Jude
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 11:59:44 GMT -5
We shall call him Raul, for Replacement Paul. There is evidence that Jude was also replaced. What shall we call the impostor? -j Please don't waste your 1,000 post on such rubbish as this. I wasn't replaced, I'm just arguing with a lot of people that for whatever reason want to argue over some very un-argumentative things that I addressed to thisone many eons before this turned into a very silly run-on sentence-filled flame war. I'm growing very tired of this thread. Please, everyone, go back to the beginning and see that I was just expressing my opinion, an opinion that skyward had brought up, and was quite harmlessly conveying this information to thisone before il ras and plastic paul took it upon themselves to accuse me of ordering people around and shoving my way of doing things down their throats. To quote Sir Reginald Kenneth Dwight: It's sad So sad It's a sad sad situation And it's only getting more and more absurd.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Apr 15, 2008 12:33:11 GMT -5
So this thread has now become yet another forum for argument completely unrelated to the OP. Who gives a flying f**k? Call him whatever you want as I will, we all know who we mean and what our opinions are of him. My name isn't really plastic paul, so when people call me pp for short I don't care. I obviously don't know if Jude is your real name and I don't care if it really is or not, but to make sure everyone knows who I'm talking about, I will continue to call you Jude for ease of recognition. Is that OK with you boss, oops sorry, Jude? the voice of reason!! someone get that man a drink ;D
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 15, 2008 12:35:07 GMT -5
<snip> I'm growing very tired of this thread. Please, everyone, go back to the beginning and see that I was just expressing my opinion, an opinion that skyward had brought up, and was quite harmlessly conveying this information to thisone before il ras and plastic paul took it upon themselves to accuse me of ordering people around and shoving my way of doing things down their throats. The sparks began between you and thisone, and for a minute they were subtle and contained. Then you made a rather unfresh post where you started by asking thisone if he realized how stupid he sounded. Nobody else was involved in the skirmish until you said the following: "Faul....say it slowly......FAUL. Do you realize how incredibly stupid you sound?
"How can you take yourself seriously when, bad as it is that you're talking about a famous musician have died and been replaced, you're actually accustomed to calling him a stupid nickname that was made up by someone with far too much time on there hands? Or do you actually believe all of that 60IF BS? I truly pity you if you do."
Do you truly not understand why lots of people jumped on you after that? -j
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 12:42:28 GMT -5
the voice of reason!! someone get that man a drink ;D Boy, you really told me! Big bad, Jude....what was he thinking expressing an honest opinion, etc., etc.... The sparks began between you and thisone, and for a minute they were subtle and contained. Then you made a rather unfresh post where you started by asking thisone if he realized how stupid he sounded. Nobody else was involved in the skirmish until you said the following: "Faul....say it slowly......FAUL. Do you realize how incredibly stupid you sound?
"How can you take yourself seriously when, bad as it is that you're talking about a famous musician have died and been replaced, you're actually accustomed to calling him a stupid nickname that was made up by someone with far too much time on there hands? Or do you actually believe all of that 60IF BS? I truly pity you if you do."
Do you truly not understand why lots of people jumped on you after that? -j Well, I'm sorry that it sounded the way it did. What I was trying to get across to him is that I think it's a stupid-sounding nickname, but I suppose I should have picked my words more carefully. But I never said anyone should do as I do, and frankly the jokes that plastic paul and il ras made because of an opinion that I expressed came across as poorly-devised at best.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Apr 15, 2008 12:56:50 GMT -5
What does "commercially successful" mean anyway? The Marilyn Monroe tape that someone recently found will probably be commercially successful simply because of her name, but it isn't a work of art. fucking spot on mate!!!! * you can't measure a person's talent or ability on their successes, thats just not how it works. success can however be measured by factoring in things like: marketing, timing, connections, being willing to do what you're told (and this is all imo). the most musically talented man (or woman) in the world could, for all we know, be sitting in a shed in the desert - locked away from mankind - composing the most beautiful tunes ever unheard. (s)he doesn't own any internationally recognised awards... does that make them any less of a fantastic musician? look at the people who win these awards year in and year out (especially in the last few years) ... it means nothing. not a damn thing. the entire point of the entertainment industry is that they're selling you something (perhaps not always the musicians themselves, but certainly those higher in the chain of command). so accordingly, they'll use superlatives to make you believe its ... "AMAZING!! MIND-BLOWING!! SUPERB!! THE BEST ALBUM EVER!! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!! ITS THE MOST INNOVATIVE ALBUM SINCE PEPPER!! S/HE IS A BLOODY GENIUS!! THIS COMPOSER IS ON A LEVEL WITH MOZART!!" ... you get the picture. and anyway, its all subjective right? crap. there was another point i was going to make, but its slipped my mind. if i remember, ill make an edit tD * sorry to use the expletive, but this thread has really been grinding my gears
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Post by mommybird on Apr 15, 2008 12:57:36 GMT -5
I don't have the time ( or patience ) to go back to the beginning of this thread & read everyone's opinions & beefs. I will say that I call him Faul for two reasons. 1) A long time ago I read that he was given that name by Johnny. I figured if Johnny thought it fit, why not call him that. 2) For myself it gets too confusing because more than one person replaced Paul since late 1966. So, I just call them Faul because I feel that it's less complicated that way. It does get confusing for me, and I've been in this since 2003. I myself wouldn't want to guess how many people it has taken to replace Paul over the years.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Apr 15, 2008 12:59:21 GMT -5
look, i dont want to be drawn into this too deep or ill never get out- so ill just say: sorry if you took it the wrong way, jude. its hard to gauge tone and intent on here as we all know. but to be clear, i wasn't applauding pp for berating you. it was more the sentiment of his post:
Who gives a flying f**k?
Call him whatever you want as I will, we all know who we mean and what our opinions are of him.
My name isn't really plastic paul, so when people call me pp for short I don't care. I obviously don't know if Jude is your real name and I don't care if it really is or not, but to make sure everyone knows who I'm talking about, I will continue to call you Jude for ease of recognition.
hope that clears a few things up
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Post by blackbird on Apr 15, 2008 13:35:02 GMT -5
Well, I'll jump in to this one myself. When I found the IAAP videos and learned - probably - that the original Paul died and was replaced, I had no ill feelings toward today's Paul. I did go through a period of depression when I realized the real Paul was dead. . . . . and I was really depressed for a number of days. It was truly a SHOCK for me.
So the search to find out what really happened to the real Paul has been my objective and still is my objective. It has lead me in many directions (to say the least).
I know next to nothing of the things that are talked about here, so therefore, I am unable to discuss most things or add anything that would be helpful.
I don't know if I have referred to today's Paul as Faul - I may have but I will make sure I don't from here on out.
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 13:41:31 GMT -5
Well, I'll jump in to this one myself. When I found the IAAP videos and learned - probably - that the original Paul died and was replaced, I had no ill feelings toward today's Paul. I did go through a period of depression when I realized the real Paul was dead. . . . . and I was really depressed for a number of days. It was truly a SHOCK for me. So the search to find out what really happened to the real Paul has been my objective and still is my objective. It has lead me in many directions (to say the least). I know next to nothing of the things that are talked about here, so therefore, I am unable to discuss most things or add anything that would be helpful. I don't know if I have referred to today's Paul as Faul - I may have but I will make sure I don't from here on out. That's very kind of you, Blackbird, but I hope you wouldn't call him something other than Faul just because it irks me. I was never asking anyone to change, just expressing my opinion of the name and it's usage.
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Post by blackbird on Apr 15, 2008 13:44:04 GMT -5
No, I just don't think I usually referred to him by that name - maybe some - i dunno ? But I probably won't use that name anyway. :^)
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Post by skyward on Apr 15, 2008 14:01:19 GMT -5
Now I wish I could have found the old thread where we had this similar discussion. Regardless, I think it is helpful to discuss even a simple thing like, "what should we call the guy?" because I have wondered which moniker to use. It doesn't matter to me what others use, but it did matter to thisone when I called him Sir Paul. I agree, for the most part, with Jude's sentiments. What if we're all wrong and JPM and Faul are the same person? Yeah, it sure doesn't seem likely, but what if that is the case? Do you still despise the guy we see now?
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 14:28:14 GMT -5
Now I wish I could have found the old thread where we had this similar discussion. Regardless, I think it is helpful to discuss even a simple thing like, "what should we call the guy?" because I have wondered which moniker to use. It doesn't matter to me what others use, but it did matter to thisone when I called him Sir Paul. I agree, for the most part, with Jude's sentiments. What if we're all wrong and JPM and Faul are the same person? I think that it's quite possible. I'm not even able to quanitify my own reading of the probability of it. I am not able to guess at how likely it is that it's the same guy. All I can say that I think that it's quite possible that he is and that it's quite possible that he isn't. Photo comparisons go both ways and thereby prove nothing. I have little patience with anyone who says that THIS particular comparison (or set of comparisons) proves the case one way or the other. Post-1966 Paul looks just like pre-1966 Paul, except when he doesn't. Post-1966 Paul doesn't look a thing like pre-1966 Paul, except when he does. If there was a double, I strongly suspect that he was involved with the Beatles before September 11, 1966, thus adding to the confusion. Yes. A thousand times yes. It may very well have been the same individual who simply continued to become more and more corrupted by drugs, the celebrity experience, and the coarsening of popular culture in general. If it's the same guy, I hate what he became.
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 14:36:12 GMT -5
Yes. A thousand times yes. It may very well have been the same individual who simply continued to become more and more corrupted by drugs, the celebrity experience, and the coarsening of popular culture in general. If it's the same guy, I hate what he became. I understand where you're coming from when you talk about the coarsening of popular culture, but I don't see how Macca is "corrupt". He certainly was corrupted at some point, but no more so than John or the other Beatles, and he hardly seems corrupt now---just a kindly, if somewhat conceited old man.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 14:53:01 GMT -5
Yes. A thousand times yes. It may very well have been the same individual who simply continued to become more and more corrupted by drugs, the celebrity experience, and the coarsening of popular culture in general. If it's the same guy, I hate what he became. I understand where you're coming from when you talk about the coarsening of popular culture, but I don't see how Macca is "corrupt". He certainly was corrupted at some point, but no more so than John or the other Beatles, Maybe not, but John and George aren't here. A foolish old man scarcely able to govern his own life and yet trying to become the keeper of our consciences.
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 15:07:19 GMT -5
A foolish old man scarcely able to govern his own life and yet trying to become the keeper of our consciences. I am beginning to sense that you're not a fan his anti-seal clubbing and pro-vegetarianism efforts.
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 15:09:53 GMT -5
A foolish old man scarcely able to govern his own life and yet trying to become the keeper of our consciences. I am beginning to sense that you're not a fan his anti-seal clubbing and pro-vegetarianism efforts. You're BEGINNING to sense that?
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 15:24:06 GMT -5
I am beginning to sense that you're not a fan his anti-seal clubbing and pro-vegetarianism efforts. You're BEGINNING to sense that? I hope you don't mind me asking, but why? Is that you are particularly fond of seeing baby animals beaten to death, or is that you simply feel that he is too judgmental of people who eat meat?
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 15, 2008 15:38:45 GMT -5
You're BEGINNING to sense that? I hope you don't mind me asking, but why? Is that you are particularly fond of seeing baby animals beaten to death, Well, it's just that that's how I make my living -- by clubbing baby seals to death. I'm an official Infant Seal Clubber. Or rather, I make my living by charging other people for the privilege. I run an amusement park called Baby Seal Clubberland. I have a special rate for children and seniors. I think that he's too judgmental of anyone who is not an aging hippie or doesn't want to become one (or emulate one).
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Post by Jude on Apr 15, 2008 15:55:24 GMT -5
I hope you don't mind me asking, but why? Is that you are particularly fond of seeing baby animals beaten to death, Well, it's just that that's how I make my living -- by clubbing baby seals to death. I'm an official Infant Seal Clubber. Or rather, I make my living by charging other people for the privilege. I run an amusement park called Baby Seal Clubberland. I have a special rate for children and seniors. Hardy-har. I guess I asked for that, didn't I? Yeah.....I suppose.
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Post by skyward on Apr 15, 2008 18:09:15 GMT -5
A foolish old man scarcely able to govern his own life and yet trying to become the keeper of our consciences. I am beginning to sense that you're not a fan his anti-seal clubbing and pro-vegetarianism efforts. I know of these efforts, I don't know much about how the efforts are carried out. I don't look at activism as something to be relegated to the hippie-crowd. They might be the predominant force that is typically seen in news reports where you might see people camping out in a tree or something. Deciding to become a vegetarian might be a difficult decision for someone to undertake, what with all the fast-food fixes out there. I think that it might help if you see a recognizable face advocating the various options in life one might choose. "Oh, he is a vegetarian, I didn't know that, maybe I can learn more about it." I don't see harm there, though it could become more of a 'forceful' campaign, e.g. "Meat is Murder you monster" which could cause backlash. And there is a trace of activism here, right? In the relative scheme of things, Beatles' fans could be all seen as baby-seals ripe for the clubbing by the Beatles' machine and we're here searching every nook and cranny to find proof of their actions. I know activism can become over-bearing and "all-the-rage" and at times cultish with the Messianic wannabees, but that doesn't mean that activism in its simplest form is inherently a scornful endeavor. It's as simple as someone standing up and saying, 'Hey, are you sure we should continue doing this, or something doesn't seem right about this, maybe we should check it out' It's skepticism speaking out and questioning, trying to understand. It's offering advice to someone who is unsure or uncertain. Whatever else it is, it is worthy of its own topic for discussion. And again, yes, it can go too far, at times, so I understand where 65if2007 is coming from- Tolerance level has been exceeded.
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Post by CoconutFudge on Apr 15, 2008 20:37:44 GMT -5
Do you still despise the guy we see now? Same person, not the same person... a lot of us don't despise him regardless! I don't, anyway. The man writes some really catchy songs!
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Post by B on Apr 15, 2008 21:32:37 GMT -5
65if2007 wrote: "The man is a villain, regardless of who he is.
At that, he's not the worst villain around, even as far as pop stars go."
Just the Zodiak killer. ;D
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Post by Doc on Apr 16, 2008 18:24:55 GMT -5
65if2007 wrote: "The man is a villain, regardless of who he is.
At that, he's not the worst villain around, even as far as pop stars go." Just the Zodiak killer. ;D Well, villain or not, he may just kill us with comedy. Check this out. It's ripe and delicious and I may never be the same again. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNqhYvpRuSALike, this man lives on my street. (Humor wise.......)
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Post by Doc on Apr 16, 2008 19:04:45 GMT -5
We shall call him Raul, for Replacement Paul. There is evidence that Jude was also replaced. What shall we call the impostor? -j Please don't waste your 1,000 post on such rubbish as this. I wasn't replaced, I'm just arguing with a lot of people that for whatever reason want to argue over some very un-argumentative things that I addressed to thisone many eons before this turned into a very silly run-on sentence-filled flame war. I'm growing very tired of this thread. Please, everyone, go back to the beginning and see that I was just expressing my opinion, an opinion that skyward had brought up, and was quite harmlessly conveying this information to thisone before il ras and plastic paul took it upon themselves to accuse me of ordering people around and shoving my way of doing things down their throats. To quote Sir Reginald Kenneth Dwight: It's sad So sad It's a sad sad situation And it's only getting more and more absurd."It's a sad, sad situation, and sorry seems to be the hardest word......" I lived that song one year. Great song. It allowed me many a good cry when I needed it. Anyway, the rhetorical answer to jarvitronics question would be of course "Fude" or "Food" but let's abandon this line of reason. Or non-reason..... Jude--absolutely you are entitled to your opinion. It's tough staying neutral sometimes about the details. At lteast I find that to be true. But I am learning to relax with it and just realize that I don't have even a smidgeon of the details of all this PWR stuff straight. It's complex and I'm a bit lazy, sometimes, and really, we don't have access to a lot of things that might make our way clearer. We just don't have any documents. Well, there is 60IF. Uhm. Well, OK. We just don't have any documents.
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Post by iameye on Apr 16, 2008 20:13:53 GMT -5
"May a good cry"?
April showers bring May flowers, Doc. And BTW, you've NEVER looked better.
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