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Post by tygrefyfe on Apr 27, 2008 20:00:40 GMT -5
Yes, please, I'd like to know of that reference as well.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 27, 2008 20:32:04 GMT -5
Originally said by Lennon, if memory serves, with respect to the cover of Pepper. Anyone have a source on that? The song Flying is credited to all four Beatles. Might the "two are flying, two are not" statement imply that only two of the four Beatles appear on the cover of Pepper - meaning two are actors? -j That refers to taking a trip..... as in dropping acid. John & george were trippin' their buns off, Ringo & Bill were not. It seems like I've got John sayin' that on something, but I have no idea where it is or where I heard it.
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 27, 2008 21:05:24 GMT -5
Originally said by Lennon, if memory serves, with respect to the cover of Pepper. Anyone have a source on that? The song Flying is credited to all four Beatles. Might the "two are flying, two are not" statement imply that only two of the four Beatles appear on the cover of Pepper - meaning two are actors? -j That refers to taking a trip..... as in dropping acid. John & george were trippin' their buns off, Ringo & Bill were not. It seems like I've got John sayin' that on something, but I have no idea where it is or where I heard it. Tripping balls fits well as an explanation. (George looks blasted). I'd sure like to have a source - anyone? -j
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Post by JoJo on Apr 27, 2008 21:06:23 GMT -5
Originally said by Lennon, if memory serves, with respect to the cover of Pepper. Anyone have a source on that? The song Flying is credited to all four Beatles. Might the "two are flying, two are not" statement imply that only two of the four Beatles appear on the cover of Pepper - meaning two are actors? -j Heh, that would be brilliant on Lennon's part, and it's not too out of character for him to use a bit of shorthand like that. I found that quote and am pretty sure I posted it first, don't remember where I read it. I wanna say the Anthology book, but not sure.. Damn search function sucks since the upgrade..
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Post by B on Apr 27, 2008 21:21:23 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 27, 2008 21:28:22 GMT -5
I found what I was recalling. DVD #5 of "The Beatles : A Long & Winding Road" John sez "...and if you look closely at the album cover, you'll see 2 people who are flying & 2 who aren't.... (snicker).... that's just a little "in" joke.... (snicker). Two of them didn't share it with 2 others"
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 27, 2008 21:36:40 GMT -5
I think it is important to remember that Apollo WANTS US to reveal the "mystery" that is Sgt Pepper. He has clearly (dare I say eagerly?) expressed how BADLY IT SUCKS to engineer an artwork of most exquisite craft, release it to the eyes of whole effing world, and still, 40+ years and BILLIONS of cover viewings later, NOBODY GETS IT!
(This is where the chorus sings, "Fucking bloody hell!!!")
With the advent of the internet, it makes sense that all those involved in the craft that is Pepper, (meaning Neil and any still-living insider cohorts - GM, JPM, etc.), would wish to monitor site(s) on the internet where Pepper is being scrutinized, to learn if anyone appears to be getting it.
What I am trying to say is that IF THERE REALLY IS a cipher on Pepper, then it is a big DUH to conclude that WE ARE BEING WATCHED, regardless of whether or not Apollo was Neil Aspinall.
Dig?
-j
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Post by B on Apr 27, 2008 21:45:25 GMT -5
I think Apollo clearly was suggesting something other than drugs when referencing John's "flying" quote. Like the "this bird has flown" written next to the song Norwegian Wood on the back of the Rubber Soul album. Flown the coup at the very least.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 27, 2008 21:58:55 GMT -5
40+ years and BILLIONS of cover viewings later, NOBODY GETS IT! That was ACV's absolute, numero uno beef.. Took it quite personally it seems.
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Post by George Spiggott on Apr 27, 2008 22:00:55 GMT -5
You need wings to fly, btw..
Strange how Neil/Apollo, managed to log in here as recently as; 17/04/08., or maybe he was just careless with passwords.
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 27, 2008 22:04:29 GMT -5
Some points to ponder...
WHAT was the "relationship" between Paul and Tara?
What effect did Tara's passing have on "Paul?"
What exactly is he saying in the song "Venus and Mars"?
Remember, by the time of MMT, all the players had been set into motion. The clues on "Sgt. Pepper" tell the story. There was "no going back" from that event. (despite later pleas to reconsider) Everything that happened beyond that point had to follow script.
"Two are flying, two are not."
Apollo
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Post by iameye on Apr 27, 2008 22:46:46 GMT -5
"I" get it. It's easy. Always was.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Apr 27, 2008 23:00:08 GMT -5
How is NIR Committee so sure that ACV = Neil?
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Post by fireman on Apr 28, 2008 0:00:13 GMT -5
I posted this at the end of August last year, it was pretty recent at the time. JoJo
Greetings, mate. You caught me at a good time. As for the "POE" connection, it serves more as a "blueprint" than an actual code. Although, many can be sussed. Same as Carroll, it serves the purpose to seek new ways of "seeing" what is there. There's nothing you can see that isn't shown. You just need to know what you're looking for. Then it will all make sense. Kind of shines a new light on the subject. Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions. Funny how that keeps comng up, from time to time. Oh well, yeah life is good.
Having a good death is more important.
ApolloWhat I find so interesting about this message is ACV acknowledging that "Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions." ... Maybe we need to reexamine some of the older threads again, specifically anything that pertains to Peppers.
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Post by DarkHorse on Apr 28, 2008 0:02:37 GMT -5
The question is does anybody know here about a clue on Pepper that suggests a scenario other than the one of Paul dying? If so, let's hear it.
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 28, 2008 0:07:00 GMT -5
Edgar Allan Poe might represent such a clue.....while in the military he paid for a replacement....for himself.
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Post by fireman on Apr 28, 2008 0:18:54 GMT -5
Does anybody know about a clue on Pepper that suggests a scenario other than the one of Paul dying? If so, please share.... Good question! ... Let's look at the cover in a very general matter much as we've all done in the past. ... The cover represents a funeral. The grave displays "Beatles" spelled out in flowers. ... The explanation I've heard in the past is that the funeral imagery is there to show the symbolic death of the "old," pre-Pepper's Beatles. The "new" Beatles are looking directly at us on the cover while wax figures representing the "old Beatles gaze at their own grave. ... Two are flying, two are not...maybe we need to look at more than just Paul for all the answers.
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 28, 2008 0:33:32 GMT -5
Does anybody know about a clue on Pepper that suggests a scenario other than the one of Paul dying? If so, please share.... At first impression, harboring no preconceived notions, the funeral is as fireman says, for Beatles. They were Moondogs and Silver Beetles and Quarrymen in other incarnations; why not Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, after they broke up the first time, 1966? The whole package says Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. All of it. The cover of their album is them playing at a funeral for Beatles. Then in 1968 comes a white album called "The Beatles." Paul is back. "Brother can you take me back?" But it couldn't be that simple, right? Anyone for a game of Occam's Razor? -j
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Post by fireman on Apr 28, 2008 0:56:36 GMT -5
Does anybody know about a clue on Pepper that suggests a scenario other than the one of Paul dying? If so, please share.... At first impression, harboring no preconceived notions, the funeral is as fireman says, for Beatles. They were Moondogs and Silver Beetles and Quarrymen in other incarnations; why not Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, after they broke up the first time, 1966? The whole package says Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. All of it. The cover of their album is them playing at a funeral for Beatles. Then in 1968 comes a white album called "The Beatles." Paul is back. "Brother can you take me back?" But it couldn't be that simple, right? Anyone for a game of Occam's Razor? -j Jarv, this is an interesting hypothesis...maybe to expand you could say that the "roles" had to continue even after the Beatles were "buried" which explains why Bill had to mimic Paul... ... The Paul comes back and thus we have The Beatles again... ... Or something like that...
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 28, 2008 1:19:31 GMT -5
Jarv, this is an interesting hypothesis...maybe to expand you could say that the "roles" had to continue even after the Beatles were "buried" which explains why Bill had to mimic Paul... <snip> What if we get one guy who looks like Paul, and another guy who sounds like Paul, and call ourselves Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and make a record, and sing over and over again, "We're Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." We'll never say the guy on the cover or the guy on the record is Paul, but we'll let people assume it, and we won't claim to be The Beatles, but we'll let people assume it. Hey man, we told you we were Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band! The record label, the album cover, the songs - EVERYTHING! Hey man, we showed you Beatles were dead! It's so blatant that it went right over everybody's head. -j
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 28, 2008 7:44:54 GMT -5
I think Apollo clearly was suggesting something other than drugs when referencing John's "flying" quote. Like the "this bird has flown" written next to the song Norwegian Wood on the back of the Rubber Soul album. Flown the coup at the very least. Then what was it that John wasn't sharing with the other 2 if it's not a "ticket to fly"... in other words... a tab of acid.
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Post by fireman on Apr 28, 2008 9:28:21 GMT -5
Jarv, this is an interesting hypothesis...maybe to expand you could say that the "roles" had to continue even after the Beatles were "buried" which explains why Bill had to mimic Paul... <snip> What if we get one guy who looks like Paul, and another guy who sounds like Paul, and call ourselves Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and make a record, and sing over and over again, "We're Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." We'll never say the guy on the cover or the guy on the record is Paul, but we'll let people assume it, and we won't claim to be The Beatles, but we'll let people assume it. Hey man, we told you we were Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band! The record label, the album cover, the songs - EVERYTHING! Hey man, we showed you Beatles were dead! It's so blatant that it went right over everybody's head. -j Exactly. It may be of some interest to go back and look at everything from this perspective. ACV always tried to make it apparent to us that we're over thinking Sgt. Pepper's. ... "Theres NOTHING you can SEE that isn't SHOWN...it's easy!" ... Too easy?
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Post by skyward on Apr 28, 2008 9:51:03 GMT -5
Jarv, this is an interesting hypothesis...maybe to expand you could say that the "roles" had to continue even after the Beatles were "buried" which explains why Bill had to mimic Paul... <snip> What if we get one guy who looks like Paul, and another guy who sounds like Paul, and call ourselves Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and make a record, and sing over and over again, "We're Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." We'll never say the guy on the cover or the guy on the record is Paul, but we'll let people assume it, and we won't claim to be The Beatles, but we'll let people assume it. Hey man, we told you we were Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band! The record label, the album cover, the songs - EVERYTHING! Hey man, we showed you Beatles were dead! It's so blatant that it went right over everybody's head. -j But, wait, hold on, what about the helicopter crash in California, the one where JPM was along for a ride to go pick up good ol' Don Knotts and the copter blades hit a cable and crashed into a ferris wheel and JPM bailed and pulled his chute, but it was of no use. And then they had to zap all the people at the amusement park with a forget-ray so they wouldn't tell anyone about the helicopter crashing into a ferris wheel, as that would have been a very large news item... Where does that fit in all this? ;D
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 28, 2008 10:38:11 GMT -5
But, wait, hold on, what about the helicopter crash in California, the one where JPM was along for a ride to go pick up good ol' Don Knotts and the copter blades hit a cable and crashed into a ferris wheel and JPM bailed and pulled his chute, but it was of no use. And then they had to zap all the people at the amusement park with a forget-ray so they wouldn't tell anyone about the helicopter crashing into a ferris wheel, as that would have been a very large news item... Where does that fit in all this? ;D
At TKIN, silly goose!
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Post by B on Apr 28, 2008 11:01:53 GMT -5
I think Apollo clearly was suggesting something other than drugs when referencing John's "flying" quote. Like the "this bird has flown" written next to the song Norwegian Wood on the back of the Rubber Soul album. Flown the coup at the very least. Then what was it that John wasn't sharing with the other 2 if it's not a "ticket to fly"... in other words... a tab of acid. EB, I know that 'John' was kidding about drugs, but I think Apollo was saying there was more to it.
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