Post by beatlies on Oct 23, 2006 4:32:20 GMT -5
John has two half-brothers from the marriage of Pauline Lennon and Alfred Lennon. They are named David and Robin Lennon. One was born in 1968, the other born in 1973. I have seen no pictures or discussion of them in the media, which is extremely odd.
A quick google search turned up very little information in them. There appear to be two David Lennons; one of them is an American Julliard graduate musician (graduated in 1985). The other is a Ph.D. research chemist in Glasgow. Their faces look strangely alike! I found no picture of anyone who could plausibly be the Robin Lennon that is John Lennon's half-brother.
David Lennon (University of Glasgow chemist):
David Lennon (violist and president of the American Federation of Musicians (local 802)):
Some more information on John Lennon's family from a PWR-in-the-dark Beatles forum: (note the posts: "Hi Dave (if you are indeed David Lennon, John's brother)" ......
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saandelApr 16, 2005, 07:11 PM
how are john's half brothers doing?
anyone know?
im referring to pauline's/freddy's sons of course
i had thought they were not doing all that great
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AnyRoad69Apr 16, 2005, 11:52 PM
anyhow no Rockstar normal People i thing
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HMVNipperApr 17, 2005, 04:29 AM
I don't know anything about John's half brothers, Saandel...I'm not even sure of both their names, though I know one of them is, I believe, named David. They're in their late thirties-early forties now, I know they are a little younger than I am. Sorry not to be able to give you any other info.
I'm going to move this thread to Menlove Ave, which is specifically about John -- perhaps someone will see it there and be able to answer your questions. I'd like to know myself!
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KelvinApr 17, 2005, 05:05 AM
I read in the John Lennon Encyclopedia that, as of around 1998, they were just living quiet normal lives, as was their mother. Only one of them actually met John and that was when he was very young (around 3 or 4, I think). Sorry I don't have any more information.
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saandelApr 17, 2005, 06:51 AM
thanks for the info and at least resoponding
i appreicate it
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AnyRoad69Apr 17, 2005, 06:53 AM
His both Brothers named David Henry born February 26th 1969 and Robin Francis Lennon born October 22th 1973 in Brighton,
His other 3 Sister have all too a normal Life with Family etc.
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beatlelover45223Apr 17, 2005, 04:45 PM
that's cool :cool1: that you found that info on the brothers AR69.
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Feef_The_HippyApr 18, 2005, 06:52 AM
I feel bad, I didn't even know about his half brothers. I knew he had half sisters though. They were all on Julia's side, weren't they?
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HMVNipperApr 18, 2005, 07:21 AM
His two half sisters, Julia and Jacquie, were Julia's daughters with the man John called "Twitchy," John Dykins. There's also another half-sister whom Julia gave up for adoption as a baby, the result of an affair with a sailor. I think her name is (or was, it may not be now) Victoria, and that she was raised in Sweden or something...does anyone know more about this than I can recall? (Gotta love "senior moments" at age 43, I used to know this stuff cold!)
The half brothers were from Freddie -- I know he married some young Beatles fan in the mid sixties (is that Pauline?) and they are the children from that marriage. I never did know the younger one's name, thanks for posting that info, AnyRoad!
It's scary to think that John has two brothers younger than I am! :afraid1:
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beatlebangs1964Apr 25, 2005, 08:29 AM
The brothers were born in 1968 and 1973. One brother was named Robin, I believe. John never met them.
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EnchantingLennonApr 26, 2005, 02:26 AM
John only met David once, and I read that when Alfred and Pauline brought David over to see John, John threw them out of his house! Not sure which book that is from tho...but I guess John was aware that he had another half-brother, Robin, considering the fact that both Alfred and John did keep in touch until Alfred's death.
David and Robin have been included in Julian's website of his Lennon family, Lennon.net, so that must have a lot more information that can help you.
As for Victoria, her other name was Ingrid Pederson who worked (or works) as a nurse in England. She came out as John's long lost sister some years back after her adopted mother passed away. She had learned her connection to John in 1966 but kept it a secret on her adoptive parents' advice. One of John's aunts told John about his half sister and he tried to look for her, but had no luck. Last I heard, Stanley Parkes (John's cousin), Julia, Julian, Cynthia, and Yoko have welcomed her into the family. You can google her for more information, some links have been brought up on the subject (I typed in John Lennon's long lost sister)
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beatlebangs1964Apr 29, 2005, 07:38 AM
What is Julian's web site?
I read in Goldman's book (and I use that term "book" very generously) that on John's 30th birthday, he got very angry at his father and threw him out. I think I also read in Goldman's Questionable Claims that John had issues about having half brothers who were young enough to be his children.
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lennonluvr9Apr 29, 2005, 09:15 AM
Julian's site is at www.lennon.net, isnt it? Or www.julianlennon.com
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HMVNipperMay 01, 2005, 09:47 AM
Wow, thanks for the info about Victoria/Ingrid, Enchanting! That is really interesting to know. I'm glad that the rest of John's family have welcomed her with open arms.
I think there has to be more to John throwing Freddie and Pauline out...I did read someplace that Freddie came looking for John once he was famous and asked for money and that John threw him out, maybe it's the same story? Whatever it was, it sure was nervy of Freddie to show up that way when he never wanted anything to do with his son otherwise....ewww...
Of course, that isn't David's or Robin's fault -- I am sure John knew about them but probably preferred to keep his distance. I can't exactly blame him, given the nature of his relationship with his father.
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LovinLennon909May 01, 2005, 02:48 PM
Wow, thanks for the info about Victoria/Ingrid, Enchanting! That is really interesting to know. I'm glad that the rest of John's family have welcomed her with open arms.
I think there has to be more to John throwing Freddie and Pauline out...I did read someplace that Freddie came looking for John once he was famous and asked for money and that John threw him out, maybe it's the same story? Whatever it was, it sure was nervy of Freddie to show up that way when he never wanted anything to do with his son otherwise....ewww...
Of course, that isn't David's or Robin's fault -- I am sure John knew about them but probably preferred to keep his distance. I can't exactly blame him, given the nature of his relationship with his father.
I'd throw my father and his teenaged, star-struck wife out, too, if he'd been the kind of man Freddie Lennon was. I probably wouldn't want anything to do with the kids from that union, either, because that would mean seeing their father (Freddie.) I think it's pretty nice that John bought Freddie and Pauline (who was 19 when they wed) a house.
The whole choosing which parent-thingy he put John through at five would be enough to cause permanent trauma. And then that "It's My Life (My Love, My Home)" or whatever the name of his record was, was pretty questionable, too. Freddie was absolutely awful to John, and so it's no wonder John wasn't much of a father to Julian.
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HMVNipperMay 02, 2005, 12:43 PM
Oh yeah, I definitely agree with you, Jen...Freddie was just awful. To do what he (and Julia, let's face it, she wasn't much of a mother either and she wasn't blameless here either) did to a five year old kid is just completely unforgivable. I agree, it was nice of John to buy them a house, but beyond that I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to have anything to do with Freddie, his child bride, or his half-brothers. It's really sad, though -- talk about dysfunctional families! :afraid1:
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DHLennonMay 15, 2006, 12:30 PM
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HMVNipperMay 15, 2006, 01:45 PM
Hi Dave (if you are indeed David Lennon, John's brother) -- you may recall that you and I had some private message correspondence a while back, and I want to reiterate the profound apology for any disparaging comments I may have made about your father and family. I read what I said above, and in light of your post I am thoroughly embarrassed and chastised, and I hope you will believe that this apology is sincere. And as I promised you in those private messages, I have refrained from discussing your father since and intend to continue doing so.
I can certainly understand how it would be extremely upsetting to come onto a board like BeatleLinks and read disparaging things about your father. Please believe me when I say that the members of this forum are not nasty people, but rather have probably formed some unfortunate opinions based on things that have been said elsewhere, which is, I admit, unfair -- but remember too that we don't have much to go by regarding your father other than what the many books about John say -- and they, unfortunately, aren't usually very nice. You, I am sure, remember a far different man.
I hope that you do consider joining in on some of the discussions here on the forums and setting the record straight further. After all, you now have a username, you've "joined" technically, why not contribute in reality! I know that people would love to hear from you and know more about this man that we know so little about except through hearsay. Your input and insights would be wonderful, and I'm sure you could add immensely to many discussions here, not just the ones about Alf.
Please do consider it -- let us prove to you that we're not a community of disparaging and discourteous people.
Again, I am truly sorry if I personally have caused you or your family any inadvertant pain or upset. Consider me thoroughly embarrassed and thoroughly chastised! But please do consider joining in on the banter around here -- we'd love to have you!
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DHLennonMay 15, 2006, 02:33 PM
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HMVNipperMay 15, 2006, 02:42 PM
You are most welcome, Dave. Please tell your brother not to be angry at you for responding -- I am glad you did and I am sure others here will be too. He's welcome to join the forums too if he likes, of course!
I actually think, even more than any stories you may have about John (which you yourself say are not many and are limited more to things you were told rather than things you actually clearly remember), we here might be interested in hearing more about your father. As I said above, unfortunately, many of the things that Beatles fans know about him are the things that are out there for the public record, and sadly they are not always the most positive, and so this is an opportunity to tell us what you remember about him. I know that I would love to hear about him from your point of view -- as well as about your mother, since that information is also limited and not terribly positive in terms of what we are able to find out there. Information, insights and GOOD stories would be welcome and appreciated by everyone here, I can assure you.
I'm not, btw, asking you to divulge personal family information that you are not comfortable sharing. But anything you can tell us is welcome, and I know that no one would ever want to upset or hurt you.
I'm glad you came back and responded to my post -- and I hope that you will stick around for a while. :smile1: We're glad you're here!
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LovinLennon909May 15, 2006, 02:49 PM
I'm sorry DHLennon, if you are who you say you are. My comments are a year old, I honestly don't remember writing them, but that doesn't make me regret tham any less. It's easy to forget I'm writing about real people, in this case your family, and that's not right. I wasn't there and I have no clue as to how things went down.
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LovinLennon909May 15, 2006, 09:02 PM
I was never asking you to tell your story, nor was I ever asking you to prove you are Lennon's half-brother. I have no reason to disbelieve you, so unless you give some reason not to, I believe you are who you say you are.
I respect your privacy, just as I'd respect anyone else's privacy, whether they had famous dead relatives or not.
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maxeythecatMay 16, 2006, 10:48 PM
I will answer anything within reason that doesn't impinge on my family's privacy, but I'm not sure I have a lot to tell you.
No worries there, and welcome to the fray! Sad to say the only real knowledge that any of us poor schlubs've had about who and what Alfred Lennon was all about has been the same typical one sided "party line" info that's been said, quoted and printed ad infinitem for the past 40 years....believe me, it would be an absolute delight to learn a bit more about him from a different point of view. I'm sure he must've been every bit as complex a human being as the rest of us and probably had some good Scouse stories to tell! Don't feel pressured about whatever...it'd be nice to hear some of his growing up Liverpool tales and his adventures at sea...God knows he probably had plenty of those! Cheers m'lad and again welcome!
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A quick google search turned up very little information in them. There appear to be two David Lennons; one of them is an American Julliard graduate musician (graduated in 1985). The other is a Ph.D. research chemist in Glasgow. Their faces look strangely alike! I found no picture of anyone who could plausibly be the Robin Lennon that is John Lennon's half-brother.
David Lennon (University of Glasgow chemist):
David Lennon (violist and president of the American Federation of Musicians (local 802)):
Some more information on John Lennon's family from a PWR-in-the-dark Beatles forum: (note the posts: "Hi Dave (if you are indeed David Lennon, John's brother)" ......
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saandelApr 16, 2005, 07:11 PM
how are john's half brothers doing?
anyone know?
im referring to pauline's/freddy's sons of course
i had thought they were not doing all that great
thanks
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AnyRoad69Apr 16, 2005, 11:52 PM
anyhow no Rockstar normal People i thing
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HMVNipperApr 17, 2005, 04:29 AM
I don't know anything about John's half brothers, Saandel...I'm not even sure of both their names, though I know one of them is, I believe, named David. They're in their late thirties-early forties now, I know they are a little younger than I am. Sorry not to be able to give you any other info.
I'm going to move this thread to Menlove Ave, which is specifically about John -- perhaps someone will see it there and be able to answer your questions. I'd like to know myself!
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KelvinApr 17, 2005, 05:05 AM
I read in the John Lennon Encyclopedia that, as of around 1998, they were just living quiet normal lives, as was their mother. Only one of them actually met John and that was when he was very young (around 3 or 4, I think). Sorry I don't have any more information.
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saandelApr 17, 2005, 06:51 AM
thanks for the info and at least resoponding
i appreicate it
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AnyRoad69Apr 17, 2005, 06:53 AM
His both Brothers named David Henry born February 26th 1969 and Robin Francis Lennon born October 22th 1973 in Brighton,
His other 3 Sister have all too a normal Life with Family etc.
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beatlelover45223Apr 17, 2005, 04:45 PM
that's cool :cool1: that you found that info on the brothers AR69.
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Feef_The_HippyApr 18, 2005, 06:52 AM
I feel bad, I didn't even know about his half brothers. I knew he had half sisters though. They were all on Julia's side, weren't they?
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HMVNipperApr 18, 2005, 07:21 AM
His two half sisters, Julia and Jacquie, were Julia's daughters with the man John called "Twitchy," John Dykins. There's also another half-sister whom Julia gave up for adoption as a baby, the result of an affair with a sailor. I think her name is (or was, it may not be now) Victoria, and that she was raised in Sweden or something...does anyone know more about this than I can recall? (Gotta love "senior moments" at age 43, I used to know this stuff cold!)
The half brothers were from Freddie -- I know he married some young Beatles fan in the mid sixties (is that Pauline?) and they are the children from that marriage. I never did know the younger one's name, thanks for posting that info, AnyRoad!
It's scary to think that John has two brothers younger than I am! :afraid1:
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beatlebangs1964Apr 25, 2005, 08:29 AM
The brothers were born in 1968 and 1973. One brother was named Robin, I believe. John never met them.
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EnchantingLennonApr 26, 2005, 02:26 AM
John only met David once, and I read that when Alfred and Pauline brought David over to see John, John threw them out of his house! Not sure which book that is from tho...but I guess John was aware that he had another half-brother, Robin, considering the fact that both Alfred and John did keep in touch until Alfred's death.
David and Robin have been included in Julian's website of his Lennon family, Lennon.net, so that must have a lot more information that can help you.
As for Victoria, her other name was Ingrid Pederson who worked (or works) as a nurse in England. She came out as John's long lost sister some years back after her adopted mother passed away. She had learned her connection to John in 1966 but kept it a secret on her adoptive parents' advice. One of John's aunts told John about his half sister and he tried to look for her, but had no luck. Last I heard, Stanley Parkes (John's cousin), Julia, Julian, Cynthia, and Yoko have welcomed her into the family. You can google her for more information, some links have been brought up on the subject (I typed in John Lennon's long lost sister)
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beatlebangs1964Apr 29, 2005, 07:38 AM
What is Julian's web site?
I read in Goldman's book (and I use that term "book" very generously) that on John's 30th birthday, he got very angry at his father and threw him out. I think I also read in Goldman's Questionable Claims that John had issues about having half brothers who were young enough to be his children.
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lennonluvr9Apr 29, 2005, 09:15 AM
Julian's site is at www.lennon.net, isnt it? Or www.julianlennon.com
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HMVNipperMay 01, 2005, 09:47 AM
Wow, thanks for the info about Victoria/Ingrid, Enchanting! That is really interesting to know. I'm glad that the rest of John's family have welcomed her with open arms.
I think there has to be more to John throwing Freddie and Pauline out...I did read someplace that Freddie came looking for John once he was famous and asked for money and that John threw him out, maybe it's the same story? Whatever it was, it sure was nervy of Freddie to show up that way when he never wanted anything to do with his son otherwise....ewww...
Of course, that isn't David's or Robin's fault -- I am sure John knew about them but probably preferred to keep his distance. I can't exactly blame him, given the nature of his relationship with his father.
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LovinLennon909May 01, 2005, 02:48 PM
Wow, thanks for the info about Victoria/Ingrid, Enchanting! That is really interesting to know. I'm glad that the rest of John's family have welcomed her with open arms.
I think there has to be more to John throwing Freddie and Pauline out...I did read someplace that Freddie came looking for John once he was famous and asked for money and that John threw him out, maybe it's the same story? Whatever it was, it sure was nervy of Freddie to show up that way when he never wanted anything to do with his son otherwise....ewww...
Of course, that isn't David's or Robin's fault -- I am sure John knew about them but probably preferred to keep his distance. I can't exactly blame him, given the nature of his relationship with his father.
I'd throw my father and his teenaged, star-struck wife out, too, if he'd been the kind of man Freddie Lennon was. I probably wouldn't want anything to do with the kids from that union, either, because that would mean seeing their father (Freddie.) I think it's pretty nice that John bought Freddie and Pauline (who was 19 when they wed) a house.
The whole choosing which parent-thingy he put John through at five would be enough to cause permanent trauma. And then that "It's My Life (My Love, My Home)" or whatever the name of his record was, was pretty questionable, too. Freddie was absolutely awful to John, and so it's no wonder John wasn't much of a father to Julian.
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HMVNipperMay 02, 2005, 12:43 PM
Oh yeah, I definitely agree with you, Jen...Freddie was just awful. To do what he (and Julia, let's face it, she wasn't much of a mother either and she wasn't blameless here either) did to a five year old kid is just completely unforgivable. I agree, it was nice of John to buy them a house, but beyond that I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to have anything to do with Freddie, his child bride, or his half-brothers. It's really sad, though -- talk about dysfunctional families! :afraid1:
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DHLennonMay 15, 2006, 12:30 PM
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HMVNipperMay 15, 2006, 01:45 PM
Hi Dave (if you are indeed David Lennon, John's brother) -- you may recall that you and I had some private message correspondence a while back, and I want to reiterate the profound apology for any disparaging comments I may have made about your father and family. I read what I said above, and in light of your post I am thoroughly embarrassed and chastised, and I hope you will believe that this apology is sincere. And as I promised you in those private messages, I have refrained from discussing your father since and intend to continue doing so.
I can certainly understand how it would be extremely upsetting to come onto a board like BeatleLinks and read disparaging things about your father. Please believe me when I say that the members of this forum are not nasty people, but rather have probably formed some unfortunate opinions based on things that have been said elsewhere, which is, I admit, unfair -- but remember too that we don't have much to go by regarding your father other than what the many books about John say -- and they, unfortunately, aren't usually very nice. You, I am sure, remember a far different man.
I hope that you do consider joining in on some of the discussions here on the forums and setting the record straight further. After all, you now have a username, you've "joined" technically, why not contribute in reality! I know that people would love to hear from you and know more about this man that we know so little about except through hearsay. Your input and insights would be wonderful, and I'm sure you could add immensely to many discussions here, not just the ones about Alf.
Please do consider it -- let us prove to you that we're not a community of disparaging and discourteous people.
Again, I am truly sorry if I personally have caused you or your family any inadvertant pain or upset. Consider me thoroughly embarrassed and thoroughly chastised! But please do consider joining in on the banter around here -- we'd love to have you!
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HMVNipperMay 15, 2006, 02:42 PM
You are most welcome, Dave. Please tell your brother not to be angry at you for responding -- I am glad you did and I am sure others here will be too. He's welcome to join the forums too if he likes, of course!
I actually think, even more than any stories you may have about John (which you yourself say are not many and are limited more to things you were told rather than things you actually clearly remember), we here might be interested in hearing more about your father. As I said above, unfortunately, many of the things that Beatles fans know about him are the things that are out there for the public record, and sadly they are not always the most positive, and so this is an opportunity to tell us what you remember about him. I know that I would love to hear about him from your point of view -- as well as about your mother, since that information is also limited and not terribly positive in terms of what we are able to find out there. Information, insights and GOOD stories would be welcome and appreciated by everyone here, I can assure you.
I'm not, btw, asking you to divulge personal family information that you are not comfortable sharing. But anything you can tell us is welcome, and I know that no one would ever want to upset or hurt you.
I'm glad you came back and responded to my post -- and I hope that you will stick around for a while. :smile1: We're glad you're here!
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LovinLennon909May 15, 2006, 02:49 PM
I'm sorry DHLennon, if you are who you say you are. My comments are a year old, I honestly don't remember writing them, but that doesn't make me regret tham any less. It's easy to forget I'm writing about real people, in this case your family, and that's not right. I wasn't there and I have no clue as to how things went down.
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LovinLennon909May 15, 2006, 09:02 PM
I was never asking you to tell your story, nor was I ever asking you to prove you are Lennon's half-brother. I have no reason to disbelieve you, so unless you give some reason not to, I believe you are who you say you are.
I respect your privacy, just as I'd respect anyone else's privacy, whether they had famous dead relatives or not.
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maxeythecatMay 16, 2006, 10:48 PM
I will answer anything within reason that doesn't impinge on my family's privacy, but I'm not sure I have a lot to tell you.
No worries there, and welcome to the fray! Sad to say the only real knowledge that any of us poor schlubs've had about who and what Alfred Lennon was all about has been the same typical one sided "party line" info that's been said, quoted and printed ad infinitem for the past 40 years....believe me, it would be an absolute delight to learn a bit more about him from a different point of view. I'm sure he must've been every bit as complex a human being as the rest of us and probably had some good Scouse stories to tell! Don't feel pressured about whatever...it'd be nice to hear some of his growing up Liverpool tales and his adventures at sea...God knows he probably had plenty of those! Cheers m'lad and again welcome!
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