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Post by blackbird on Jun 18, 2008 21:28:13 GMT -5
OK, I'm now going with the scenario that Real Paul is alive and well and that his name wasn't James Paul... it was John Paul. I'll check in tomorrow to see if I've changed my mind.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 18, 2008 23:14:56 GMT -5
Good point! The Don Knotts stuff makes a lot more sense. It's not fair to the Knotts biographers. Comparing us to the "Don Knotts theorists" because we've put forth an idea that the JPM "death" was figurative, not literal is a bit much, don't ya think?
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Post by ramone on Jun 18, 2008 23:48:12 GMT -5
I'm back just for this post. And it's because of such threads as this, it's beginning to look like TKIN and that is one of the reasons I had left a couple of months ago. While I entertain ideas that are tossed about, some things are just getting out of hand and this is one of them! Whether or not people want to acknowledge the fact that Paul was killed, does not change the fact that he was no longer a Beatle. I'm still standing by my theory that there were at least Two Fauls, the one many know as Bill, the Faul we know today, and one that some had referred to as "Mountain Man" who is pictured NOT JPM! There are people who want to think that Bill was the one and only Faul, but these pictures who some think is JPM returned, is the Mountain Man, who was on the cover of "Mc Cartney" album. "Mountain Man" does not have the long face that Bill has and his eyes drooped more like JPM's than Bill's do. But that is NOT JPM! Hey Rita, nice you came back for a visit. If we look at the evidence, there isn't really anything that proves that paul was killed, or even dead. Example: We have the bass drum on pepper that says he died. That didn't come about on it's own. But, it just doesn't prove it. It might have been just the statement that paul was dead as far as being a beatle. Again, going back to the david frost '64 interview- 'when do you think you would retire? 'in a couple years or so'. Is this proof? No. But, it fits the time line that's for sure. When it comes to replacement paul, there's a very good chance there was more than one faul. and maybe more than two. The pics we have seem to show that. Original pic evidence is a big thing in all of this. It's true that there are alot of album clues that could be discussed. But, if paul looked EXACTLY like paul from early 60's straight thru to '70 (and beyond), this forum might not even exist. Except for minor changes do any of you out there really look THAT different from pics 7 or 8 years ago? Do your friends, family and neighbors seriously think you're not the same person? Yet, paul's changes didn't come over 7 or 8 years. It was a matter of months. Months. Going a step further. Do YOU look that different in a matter of months? So we can see why pic evidence raised a red flag or two or three. No one noticed the changes because no one was tuned into it. But once that started to happen, people took a second (and closer) look. With new eyes so to speak. Then came the mental realization-'uh oh, something's very wrong here'.
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Post by Valis on Jun 19, 2008 0:46:06 GMT -5
Ain't it funny how we can compare pictures until the end of forever
Ain't it funny how we can hang onto every word of IAAP until the end of forever
Ain't it funny how we can go onto ledges of Paul being turned into a woman, and Don, Charlie and Viv playing all these roles simultaneously.
Ain't it funny that we ignore every intelligent attempt to solve this case, the only conclusion we can come to at this point IMHO is that there is something fundamentally crazy going on with reality and time and space.
There's a great book by Michael Talbot named "the Holographic Universe" go fucking read it or one of the many articles based on it online. That is where the fucking answer lies, and I'm just a person, not an EMI/MPL/Apple insider.
Feel free to run around in circles as long as you want, but this may be the answer.
"infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion"
I Love You, Jan
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 19, 2008 7:02:26 GMT -5
OK, I'm now going with the scenario that Real Paul is alive and well and that his name wasn't James Paul... it was John Paul. I'll check in tomorrow to see if I've changed my mind. Now that you've slept on it, I'll bet your ready to switch over to the Don Knotts, Viv Stanshall camp! ;D
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Post by blackbird on Jun 19, 2008 7:38:46 GMT -5
RAMONE SAID: When it comes to replacement paul, there's a very good chance there was more than one faul. and maybe more than two. The pics we have seem to show that. Original pic evidence is a big thing in all of this.
I can agree with that completely.
VALIS SAID: Feel free to run around in circles as long as you want, but this may be the answer.
"infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion"
Bless you! Very nicely put~
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Post by blackbird on Jun 19, 2008 7:44:21 GMT -5
Dear Eyesbleed: Yeah I just can't see the LOGIC in this . . . and I know IT ruffles my feathers - being a Blackbird, you know. And I just feel efforts can be put to better use rather than continuing THIS ?discussion?. That's the point I wanted to make. Why not put efforts to better use (this has NOT been a paid political announcement)
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Post by mommybird on Jun 19, 2008 8:11:59 GMT -5
Jan, you are such a sweet man. I know that your beliefs are very dear to you. I find the holographic universe theory to be very credible. With all the weird stuff that I have experienced, I am in no position to discount anytihng. ;D I am so happy to see you back here posting. I miss you when you're gone for such long periods of time. My little blackbirdie, don't let your feathers get too ruffled. What is important is that people keep looking to try to find out the truth. If they want to believe that Paul is still alive, that's their perogative. Just as it is our perogative to believe what we believe.
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Post by ramone on Jun 19, 2008 15:50:46 GMT -5
Hey Jan, funny you mention H. Universe. That book came to mind after I read some of your previous posts. Don't think I agreed with everything in the book. Hard to remember. I read it quite a while ago and not sure about everything detail wise.
A. Aspect did an amazing particle experiment involving polarizers that showed non-locality. This has a 'connection' with holo-stuff. I doubt if a lot of main stream physicists have come to grips with this one.
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Post by pataphysical on Jun 19, 2008 17:17:56 GMT -5
What is important is that people keep looking to try to find out the truth. If they want to believe that Paul is still alive, that's their perogative. Just as it is our perogative to believe what we believe. Be careful that your beliefs don't get in the way of finding the truth. We humans are masters of self-deception.
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Post by mommybird on Jun 20, 2008 9:10:44 GMT -5
Pataphysical, ain't that the truth !
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 20, 2008 17:56:24 GMT -5
...and of course a lot of people just use their "beliefs" to get what they want. You've got this bunch of horny ol'goats who figured out that if they profess certain beliefs & join a certain group, they can force a bunch of teenage girls to "marry" them, & never face any repercussions! P-A-R-T-A-Y-! And there's plenty of preachers, like my "dad" who realized that if he stood behind a pulpit & delivered sermons on his fake beliefs, people would actually pass around a plate & fill it with cash! Which he could then use to make his Cadillac payments! And all he had to do was talk some crap for 30 minutes! Cool! I guess a lot of people are too lazy & corrupt to have any real beliefs. ....a little OT for a "Did JPM return" thread, oh well...
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Post by Red Lion on Jun 20, 2008 20:09:31 GMT -5
And there's plenty of preachers, like my "dad" who realized that if he stood behind a pulpit & delivered sermons on his fake beliefs, people would actually pass around a plate & fill it with cash!
Is that legal?? Sounds like it could give religion a bad name.
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Post by blackbird on Jun 20, 2008 20:34:11 GMT -5
EYESBLEED SAID: And there's plenty of preachers, like my "dad" who realized that if he stood behind a pulpit & delivered sermons on his fake beliefs, people would actually pass around a plate & fill it with cash! Which he could then use to make his Cadillac payments! And all he had to do was talk some crap for 30 minutes! Cool!
Do you think the average community church preacher has any idea of what he is doing? Or are they kept in the dark about the "truth". I'd be interested to know~ Thanks
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 20, 2008 22:24:42 GMT -5
And there's plenty of preachers, like my "dad" who realized that if he stood behind a pulpit & delivered sermons on his fake beliefs, people would actually pass around a plate & fill it with cash!Is that legal?? Sounds like it could give religion a bad name. Well sure..... the passing of the offering plate ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 20, 2008 22:28:21 GMT -5
Do you think the average community church preacher has any idea of what he is doing? Or are they kept in the dark about the "truth". I'd be interested to know~ Thanks
NO... absolutely not. (that is, most aren't crooks) I'm sure there are plenty of good honest preachers out there who are truely good people for the right reasons. ....but my "dad" is a liar & a thief who didn't care much for his family, so I'm familiar with the 'other' kind of religious leader.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 20, 2008 22:49:52 GMT -5
Don't forget those preachers are in all religions, including the occult... Maharishi... Charles Manson... ROBERT DEGRIMSTON... etc
How does the song go? "Follow, Mr. Apollo..."
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Post by iameye on Jun 20, 2008 23:06:46 GMT -5
Don't forget those preachers are in all religions, including the occult... Maharishi... Charles Manson... ROBERT DEGRIMSTON... etc How does the song go? "Follow, Mr. Apollo..." lyrics worth posting: I have seen Mr. ApolloUproot trees with his bare hands I have seen Mr. Apollo's Body building plans
He's the strongest man The world has ever seen And if you take his courses He'll make you big and rough
Oh! And you can beat up bullies 'til they cry "Oh lah! Oh, crikey! Let go, you rotter! Don't punish me!"
When you're tough, you're very fit Your voice is rough, it sounds like grit You are so strong, and proud of it Thanks to Mr. Apollo
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows That a healthy body makes a healthy mind
You know! You know he's the Strongest man The world has ever seen And if you take his courses He'll make you big and rough
Uh huh, and uh, ha, you can kick the sand right back, in their faces! Kick! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
When you're tough, you're very fit Your voice is rough, it sounds like grit You are so strong, and proud of it Thanks to Mr. Apollo
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows That a healthy body makes a healthy mind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind Oh, yeah!
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows That a healthy body makes a healthy mind He can do it for you!
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows That a healthy body (oooh!) makes a healthy mind
Follow Mr. Apollo (He can do it for you!) Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows That a healthy body makes a healthy mind
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows He's the greatest benefactor of Mankind
Follow...
Yes, just give me ten years of your life, and I'll trade in that puny flab for living muscle.. Physique you deserve!
Strong! Chest and shoulders to hold your shirt!
Five years ago, I was a four stone apology Today, I am two separate gorillas
No tiresome exercises, no tricks, no unpleasant bending, Wrestle poodles and win!
Play beach ball! Shave your legs! Lope over walls! Tease people! Brush them aside as though they were matchsticks! Impress your friends!
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 21, 2008 7:34:34 GMT -5
Don't forget those preachers are in all religions, including the occult... Maharishi... Charles Manson... ROBERT DEGRIMSTON... etc How does the song go? "Follow, Mr. Apollo..." That's true, but with my upbringing, the typical church setting is always the 1st to come to mind. Don't forget our beloved dictator Bush. He never coulda stole those elections without the backing of all those church congregations. Good call on the Bonzo Dog Band song! Man has this gone OT! Reminds me of a quote from the famous Ms.V who said "there's not a thread out there that I can't veer hopelessly off-topic" (or something like that)
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Post by mommybird on Jun 21, 2008 14:00:23 GMT -5
I like it. I makes for a more interesting "conversation". ;D
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Post by blackbird on Jun 21, 2008 14:45:15 GMT -5
You guys are on a "roll" - very interesting. And it hasn't been "all that long" that, as the song goes. . . . . I FOUND OUT ! <kinda laughing> but at the same time it's so serious. It, Religion, is part of their deception . . . very hard one to overcome. Not that I went to church much; but maybe that's because deep in me my other part knew the truth. . . it just hadn't found it's way out.
The Religion part is to keep us from finding out who we "really" are. We are the ones in control, ACTUALLY, but they have taken our control away from us by using pretty stories.
Finally logic crept in. I really can't understand how we/"I" was kept locked into this part:
God loves us (which is TRUE of our Creator) and he will answer our prayers if we pray hard enough and long enough, because he loves us so much- if we don't get an answer, well that is our answer. But these people over here are bad and I, GOD, want Justice - you must go and kill them. And then this one about being saved and going to HELL. . . . that from a Loving God? Well being Baptized twice - that would surely do the trick. . . so I did.
I AM VERY SORRY IF MY COMMENTS HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE HERE - IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO DO THAT. THIS IS MY TRUTH ONLY. OTHERS HAVE THEIR OWN TRUTH AS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
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Post by pataphysical on Jun 21, 2008 17:23:44 GMT -5
I AM VERY SORRY IF MY COMMENTS HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE HERE - IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO DO THAT. THIS IS MY TRUTH ONLY. OTHERS HAVE THEIR OWN TRUTH AS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME. Consider yourself forgiven! My only quibble is with you calling opinion "truth". There is only one Truth but there are many opinions. For instance, we all have our opinions/ beliefs/theories/hypotheses on what has happened to Beatle Paul, but there is only one truth as to what really transpired. Often I get the impression that instead of striving for the truth, some of us are just trying to confirm our opinions/theories of what happened.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 22, 2008 21:53:54 GMT -5
OK, I can't resist posting this Negativland vid to their old track "Christianity is Stupid" youtube.com/watch?v=f5GmJjYB3mcAnd whatta ya know, my new hit single is called Wrestling Jesus. How'bout that..... It'll automatically start if ya go to my myspace page. www.myspace.com/eyesbleed
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Post by jguildersleeve on Jun 25, 2008 12:51:02 GMT -5
"look, we are all humans, and most of us have the same type of head, when you go and paste heads from other people on other pictures... then most of the time it's a match"
That is just flat-out false. Photographic evidence is hardly ever used in cases of identity theft because they are ultimately weak as evidence. Any photographer will tell you that the slightest change in angle and shade can dramatically alter the way someone looks in a picture. This is why there is industry of schooling based on how to best take pictures, what angles to use, what lights to use, etc, in order to make someone look as best they can - or make someone look unlike themselves. This is just basic knowledge. This is why you can find some pictures of Paul that look wildly different, and some pictures of Paul that look precisely the same as the OP has provided. But it's the reason why photographic evidence is worthless, and it's also why the PID movement seems to thrive on it.
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Post by Jacobthelema on Jun 25, 2008 14:22:37 GMT -5
"look, we are all humans, and most of us have the same type of head, when you go and paste heads from other people on other pictures... then most of the time it's a match" That is just flat-out false. Photographic evidence is hardly ever used in cases of identity theft because they are ultimately weak as evidence. Any photographer will tell you that the slightest change in angle and shade can dramatically alter the way someone looks in a picture. This is why there is industry of schooling based on how to best take pictures, what angles to use, what lights to use, etc, in order to make someone look as best they can - or make someone look unlike themselves. This is just basic knowledge. This is why you can find some pictures of Paul that look wildly different, and some pictures of Paul that look precisely the same as the OP has provided. But it's the reason why photographic evidence is worthless, and it's also why the PID movement seems to thrive on it. You make a very good point.
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