.....you're much smarter than that. He's gone on to do greater things in Paul's name than Paul himself ever did....does that make him bad? You do realise that the other band members went along with this, right? Condemn all of them before picking on just one of them. I may be mistaken, but I believe you're above villainising that certain someone for taking the place of Paul McCartney, especially when there seems to be no hard evidence to prove he isn't Paul McCartney.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 14, 2008 23:16:58 GMT -5
He's gone on to do greater things in Paul's name than Paul himself ever did Such as? Yes.
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Post by ramone on Apr 14, 2008 23:32:30 GMT -5
There's of course a solution here with the names. Faul/sir paul will be called something completely different.
I thought of Steve. Just plain Steve. It's a good name
Then I thought Dinsdale. (well, it's from M. Python) It has a nice ring - Dinsdale
How about Tod(d) (The Other Dude) Tom (The Other Man) would be ok, but it's not as informal. And considering we're such a relaxed group here, we'd probably lean towards informal. - TOD
'I like the way Tod plays piano on hey jude.'
'Have you ever noticed how tall Tod is next to Ringo?'
'Tod has 5.5 toes on his right foot.'
So, from now on- it's Tod.
ok?
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Post by ramone on Apr 15, 2008 0:04:41 GMT -5
ps - Sir Tod is optional
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Post by Doc on Apr 15, 2008 0:47:13 GMT -5
Well that leads to "Teddles", "Tedley", and from the truly perverse, "Fod." I guess we could agree to avoid the letter "F" under all circumstances. He kind of could be a Michael, like a Mike Pridgett or maybe a Randy, or Randall, like Randall Tanner, or Edward Dale Crenshaw. Sorry. I'm swimming in the phone book.
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Post by Doc on Apr 15, 2008 1:01:56 GMT -5
Garrett Long Hughes.
Roger Wendell Crastner
Kent Garvin Peterson
Lloyd Taylor Anderson
Francis "Budd" Nance
Terry John Burkhalter
Doyle Simpson Drake
Phillip Jackson Richards
Wesley Royce Landers
Lee Gowers
Thomas Wycliffe
Samuel Duggert
James Teagarten
Kevin Waters
Quinn Talbert
Mark Scott Rivers
Ricky Allen Matthews
Polle Mike Hartnee
Frank Tracy
Rupert Douglas
Sean Pebblebrook McAlllister
Barton Stigwood
Walter Flowers
Rakeera Kühn
Charles David Vera (vera, chuck, and dave)
Steven Milton Patterson
Yohimbi Botswana Jones the III
Barbara Stanwick
That's all I can think of for tonight. Goodnight.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 15, 2008 7:53:46 GMT -5
Actually, there are a lot of people who like that so-called "worthless fluff", myself included. I think anyone can see that he's always done his best. I see you cited Silly Love Songs as one of his less admiral works. How clever! You want to know another song that a lot of people hate? Gone Troppo. That entire album and it's title track are considered some of the worst examples of pop garbage ever released by a Beatle. Was George Harrison replaced? Must we blame it on Feorge Farrison, who clearly didn't respect himself or else he wouldn't have released an entire album's worth of muzak? You seem convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Paul is dead and that his replacement has disrespected his so-called "legacy" by releasing horrible songs. And yet you seem to have failed to account for all the horrible songs released by John, George and Ringo. Were they replaced or is it possible that they're just....I don't know....FALLIBLE? Did they disrespect their own legacies? How is that even possible? Everyone is their own person doing their own thing, which under most circumstances is the very best they can. Man, yer just getting all worked up over nothing.... just accept the name "Faul" & let it go.... oh, and good luck defending that Macca 80's "music"
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 8:10:28 GMT -5
Actually, there are a lot of people who like that so-called "worthless fluff", myself included. I think anyone can see that he's always done his best. I see you cited Silly Love Songs as one of his less admiral works. How clever! You want to know another song that a lot of people hate? Gone Troppo. That entire album and it's title track are considered some of the worst examples of pop garbage ever released by a Beatle. Was George Harrison replaced? Must we blame it on Feorge Farrison, who clearly didn't respect himself or else he wouldn't have released an entire album's worth of muzak? You seem convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Paul is dead and that his replacement has disrespected his so-called "legacy" by releasing horrible songs. And yet you seem to have failed to account for all the horrible songs released by John, George and Ringo. Were they replaced or is it possible that they're just....I don't know....FALLIBLE? Did they disrespect their own legacies? How is that even possible? Everyone is their own person doing their own thing, which under most circumstances is the very best they can. Man, yer just getting all worked up over nothing.... just accept the name "Faul" & let it go.... oh, and good luck defending that Macca 80's "music" I'll let it go, but I won't accept a ridiculous name thought up by the author(s) of 60IF. I won't resort to calling him by some fake name, because it makes it all the easier to villainise the man (I'm looking at you, 65if2007). And "This One" is a fantastic song, actually.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 15, 2008 8:23:30 GMT -5
So this thread has now become yet another forum for argument completely unrelated to the OP.
Who gives a flying f**k?
Call him whatever you want as I will, we all know who we mean and what our opinions are of him.
My name isn't really plastic paul, so when people call me pp for short I don't care. I obviously don't know if Jude is your real name and I don't care if it really is or not, but to make sure everyone knows who I'm talking about, I will continue to call you Jude for ease of recognition.
Is that OK with you boss, oops sorry, Jude?
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Post by il ras on Apr 15, 2008 9:20:55 GMT -5
pp, show some respect to Jude. We have been waiting two years for a leader that could tell us what we should write and what we shouldn't.
And now we finally have one:Jude (!) that kindly came here to teach us respect, and decide what we can write and what we cannot.
thank him and stop being disrespectful
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 9:35:32 GMT -5
That was a baited question, and you, sir, have fallen for the bait. JAMES PAUL MCCARTNEY: - Has 8 entries in the Grammy Hall of Fame (Sir Paul has 7)
- Won 4 Grammies
- Melody Maker Awards: ?
- Was awarded an MBE
- Released 7 commercially successful albums in his lifetime (not counting the dumbed-down US albums like Beatles VI).
Sir Paul McCartney - Has won 5 BRIT awards
- 1 NME Award
- 6 Grammy Awards
- Inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame
- Recipient a Lifetime Achievment Award from the Grammy people
- Recipient of a World Music Award
- Recipient of Award of Merit from the American Music Awards
- Recipient of an Academy Award
- Was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame
- Has over the years proved himself to be a devout conservationist, a champion of animal right causes.
- Has had 16 commercially successful albums (I overlooked the albums that debuted lower that #25 on the charts; many of the 16 debuted at #10 or higher).
- Broke from his rock star mold by releasing 4 critically-acclaimed classical music albums.
"But", you say, "he didn't do these things on his own, he did them as Paul McCartney". But he did do them on his own. If you believe PID then you must know that Paul McCartney was only in the spotlight for three years. During that time he wrote many hit songs. And so has Sir Paul in the 40+ years he's been who he is. The Lifetime Achievement Award and the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame awards weren't given to him just because he wrote Yesterday, they were given to him because he's an incredibly talented and successful musician. And please....don't even try to argue that he isn't. Money speaks louder than words, and for some reason BESIDES the fact that a man named Paul McCartney wrote a lot of hits between 1963 and 1966, he's done really well for himself in the last four decades. I respect the fact that for whatever bizarre reason you have decided that Paul McCartney is not a good person, but honestly, I think you're crazy if you think he hasn't achieved more success as Paul McCartney than his predecessor ever did within his 3 1/2 years of fame. I really mean no disrespect to James Paul McCartney by saying all of this; I'm just stating the facts.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 15, 2008 9:35:43 GMT -5
You're right il ras, my most sincere apologies.
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 9:39:54 GMT -5
pp, show some respect to Jude. We have been waiting two years for a leader that could tell us what we should write and what we shouldn't. And now we finally have one:Jude (!) that kindly came here to teach us respect, and decide what we can write and what we cannot. thank him and stop being disrespectful Please...shut up. If you'd read the earlier posts you'd know that I got into this because skyward mentioned how I didn't like the name Faul. I was only reiterating to thisone what I had said nearly a year ago. When was I telling either of you how you should or shouldn't write? Was I attacking someone personally....like you both are? Oh, I forgot rule 222 of the How To Talk to People Who Jump Into a Thread Without Reading All of It's Posts Handbook: Expressing an opinion is the exact same thing as making an imperative declaration. Avoid expressing your distaste with anything; otherwise people will turn smartass on you and crack jokes that show what little they know concerning that thing which they are having a laugh about.Thanks for correcting me, guys!
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Post by il ras on Apr 15, 2008 9:50:32 GMT -5
I'm confused...
"Faul" is disrespectful and "shut the fuck up" isn't?
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 9:51:41 GMT -5
Ah, but I didn't say "shut the fuck up"......did I?
It pays to read.
This thread really shows one of the annoying tendencies of human nature, and that is that people always seem to take to arms whenever their actions are called into question.
Notice how I was never addressing anyone in particular....oh eyesbleed, sure, but when this stupid thing began I was just explaining to thisone why I don't like to use the name Faul. YOU turned it into something that it wasn't: a war against people who use the name Faul. This was never a broad, sweeping condemnation of the whole community, but reading you, Letter B, and Plastic Paul's responses makes me think that's exactly what you took it as.
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Post by il ras on Apr 15, 2008 10:03:18 GMT -5
Ah, but I didn't say "shut the fuck up"......did I? yes you did and then you modify the post...
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Post by il ras on Apr 15, 2008 10:05:21 GMT -5
If you call someone stupid and, at the same time, try to teach respect, you must expect some reaction...
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 10:48:48 GMT -5
Man, yer just getting all worked up over nothing.... just accept the name "Faul" & let it go.... oh, and good luck defending that Macca 80's "music" I'll let it go, but I won't accept a ridiculous name thought up by the author(s) of 60IF. I won't resort to calling him by some fake name, because it makes it all the easier to villainise the man (I'm looking at you, 65if2007). The man is a villain, regardless of who he is. At that, he's not the worst villain around, even as far as pop stars go.
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 10:56:10 GMT -5
If you call someone stupid and, at the same time, try to teach respect, you must expect some reaction... I remember when I did both of those things! No.....wait....So are you and I. For every good thing we've done we've done at least a dozen rotten things. Everybody is a villain.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 11:05:22 GMT -5
That was a baited question, and you, sir, have fallen for the bait. JAMES PAUL MCCARTNEY: - Has 8 entries in the Grammy Hall of Fame (Sir Paul has 7)
- Won 4 Grammies
- Melody Maker Awards: ?
- Was awarded an MBE
- Released 7 commercially successful albums in his lifetime (not counting the dumbed-down US albums like Beatles VI).
Sir Paul McCartney - Has won 5 BRIT awards
- 1 NME Award
- 6 Grammy Awards
- Inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame
- Recipient a Lifetime Achievment Award from the Grammy people
- Recipient of a World Music Award
- Recipient of Award of Merit from the American Music Awards
- Recipient of an Academy Award
- Was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame
- Has over the years proved himself to be a devout conservationist, a champion of animal right causes.
- Has had 16 commercially successful albums (I overlooked the albums that debuted lower that #25 on the charts; many of the 16 debuted at #10 or higher).
- Broke from his rock star mold by releasing 4 critically-acclaimed classical music albums.
"But", you say, "he didn't do these things on his own, he did them as Paul McCartney". But he did do them on his own. If you believe PID then you must know that Paul McCartney was only in the spotlight for three years. During that time he wrote many hit songs. And so has Sir Paul in the 40+ years he's been who he is. The Lifetime Achievement Award and the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame awards weren't given to him just because he wrote Yesterday, they were given to him because he's an incredibly talented and successful musician. And please....don't even try to argue that he isn't. Money speaks louder than words, and for some reason BESIDES the fact that a man named Paul McCartney wrote a lot of hits between 1963 and 1966, he's done really well for himself in the last four decades. I respect the fact that for whatever bizarre reason you have decided that Paul McCartney is not a good person, but honestly, I think you're crazy if you think he hasn't achieved more success as Paul McCartney than his predecessor ever did within his 3 1/2 years of fame. I really mean no disrespect to James Paul McCartney by saying all of this; I'm just stating the facts. What of any of this? If he's a phony, then he never would have had the chance to accomplish any of it if he hadn't been allowed to assume the name of Paul McCartney. Whatever it is that he DID do on his own might not have gotten a second look if he hadn't been able to put Paul McCartney's name on it. And your hero, Iamaphoney (and I STILL don't get the incongruity between admiring both Iamaphoney and SPM) has taken to suggesting or pointing out that some "McCartney" numbers may have been written by Mal Evans. I have no idea what this man actually wrote. As far as I'm concerend, since the Beatles split up, almost all of it is crap. What does "commercially successful" mean anyway? The Marilyn Monroe tape that someone recently found will probably be commercially successful simply because of her name, but it isn't a work of art.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 11:06:36 GMT -5
How about faking being Paul? I know it's only a literal qualification (allegedly, of course), but if the boots fit... -j . I know you don't believe in some ridiculous scenario in which Bill Shepherd "took over" Paul's life in some "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" type of way....do you? You're the guy who came up with the whole "floral clock" theory about the Sgt. Pepper album.....you're much smarter than that. He's gone on to do greater things in Paul's name than Paul himself ever did....does that make him bad? You do realise that the other band members went along with this, right? Condemn all of them before picking on just one of them. I may be mistaken, but I believe you're above villainising that certain someone for taking the place of Paul McCartney, especially when there seems to be no hard evidence to prove he isn't Paul McCartney. Then what exactly is IT TIME for?
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 11:10:49 GMT -5
Speak for yourself.
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 15, 2008 11:38:21 GMT -5
We shall call him Raul, for Replacement Paul.
There is evidence that Jude was also replaced. What shall we call the impostor?
-j
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 11:50:25 GMT -5
Tell that to his critics. To them a good song is a good song, and a lousy one is a lousy one. Despite having Paul McCartney's name on almost everything he's ever done, he's had quite a few failures. I have no doubt in my mind that he would have eventually emerged as a superstar in his own right had he gone by any other name.
Didn't James Paul prove that his success had little to do with his name---and everything to do with the quality of his artistic output--by writing a few hit songs for Peter and Gordon?
Why can't I admire IAAP and still be a fan of Sir Paul's music? Even if he turns out to be anti-Christ, it won't change the fact that Backseat of My Car, Let It Be, This One, and Jenny Wren are all great songs.
Well, last I checked Mal Evans did help write a few songs from Sgt. Pepper. I know this because it was all over the news, not because IAAP suggested it. If Mal's creative output ventured any further, then I'm sure he would have recorded it in his now much-publicised diary!
Well I suppose then that I have no idea whether or not Elton John wrote the music to any of his songs. Sure, they're credited to him by everyone, but what does that prove? It could have been Billy Joel that wrote Candle In The Wind!
Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
But may I suggest RAM, Flowers in the Dirt, Band on the Run, Flaming Pie, Driving Rain, Chaos and Creation in the Backyard, and Memory Almost Full? Excellent albums, in my opinion.
It means, to paraphrase what I said earlier: "He's gone on to do bigger and better things". He's received many awards for his (or Billy Joel, or Elton John's, because you can never under any circumstance believe the songwriting credits!) music, moreso than JPM had in his lifetime. He broke boundaries by composing several albums of classical music (as I'm sure JPM would have). He saved the Liverpool Institute for Boys by turning it into the Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts. Obviously I'm not trying to knock JPM here, but Bill could've faded into obscurity like Ringo has and yet he hasn't. Could it be that his music has merit? You can only make so much money off of a name. The name Paul McCartney didn't stop several of his solo and Wings albums from being flops, but the quality of his music caused many of them to jump to top of the music charts.
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone, villain.
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