The Patron Saint of Lost Causes.

[plastic paul]

So I discovered as said in the title that Jude the Apostle, or, Saint Jude is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle

That got me thinking about the song "Hey Jude" and the lyrics and how they are so apt considering Jude the Apostle's title. However, this link has never been mentioned concerning the song.

Hey Jude, don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

Hey Jude, don't be afraid.
You were made to go out and get her.
The minute you let her under your skin,
Then you begin to make it better.

And anytime you feel the pain, hey Jude, refrain,
Don't carry the world upon your shoulders.
For well you know that it's a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder.

Hey Jude, don't let me down.
You have found her, now go and get her.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

So let it out and let it in, hey Jude, begin,
You're waiting for someone to perform with.
And don't you know that it's just you, hey Jude, you'll do,
The movement you need is on your shoulder.

Hey Jude, don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.
Remember to let her under your skin,
Then you'll begin to make it
Better better better better better better, oh.

Na na na, na na na na, na na na, hey Jude...

That's it really I just found it interesting and thought it was suitable for us considering that , it seems we are pursuing our own lost cause for the time being!!!

[iameye]

Jun 22, 2008 16:59:14 GMT -5 plastic paul said:

So I discovered as said in the title that Jude the Apostle, or, Saint Jude is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle

That got me thinking about the song "Hey Jude" and the lyrics and how they are so apt considering Jude the Apostle's title. However, this link has never been mentioned concerning the song.

Hey Jude, don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

Hey Jude, don't be afraid.
You were made to go out and get her.
The minute you let her under your skin,
Then you begin to make it better.

And anytime you feel the pain, hey Jude, refrain,
Don't carry the world upon your shoulders.
For well you know that it's a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder.

Hey Jude, don't let me down.
You have found her, now go and get her.
Remember to let her into your heart,
Then you can start to make it better.

So let it out and let it in, hey Jude, begin,
You're waiting for someone to perform with.
And don't you know that it's just you, hey Jude, you'll do,
The movement you need is on your shoulder.

Hey Jude, don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.
Remember to let her under your skin,
Then you'll begin to make it
Better better better better better better, oh.

Na na na, na na na na, na na na, hey Jude...

That's it really I just found it interesting and thought it was suitable for us considering that , it seems we are pursuing our own lost cause for the time being!!!

[plastic paul]

OMG someone replied!!!

;D







Where's that image from?

[iameye]

wiki

Jude and Thad are the same person.

St Jude also is associated with the constellation Aquarius, the water bearer.......rivers of ash, urns of gold.

what is a vessel but a shape? a wave, perhaps? is that why the urn is gold, and the stars are ash?


remind anyone of the fireman's ax? the holy grail?



ray's of what?

The "Selenus Style" or Garden Style is the most elegant classical chess style. These sets, had elegant lathe turned bases and shafts and tiers with circlets resembling crowns. Pieces were distinguished by heights, the number of tiers and sometimes by symbols. Sometimes called "Garden Sets" - their theme was of "formal flower gardens" - Kings and Queens were Fountains; Bishops and Pawns were flowers; Knights were gentle horses; and Rooks became civic towers in stead of battlements. In England they were called "Tulip Sets."



Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun.
If the sun don't come, you get a tan from
Standing in the English rain.



a tan in the rain? hasn't that line always bothered you?

tan, tangent, a point that touches a mathematical wavehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_space
the rain is in the garden, the source, the fountain.

tan/van
say it twice

The word "tangent" comes from the Latin tangere, meaning "to touch".

If the sun don't come. ;D




the water and the goat (AKA Aquarius)

[iameye]

as above:

Celestial Equator
The celestial equator is a great circle on the imaginary celestial sphere, in the same plane as the Earth's equator. In other words, it is a projection of the terrestrial equator out into space. As result of the Earth's axial tilt, the celestial equator is inclined by ~23.5° with respect to the ecliptic plane.
An observer standing on the Earth's equator visualizes the celestial equator as a semicircle passing directly overhead through the zenith. As the observer moves north (or south), the celestial equator tilts towards the southern (or northern) horizon. The celestial equator is defined to be infinitely distant (since it is on the celestial sphere); thus the observer always sees the ends of the semicircle disappear over the horizon exactly due east and due west, regardless of the observer's position on Earth. (At the poles, though, the celestial equator would be parallel to the horizon.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_equator



The stars γ, ζ, η, and π Aquarii compose an asterism called the Urn, representing Aquarius' watering pot. www.economicexpert.com/a/Aquarius.htm

SADACHBIA (Gamma Aquarii). Aquarius (the Waterman, or Water Bearer) mostly sprawls gently south of the celestial equator.SADACHBIA (Gamma Aquarii). Aquarius (the Waterman, or Water Bearer) mostly sprawls gently south of the celestial equator. It is focused upon the 4-star Water Jar (or Urn), a somewhat dim but very noticeable triangle that has a star smack in the middle, the Urn appearing like a "Y" or even as a small spray of diamonds that lies directly on the equator. Though at bright fourth magnitude (3.84), not quite the brightest star of the Urn, and ranking sixth in the constellation (after Sadalmelik, Sadalsuud, Delta, 88, and Zeta Aquarii, the latter also in the Urn), Sadachbia is one of two of the Urn's stars to be named (the other "Seat," Pi Aqr). The name harkens not to the Water Bearer, but to an older Arabic constellation, and seems to mean "the Lucky Star of the Tents," the Urn perhaps reminding the Arabs of a desert tent. The "Sa" prefix on the name relates obscurely to "luck" in the same way it does in Sadalmelik and Sadalsuud. Sadachbia is for the most part an ordinary hot class A (A0) star much like Vega and so many others that make our constellations. Lying 158 light years away, it radiates 62 times more light than the Sun from a 9500 Kelvin sphere three times the solar diameter. Theory and long observation of similar stars in double systems show it to be a hydrogen fusing main-sequence star with a mass just short of three times solar. Aside from its prominent location, Sadachbia has two qualities to recommend it. First, like so many of its stellar kin, it is a "spectroscopic double," one whose character can be determined only by examining the spectrum. A star of unknown type orbits Sadachbia every 58 days from a distance at least 0.40 astronomical units away, about the distance Mercury is from the Sun. Sadachbia also has a small 12th magnitude companion 37 seconds of arc away from it, but it is merely a line of sight coincidence. Of more significance, Sadachbia, like Kaus Australis (Epsilon Sagittarii), is a failed "Lambda Bootis" star. Lambda Bootis stars are otherwise normal stars near class A that have unusual deficiencies in heavy elements. No one really knows why. One theory is that during their extreme youth, these rare stars accreted interstellar matter that was itself highly deficient in heavy elements as a result of the condensation of such elements onto dust grains (which is an observational fact). Sadachbia was once considered such a star, but later investigations showed instead that the chemical composition was more or less normal.


The star Sadachbia (Scientific Name Gamma Aquarii) is located at right ascension 22h 21.657m and declination -1° 23.233'.
Sadachbia is a relatively dim star with a magnitude of 3.84. The spectral class of this star is A0V.


Gamma Aquarii is Sadachbia, from sa'd al-akhbiya, possibly meaning ‘lucky stars of the tents'. The exact significance of these names has been lost even by the Arabs, according to the German expert on star names, Paul Kunitzsch.


Alpha Aquarii ("Sadalmelik") and beta Aquarii ("Sadalsuud") are twin supergiants with nearly identical names. The names mean, respectively, "The Lucky One of the King" and "The Luckiest of the Lucky".



At the Water Jar's center is Zeta Aquarii, which rather curiously carries no proper name, even though many others throughout the constellation have them. Zeta almost exactly rides the celestial equator, and is notably closer than the bright "equator star" Mintaka

[iameye]

The king of Marigold was in the kitchen
Cooking breakfast for the queen
The queen was in the parlour
Playing piano for the children of the king.

cry baby cry
make you're mother psi

marigold
mar y gold
mer d'gold
urn of gold

the family Asteraceae or Compositae (known as the aster, daisy, or sunflower family) is the largest family of flowering plants, in terms of number of species.

The name Aster comes from the Ancient Greek word astron, meaning "star", arriving through the Latin word astrum with the same meaning, referring to the shape of the flower head. Many species and a variety of hybrids and varieties are popular as garden plants because of their attractive and colourful flowers. Aster species are used as food plants by the larvae of a number of Lepidoptera speciesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aster_%28genus%29


The name 'Asteraceae' is derived from the type genus Aster, while 'Compositae', an older but still valid[3] name, means composite and refers to the characteristic inflorescence, a special type of pseudanthium found in only a few other angiosperm families. The study of this family is known as synantherology.
According to the Royal Botanical Gardens of Kew the family comprises more than 1,600 genera and 23,000 species. The largest genera are Senecio (1,500 species), Vernonia (1,000 species), Cousinia (600 species), Centaurea (600 species).

[iameye]

the grail rests over Bartholomew's head....

Bartholomew means "son of the furrow," or a plowman in literal Hebrew. Bartholomew was not the saint's given name, but it comes from the father's name, Tholomew or Tolmai. "Bar" meaning (in Hebrew) "son of.

the chalice, the urn, is the wave. There is nothing inside but form that osculates in directions.

"St. Bartholomew is portrayed holding a tanner's knife, the same type knife that was used to flay him. This became his emblem. He is often shown with his own hide draped over his arm...a gruesome depiction, but a reminder of his fate at the hands of the Armenians."

Bartholomew was one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus. Bartholomew (Greek: Βαρθολομαίος, transliterated "Bartholomaios") comes from the Aramaic bar-Tôlmay (תולמי‎‎‎‎‎-בר‎‎), meaning son of Tolmay (Ptolemy) or son of the furrows (perhaps a ploughman). Many have, based on this meaning, assumed it was not a given name, but a family name.[1]


a family name?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy

Related is the Aramaic name Bar Talmai (Son of Ptolemy), which led to the names Bartolomeo (Italian) and Bartholomew (English) among others.[3] Thus the name Ptolemy spread from its Greek origins to enter other languages in the Middle and Near East during the Hellenisation that followed the conquest of the known world by Alexander the Great.
The feminine name Ptolemais is constructed from similar roots.

and what about

Polonius


Main Entry:
Po·lo·ni·us
Pronunciation:
\pə-ˈlō-nē-əs\
Function:
noun
Date:
circa 1601
: a garrulous courtier and father of Ophelia and Laertes in Shakespeare's Hamlet

man of famous last quotes by Shakespeare?

Lord Polonius:

My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is't but to be nothing else but mad?




and
Ptolemy (mythological) (12th century BC) - mythical ruler of the ancient Greek city of Thebes.

[plastic paul]

Err, I'm aware of the name link, but just wanted a source for that picture and have it's relevance explained as I don't pick up on symbolism all that well!

Though I am fascinated at how you manage to put all this information together so quickly!

[iameye]

you made a connection to the actual St Jude. aka thaddeus........seen with hatchet on mosaic

"Occasionally he is represented holding an axe or halberd, as he was brought to death by one of these weapons. In some instances he may be shown with a scroll or a book (the Epistle of Jude) or holding a carpenter's rule."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle

which let to a ride to the lennon mosaic, see the chalice(s)? true to davinci's, lol John



"At Verocchio studio, Da Vinci excelled at all forms of the arts and learning. It is not surprising that in this studio Da Vinci would create a wonderful silver Chalice that incorporated a theme that was dear to his heart, one that followed him through his entire career. Simply put... this concept was the flow and movement of water and air.

This theme was the foundation of many of his works. Examples are found in the Codex Leicester (see note) and in many drawings, paintings, and sculptures. The same motif was incorporated in this chalice." www.thedavincichalice.com/



Words are flying out like endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe

Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

[iameye]

"Is that the motor?"

"can't you tell one when you see one?"

youtube.com/watch?v=CHJvh3jaxeM&feature=related
@ 6:20

[Doc]

Jun 24, 2008 17:16:05 GMT -5 iameye said:

the grail rests over Bartholomew's head....

Bartholomew means "son of the furrow," or a plowman in literal Hebrew. Bartholomew was not the saint's given name, but it comes from the father's name, Tholomew or Tolmai. "Bar" meaning (in Hebrew) "son of.

the chalice, the urn, is the wave. There is nothing inside but form that osculates in directions.

"St. Bartholomew is portrayed holding a tanner's knife, the same type knife that was used to flay him. This became his emblem. He is often shown with his own hide draped over his arm...a gruesome depiction, but a reminder of his fate at the hands of the Armenians."

Bartholomew was one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus. Bartholomew (Greek: Βαρθολομαίος, transliterated "Bartholomaios") comes from the Aramaic bar-Tôlmay (תולמי‎‎‎‎‎-בר‎‎), meaning son of Tolmay (Ptolemy) or son of the furrows (perhaps a ploughman). Many have, based on this meaning, assumed it was not a given name, but a family name.[1]


a family name?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy

Related is the Aramaic name Bar Talmai (Son of Ptolemy), which led to the names Bartolomeo (Italian) and Bartholomew (English) among others.[3] Thus the name Ptolemy spread from its Greek origins to enter other languages in the Middle and Near East during the Hellenisation that followed the conquest of the known world by Alexander the Great.
The feminine name Ptolemais is constructed from similar roots.

and what about

Polonius


Main Entry:
Po·lo·ni·us
Pronunciation:
\pə-ˈlō-nē-əs\
Function:
noun
Date:
circa 1601
: a garrulous courtier and father of Ophelia and Laertes in Shakespeare's Hamlet

man of famous last quotes by Shakespeare?

Lord Polonius:

My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is't but to be nothing else but mad?




and
Ptolemy (mythological) (12th century BC) - mythical ruler of the ancient Greek city of Thebes.

Good.

Ok, you're brilliant? Yes? Hello? Yes, you are.

So, and I think, my own private opinion, is, that, like, God is the one who told you (or "connived you", God'll do that) into writing these posts and putting them up in here.'
He's like that. He found your brain and knew that you was the one. And it's all good. The posts. They're terrific. I am not really sure why, but it just dawned on me (like when I knew that they were going to bring back "Futurama" before anyone had announced it)
that this is all on purpose. You are part of a beautiful, well designed stream of posting events intended for just these very boards. All for a reason.


And then I heard one of you say, "Huh? Really?mmmmmmmm--ok. Then, Doc, smarty pants, what's the purpose? What's God say that it's all for?"





My honest answer? I have NO idea. But it's still interestin', ain't it?

[iameye]

thanks doc, I think Reason? we don't need a stinkin' reason.

Jeremy Hillary Boob, PhD

was the one who fixed the motor, the nowhere man who went somewhere. And it was he that was shown the backwards groove

Perhaps he is whispering in my other ear ;D

ps

God says Hi! and Thanks!

[Doc]

Jun 25, 2008 12:22:46 GMT -5 iameye said:

thanks doc, I think Reason? we don't need a stinkin' reason.

Jeremy Hillary Boob, PhD

was the one who fixed the motor, the nowhere man who went somewhere. And it was he that was shown the backwards groove

Perhaps he is whispering in my other ear ;D

ps

God says Hi! and Thanks!

Jeremy!

"Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo.
So little time — so much to know!"
George: Do you speak English?
Jeremy: Old English, Middle, a dialect pure ...
Paul: Well, do you speak English?
Jeremy: You know, I'm not sure!
Ringo: He's so smart he doesn't even remember what he knows.
Paul: Hey, fellers, look!
Jeremy: The footnotes for my nineteenth book. This is my standard procedure for doing it. And while I compose it, I'm also reviewing it!
Jeremy:"If I spoke prose you'd all find out
I don't know what I talk about."
Ringo: Jeremy! Can it be you?
Jeremy: Can it be me? I think you'd better inquire of the guard,
For when I was captured, they took all my cards.
(When preparing to cover the Blue Meanies Chief with flowers.) "Where ground is soft, where often grows Arise, arouse, arose a ... a rosy nose?"

from:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hilary_Boob

Jeremy is from Jeremiah, or Hebrew Yermeyahu

www.hebrewletters.com/item.cfm?itemid=3226

Yermeyahu means "God will raise up" or "lift up" from the old Hebrew.........

[iameye]

sounds appropriate doc, when you consider Edmond Hillary: one of the first climbers known to have reached the summit of Mount Everest, boob can take on a few meanings......and they pronounce PhD "food" ;D

"Where ground is soft, where often grows Arise, arouse, arose a ... a rosy nose?"

Jeremy spoke in.......

[iameye]

Jun 24, 2008 18:08:52 GMT -5 iameye said:

you made a connection to the actual St Jude. aka thaddeus........seen with hatchet on mosaic

"Occasionally he is represented holding an axe or halberd, as he was brought to death by one of these weapons. In some instances he may be shown with a scroll or a book (the Epistle of Jude) or holding a carpenter's rule."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle

which let to a ride to the lennon mosaic, see the chalice(s)? true to davinci's, lol John



"At Verocchio studio, Da Vinci excelled at all forms of the arts and learning. It is not surprising that in this studio Da Vinci would create a wonderful silver Chalice that incorporated a theme that was dear to his heart, one that followed him through his entire career. Simply put... this concept was the flow and movement of water and air.

This theme was the foundation of many of his works. Examples are found in the Codex Leicester (see note) and in many drawings, paintings, and sculptures. The same motif was incorporated in this chalice." www.thedavincichalice.com/



Words are flying out like endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe

Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Bright light inhibits melatonin production by inhibiting nerve tone to the pineal, whereas darkness has the opposite effect and, by increasing neural activity to the gland, stimulates the production of melatonin. This effect of light is dependent both upon its wavelength and its intensity.
In 1973, Cardinali et al showed that red light produced minimal inhibition of melatonin synthesis, whereas green light caused maximal stimulation. In addition, illumination with a light intensity of 0.5 microwatt/cm2 for forty-eight hours produced a fifty per cent decrease in melatonin synthesis in the rat pineal gland.
By way of comparison, sunlight, which strongly inhibits melatonin production, has an intensity of around 50,000 microwatt/cm2, whereas full moonlight has an intensity of around 0.3 microwatt/cm2. (Altschule, 1975).
Because of its low light intensity, the moon was originally thought to have no effect on the production of melatonin by the pineal gland. However, as we discuss below, more recent studies have produced results that suggest there may be some link between lunar phase and the secretion of melatonin (Law, 1986).http://www.astrology-research.net/researchlibrary/Iatr/pineal.htm



Gort is a fictional robot in the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still, played by 7'7" tall actor Lock Martin. He is famous in part due to the phrase "Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!" from that movie, a favorite bit of trivia for film buffs.

Gort is loosely based on Gnut, the robot protagonist of "Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates, the original short story upon which the movie is based.
On screen, Gort is a large "seamless" robot that appears to be constructed from a single piece of "flexible metal".

Book version: The story is told from the viewpoint of Cliff Sutherland, a free-lance picture reporter, who is present when a mysterious "curving ovoid" ship instantaneously appears on the grounds of the United States Capitol in Washington D.C. Two days later, "visitors from the Unknown" emerge: a "god-like" person in human form and an eight-foot robot made of green metal. The former is shot and killed by a lunatic after only managing to say in English, "I am Klaatu and this is Gnut." Klaatu is buried nearby. Gnut remains motionless, while laboratories and a museum are built around it and the ship. Both prove impervious to the investigations of frustrated scientists.

Sutherland discovers that the robot enters the ship each night when no one is watching, emerging to resume his position for the day. Gnut is aware of the reporter, but ignores him. After several odd encounters, Sutherland informs the world what he has learned. Gnut is encased in "glasstex", finally forcing the robot's hand. It breaks out, unaffected by all attempts to destroy it, picks up Sutherland and travels to the mausoleum containing Klaatu's corpse. It opens the tomb and takes a recording of Klaatu's voice stored there. It then returns and goes inside the ship.

Sutherland daringly boards the ship before the entrance closes and learns the reasons behind Gnut's behavior. The robot is working on a way to create a copy of Klaatu just from an audio recording of his greeting. However, the new Klaatu is flawed because the recording is imperfect, and he dies soon after speaking with the reporter. Sutherland then suggests retrieving the original recording device and, by studying it, figure out how to compensate for its imperfections; Gnut eagerly takes up this idea. Sutherland sees to it that the equipment is brought to it.
Then, when he somehow senses that the robot is ready to depart, Sutherland impresses upon it the need to tell its masters that Klaatu's death was an accident, leading to a surprise ending. Gnut explains, "You misunderstand, I am the master."

In the original short story it becomes clear at the end that Gnut, not Klaatu, is the master. In the film, the relationship between the robot and the humanoid is less clearly defined, although Klaatu does at one point describe Gort as being part of an interstellar police force "to patrol the planets… and preserve the peace." He also claims that "There's no limit to what [Gort] could do. He could destroy the Earth."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_to_the_Master

[iameye]

Jun 24, 2008 15:10:16 GMT -5 iameye said:

as above:

Celestial Equator
The celestial equator is a great circle on the imaginary celestial sphere, in the same plane as the Earth's equator. In other words, it is a projection of the terrestrial equator out into space. As result of the Earth's axial tilt, the celestial equator is inclined by ~23.5° with respect to the ecliptic plane.
An observer standing on the Earth's equator visualizes the celestial equator as a semicircle passing directly overhead through the zenith. As the observer moves north (or south), the celestial equator tilts towards the southern (or northern) horizon. The celestial equator is defined to be infinitely distant (since it is on the celestial sphere); thus the observer always sees the ends of the semicircle disappear over the horizon exactly due east and due west, regardless of the observer's position on Earth. (At the poles, though, the celestial equator would be parallel to the horizon.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_equator



The stars γ, ζ, η, and π Aquarii compose an asterism called the Urn, representing Aquarius' watering pot. www.economicexpert.com/a/Aquarius.htm

SADACHBIA (Gamma Aquarii). Aquarius (the Waterman, or Water Bearer) mostly sprawls gently south of the celestial equator.SADACHBIA (Gamma Aquarii). Aquarius (the Waterman, or Water Bearer) mostly sprawls gently south of the celestial equator. It is focused upon the 4-star Water Jar (or Urn), a somewhat dim but very noticeable triangle that has a star smack in the middle, the Urn appearing like a "Y" or even as a small spray of diamonds that lies directly on the equator. Though at bright fourth magnitude (3.84), not quite the brightest star of the Urn, and ranking sixth in the constellation (after Sadalmelik, Sadalsuud, Delta, 88, and Zeta Aquarii, the latter also in the Urn), Sadachbia is one of two of the Urn's stars to be named (the other "Seat," Pi Aqr). The name harkens not to the Water Bearer, but to an older Arabic constellation, and seems to mean "the Lucky Star of the Tents," the Urn perhaps reminding the Arabs of a desert tent. The "Sa" prefix on the name relates obscurely to "luck" in the same way it does in Sadalmelik and Sadalsuud. Sadachbia is for the most part an ordinary hot class A (A0) star much like Vega and so many others that make our constellations. Lying 158 light years away, it radiates 62 times more light than the Sun from a 9500 Kelvin sphere three times the solar diameter. Theory and long observation of similar stars in double systems show it to be a hydrogen fusing main-sequence star with a mass just short of three times solar. Aside from its prominent location, Sadachbia has two qualities to recommend it. First, like so many of its stellar kin, it is a "spectroscopic double," one whose character can be determined only by examining the spectrum. A star of unknown type orbits Sadachbia every 58 days from a distance at least 0.40 astronomical units away, about the distance Mercury is from the Sun. Sadachbia also has a small 12th magnitude companion 37 seconds of arc away from it, but it is merely a line of sight coincidence. Of more significance, Sadachbia, like Kaus Australis (Epsilon Sagittarii), is a failed "Lambda Bootis" star. Lambda Bootis stars are otherwise normal stars near class A that have unusual deficiencies in heavy elements. No one really knows why. One theory is that during their extreme youth, these rare stars accreted interstellar matter that was itself highly deficient in heavy elements as a result of the condensation of such elements onto dust grains (which is an observational fact). Sadachbia was once considered such a star, but later investigations showed instead that the chemical composition was more or less normal.


The star Sadachbia (Scientific Name Gamma Aquarii) is located at right ascension 22h 21.657m and declination -1° 23.233'.
Sadachbia is a relatively dim star with a magnitude of 3.84. The spectral class of this star is A0V.


Gamma Aquarii is Sadachbia, from sa'd al-akhbiya, possibly meaning ‘lucky stars of the tents'. The exact significance of these names has been lost even by the Arabs, according to the German expert on star names, Paul Kunitzsch.


Alpha Aquarii ("Sadalmelik") and beta Aquarii ("Sadalsuud") are twin supergiants with nearly identical names. The names mean, respectively, "The Lucky One of the King" and "The Luckiest of the Lucky".



At the Water Jar's center is Zeta Aquarii, which rather curiously carries no proper name, even though many others throughout the constellation have them. Zeta almost exactly rides the celestial equator, and is notably closer than the bright "equator star" Mintaka

What is flowing?




Eridanus (IPA: [ɪˈɹɪdənəs]), the ancient Greek name for the Po River, is the sixth largest of the 88 modern constellations. It was also one of Ptolemy's 48 constellations and is associated mythologically with Phaëton.


The Eridanus Supervoid
The Eridanus Supervoid is the largest supervoid discovered to date (August 2007). At a diameter of about one billion light years it is much larger than any other known void (absence of galaxies) in the universe, and represents a challenge for current theories of the origins of the universe to explain. It was discovered by linking a 'cold spot' in the cosmic microwave background to an absence of radio galaxies in data of the US National Radio Astronomy Observatory's Very Large Array Sky Survey.[1] There are also suggestions that the void may due to Quantum entanglement between our universe and a Parallel universe.




en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridanus_(constellation)

Well I used to smile when I was a pup
Sailing down the nile in china cup
With the recipe for a lovely day
Sticking out my back pocket

Mythology

Eridanus is associated with two Greek myths, both likely to be derived from the shape of the constellation — that of a very twisty path. Eridanus was sometimes considered to be a river which flowed from the waters of Aquarius, and in such situations, Aquarius was considered to face Eridanus (requiring a change of angle, and this required the redesigning of how the stars of Aquarius connect, so that the water poured onto the same side as Eridanus).


Eridanus is a southern constellation and doesnt fit with this particular myth. Some even think it refers to the Nile, such references as Eratoshenes, Germanicus and Hyginus all refer to Nilus in this area of the sky.

Tthe Euphrates may be a better fit, both rivers are similiar, in that they wind and both have 2 major branches in them, both rivers have references to connecting heaven and hell. In ancient times, the Nile was known as Ioma, or Iauma, the Sea, whereas the Euphrates was known as Pura, or Purat, the River.

To the Arabs, the constellation was associated with Nar, or Nahar, which translated to the Nile www.astronomical.org/portal/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=36

just for fun:
Source text: 2000-Chomarat-facsimile
Dans Fois entrez Roy ceiulee Turbao,
Et regnera moins reuolu Saturne,
Roy Turban blanc Bizance coeur ban,
Sol,Mars,Mercure pres la hurne.

Translation (Van Berkel, 2002)
The Blue Turban King entered into Foix
And he will reign less than a rotation of Saturn.
The White Turban King Byzantium heart banished,
Sun, Mars and Mercury near the urn.

www.nostradamusresearch.org/en/quatr/09-73.htm

Van Berkel categorizes this quatrain as a horary chart quatrain.
In the quatrains 06-52, 09-73 and 10-50, Nostradamus writes about the "Urn". This is the name of a constellation, but this name does not occur in the lists of constellations, compiled by for example Ptolemy or Roussat. The answer to the question which constellation is at stake, is contained in quatrain 09-73.
In 1594, De Chavigny, Nostradamus' secretary, published comments on the Présages, the monthly political predictions of Nostradamus. In the Présage for June 1555, the first line reads: Far near the Urn the wicked one turns backwards. De Chavigny thought there was a correspondence between this line and quatrain 06-02. In the first line of that quatrain, Nostradamus wrote: The year 580 more or less... According to De Chavigny, Nostradamus referred to the period 1580-1581, in which Saturn (Saturn is in astrology a "malefic", an evil planet) was moving through the sign of Aquarius. This sign often is depicted as a human being, pouring water from a jar. According to De Chavigny, the name "urn" is synonymous with Aquarius. Quatrain 06-02 would deal with the period around 1585 AD, for France a troublesome time.
This interpretation is wrong. Nostradamus wrote the Présages as being predictions for actual months, not as being predictions that would be fulfilled after - in this case - 30 years. The first line of the Présage for June 1555 deals with June 1555, not with another month.
In June 1555, Saturn was not in Aquarius, but in Aries. Mars, in astrology the other "wicked one", was on the 23rd degree of Virgo, conjunct the Fixed Star Labrum on the 21st degree of Virgo. This Star is one of the stars of the constellation Crater, a Greek/Latin name that means "cup" or "oil jar". This constellation was listed by Ptolemy and Roussat.[1] In Nostradamus' lifetime, the constellation Crater was located between the 8th and the 25th degree of Virgo.
In the first line of quatrain 09-73, it reads that Sun, Mars and Mercury are close to the urn. This means that they are close to the 8th degree of Virgo, the beginning of the constellation Crater.
In the investigation on which Nostradamus, astrology and the Bible is based, is concluded that the zodiacal positions of the planets in the quatrains occurred between October 16, 1524, and October 11, 1553. In this period, which is called the "imagination period", only once a conjunction occurred of Sun, Mars and Mercury close to the beginning of the constellation Crater. This was on August 18, 1530. The Sun was on the 4th degree of Virgo, Mars on the 5th degree and Mercury, retrograde, on the 6th degree. In the investigation, it is concluded that quatrain 09-73 was written around August 18, 1530 and will be fulfilled on October 4, 2006, Gregorian calendar.
In the fourth line of quatrain 06-52, it reads: the Sun in the Urn. This refers to the moving of the Sun through the zodiacal degrees of the constellation Crater (the 8th until the 25th degree of Virgo). This clue does not reveal the year in which this quatrain is written, but it does reveal that writing occurred during August 22 and September 12 in one of the years between 1525 and 1553.
In the second line of quatrain 10-50, it reads: will discover Saturn and three in the Urn. This clue is too insufficient to determine when this quatrain was written.

Brind'Amour and Leoni note that the words "the Urn" refer to a position of Saturn in Aquarius. They do not refer to De Chavigny

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back to jude, aquarius: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius_(constellation)The best-known myth identifies Aquarius with Ganymede, a beautiful youth with whom Zeus fell in love, and whom he (in the disguise of an eagle, represented as the constellation Aquila) carried off to Olympus to be cup bearer to the gods. Crater is sometimes identified as his cup.
Aquarius generally resembles the figure of a man, and when considering fainter humanly visible stars, it takes on the image of a man with a bucket from which is pouring a stream. Aquarius was also identified as the pourer of the waters which flooded the earth in the Great Flood, in the ancient Greek version of the myth. As such, the constellation Eridanus was sometimes identified as being a river poured out by Aquarius.

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the trophy is # 79, the atomic weight of gold.





Letter L, the crook. LOL

more from Nostradamus:



The Scythe within the Pond, moving retrograde,
At the high point of its culmination,
... the Age approaches its renewal.

In the constellation Aquarius, the “Pond” is the area beneath the Water Bearer’s overturned vessel (called the “Urn”) through which an imaginary stream of water is falling. This region of the constellation has been variously described as by astrologers through the ages as the “Pond”, the “Urn”, and the “Water”, and Nostradamus employs all three of these names in the Centuries. Located just below the Pond is the constellation Piscis Australis, the Southern Fish, which seems to be swallowing the whole stream of water issuing from the Urn of Aquarius through its “mouth”, marked by the star Fomalhaut (which in Arabic literally means “Fish’s Mouth”). Now, the Southern Fish has a special symbolic link to the Papacy, since sacred lore has identified this constellation with the fish which was caught by St. Peter with a coin in its mouth. Christ commanded Peter to cast for this fish when Peter asked how the Apostles could obtain money to pay the Roman taxes.

The verses quoted above speak of the Pond being “at the high point of its culmination” during this time. What does this mean? Astronomers divide the night sky with an imaginary line, called the “meridian”, which runs from due North to due South. When a star or planet crosses this imaginary line just before midnight, it is said to “culminate”, because then it's most prominent and in the best position for observation. The Pond and the Southern Fish culminate during October and November each year.http://apokalypso.com/Ch1_Fall-of-Papacy.htm




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interesting read