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Post by B on Aug 3, 2008 11:54:39 GMT -5
What does everybody think about Grandfather Aleister's latest video? Paul is Dead - 30 - We All Shine On #2www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRYV8W70PII am intrigued by the notion that the Paul Is Dead story could have been purposefully incorporated into THE SHINING and ROSEMARY'S BABY, with the VW Beetle signifying both the Beatles and the sun (or light per se). I had never understood why the scene shown at about 04:03 of someone in a mask performing felatio on someone who resembles George Bush Sr. was included in THE SHINING, but if it was meant to tie in with the animal figures on Magical Mystery Tour, because Kubrick was incorporating the PID story into his version of THE SHINING, then it would make some sense. And symbolicly we have Faul (?) servicing the powers-that-be. It is noteworthy that THE SHINING came out in about 1980, when Bush Sr. was head of the CIA, and then VICE president. Meanwhile "the return of the son" (the kid in THE SHINING) would be Paul, re-incarnated, telling his Mom (WENDY - cough - in the movie) that he had been murdered. See also: The Return of the Sonwww.youtube.com/watch?v=dBoCPFrpl_Uand Paul is Dead - 2 - We All Shine Onwww.youtube.com/watch?v=uTFoXN8yXo8The scene from A CLOCKWORK ORANGE shown at about 01:40 in the last video listed above shows the Beetle being run off the road. In other words, Paul was run off the road by hooligans, we could take it to mean, and The Beatles/The Sun (the light in the world) was darkened. Could all of Kubrick's recent movies, including 2001 and Eyes Wide Shut, have been about the cosmic implications of PID, and darkness crushing the light? Could they also have been about the light returning into the world in spite of repeated attempts to squelch it? Just what was shining so brightly at Shea Stadium way back when? The discussion of the movie "Come Together" by Tafultong at his blog tells the the tale yet again. iamaphoney.blogspot.com/Paul (representing the light & The Beatles) were forced off the road, and into the abyss. Iamaphoney's last videos featured a burned post with nails on it. The skinny character we refer to as Iamaphoney comes back to have a look at it. Perhaps to revisit it. I hate to be so blatant, but Christ was said to have been crucified on "a tree", and books have been written saying there never was such a figure, but my contention is they may have been looking in the wrong place, in the wrong century, for the wrong post. Clearly Paul, in the play, if you will, played the role of Christ and light. The Beatles collectively represented "the sun" as does Nicholson's yellow Beetle, perhaps. When the powers-that-be saw what happened at Shea, they felt threatened, and felt the need to extinguish it, it would seem. They didn't like him, the fool. "Come Together" over me. (refresher course: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQLD59fK_Iw )
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Post by B on Aug 3, 2008 12:33:32 GMT -5
Also worth mentioning: In THE SHINING, Jack Nicholson, the driver of the Beetle (the Beatles) loses his sanity. I have pointed out, ad nauseum, the "descent into madness" at the end of the song "Anyway" in Faul's Chaos & Creation (etc.), and the apparent fact that the fellow in the song "Mr. Bellamy" is a mental patient. Could it be that Paul, having possibly been 'fired' from the Beatles, lost his mind, and became "a bad apple"? Is that an "Mc" I see in that apple? There's no question he was using the Zodiak symbol. Could he have become a murderer, in his deranged state? (Like Jack Nicholson in THE SHINING?) Others have pointed out that the alledged Zodiak killer looks a bit like Mal Evans. Mal Evans supposedly teamed up with Faul to write some of the Sgt. Pepper album. Could Mal have been responsible for Paul's death? Did they want Paul out of the way because he was nuts, and they wanted to hide it? I don't think so! That is to say, I think that Mal and Faul may have wanted Paul hidden away, because he was insane, but I don't think Mal had Paul killed. Did Faul attempt to have Paul killed? If the contempt Iaap has for Faul has any basis in fact, then maybe. Was Mal a co-conspirator? I don't know. If Faul compares in appearance to the Zodiak killer, might not Paul, as well? In any case, the story seems to be that Paul went from being in the light to becoming dark. Turning from good to evil, then being institutionalized, and then 'dying' figuratively or literally. hello Mrs. Torrance....www.dpw.state.pa.us/PartnersProviders/MentalHealthSubstanceAbuse/StateHospitals/003670160.htm
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Post by iameye on Aug 3, 2008 14:23:08 GMT -5
THE CHARIOT Basic Card Symbols
Triumphal "car" (chariot), armored warrior, sun/moon symbols, lingam & yoni symbol (the encircled rod on the winged shield), black and white sphinxes/lions/horses, sometimes at rest. A canopy of stars and sometimes a throne inside the car.
Basic Tarot Story
The Fool is close to completing what he set out to create long ago, back when the Magician revealed those tools to him. But enemies are now standing in his way, devious human enemies, bad circumstances, even confusion in his own mind. There's no more forward momentum; he feels he is fighting just to stay where he is. Walking along the shore, watching the waves come in, he puzzles over how to defeat these enemies and get things moving forward once again.
It is here that he comes across a charioteer, standing in his gold and silver chariot, his black and white steeds at rest. "You seem a victorious warrior," the Fool remarks. "Tell me, what is the best way to defeat an enemy?" The Charioteer nods out at the ocean. "Have you ever been swimming in the water and been trapped in that tide which pulls you out to sea? If you try to swim forward, head-on, you go nowhere. You swim forward, the tide pulls you back and, if you tire yourself out, you drown. The only way to win without sapping all your energy is to swim parallel to shore, and come in slowly, diagonally. So, too, when fighting in a chariot. You win by coming up alongside that which you wish to defeat." The warrior nods to his beasts. "Your steeds keep the wheels turning, but it is your control and direction that brings victory. Dark and light, they must be made to draw in harmony, under your guidance."
The Fool is impressed and inspired. He thinks he now knows how to win his own war. He thanks the warrior, but before he leaves, the warrior stays the Fool, "One thing more," he says, "no victory can be won unless you have unwavering confidence in your cause. And remember this above all, victory is not the end, it is the beginning."
Basic Tarot Meaning
The chariot is one of the most complex cards to define. On its most basic level, it implies war, a struggle, and an eventual, hard-won victory; either over enemies, obstacles, nature, the beasts inside you, or to just get what you want. But there is a great deal more to it. The charioteer wears emblems of the sun, yet the sign behind this card is Cancer, the moon. The chariot is all about motion, and yet it is often shown as stationary.
What does this all mean? It means a union of opposites, like the black and white steeds. They pull in different directions, but must be (and can be!) made to go together in one direction. Control is required over opposing emotions, wants, needs, people, or circumstances; to bring them together and give them a single direction, your direction. Confidence is also needed and, most especially, motivation. The card can, in fact, indicate new motivation or inspiration, which gets a stagnant situation moving again. It can also imply, on a more pragmatic level, a trip (usually by car), a vehicle - in the shop for repairs if the card comes up reversed - or a message.
Thirteen's Observations
The Chariot is a fascinating card, but also frustrating. Like the crab, it is armored, but also cut off - a charioteer fights alone. It moves from one plane to the next (water to land and back again) - conscious and unconscious, Earthly and spiritual. It succeeds by attacking from the side, rather than straight on.
On the one hand, the Chariot indicates loyalty and faith and motivation; a conviction that will lead to victory no matter the odds. But the chariot can also signal a ruthless, diehard desire to win at any cost. The Querent should be reminded to save his energy for what comes after. Victory is just the start of things. [/i]
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Post by B on Aug 4, 2008 13:07:32 GMT -5
Very on-target interpretation of The Chariot, Iameye. The swimming reference also fits nicely. I have been giving a lot of thought to the term "the fireman". If Paul represents the sun (a firey place to be sure), then he is the "sun man", but a more horrible interpretation keeps crossing my mind. The post shown in the Rotten Apple videos is burned. I have an uncomfortable sense that someone was burned at the stake there. There are burning sounds in Revolution 9 as well. Look again at grandfather aleister's recent video: Paul is Dead - 29 - Mal's Magic Murder #3Mal Magic Harp #3 was Mal's Magic RedruM www.youtube.com/watch?v=antt_T3rbwgand 10 - I am Lazarus come from the deadwww.youtube.com/watch?v=ATTSEcR-B1cHe seems to be clearly suggesting that Mal may have been murdered because he knew too much. He also seems to imply that Mal may have been a murderer, and possibly the Zodiak killer. What is the meaning of Shane's album FIRE EXIT ? Did someone "exit" the planet in a fire? Was the "down under" singer of "St. Paul" suggesting here that Paul exited this life in an immolation? (Or even someone else?) Or is the meaning simply that the "holy fire" departed the planet, leaving us all in a state of darkness? All of this is quite troubling. Btw, if anyone has a better image of the Shane album, please post it.
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Post by iameye on Aug 4, 2008 17:16:21 GMT -5
Thanks B...I think there's even more going on with the chariot symbol than meets the eye.....but what I'm not 100% positive . yet , ok, 'cus I know Nothing the beetle held the sun with it's pincers, Apollo drove the silver chariot, sorta ( in joke) the Sun floated in the barge on the Nile....all, contained in one vehicle, personified, heh, by the love bug. VW. AG. Standing still in time but not. But in all three stories, the sun needed the vehicle, the chariot. And something else... second time around a few thoughts recently: during a solar eclipse there are two points when you see the "diamond" ring www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2008/index.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Ring_effect_(Solar_Eclipse)The diamond ring (Lucy in the sky with Diamonds) effect is a feature of total solar eclipses. Just before the sun disappears or just after it emerges from behind the moon, the rugged lunar limb topography allows beads of sunlight to shine through. where's the bus? red Drum re drum Sail the ship, Jump the tree
Skip the rope, Look at me
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Post by B on Aug 4, 2008 20:49:52 GMT -5
"...'cus I know Nothing "I never said you know Nothing. Just that you give Nothing away.
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Post by iameye on Aug 5, 2008 8:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Aug 5, 2008 13:00:22 GMT -5
I disagree, B. I posted this here as it nicely ties in with with the eclipse /sun , the eight (arm) radiant sun symbol as well as the chariot theme.....when there was a solar eclipse, the ancients were able to view the "cornea" of the sun and equally importantly the visual radiation of energy the sun produces (and absorbs). Stars are visible in daylight, and sunset colors paint the backround. How cool.
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Post by horseloverphat on Aug 8, 2008 11:17:24 GMT -5
the apollo connection the mmt connection. (supposedly Horace Derwent from the book, some say?) Nearer the end of the film....there is also an image of a VW beetle crushed under a lorry during the snow storms...fwiw. here's that picture of the crushed beetle....sorry is not very clear. So that's Red Beetle and Yellow Beetle....colour combo. So we could really stretch the idea to this.... The combo's of red & yellow in the movie 'The Shining' are legion. Have a look see at this page...someone with a lot of time on their hands....too much probably!!!! (a good resource though and of some interest) jonnys53.blogspot.com/2007/06/what-you-may-or-may-not-have-seen.html
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Post by B on Aug 8, 2008 12:44:14 GMT -5
Great post, horseloverphat. Fascinating link! Thanks for posting the pictures too.
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Post by iameye on Aug 8, 2008 13:08:55 GMT -5
"The description of the Divine Throne-Chariot depicts the appearance and movement of the Merkabah, the divine Chariot supported and drawn by the cherubim, which is at the same time a throne and a vehicle."
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Post by B on Aug 8, 2008 15:38:14 GMT -5
Does this mean we have to look into/give some credence to the theory that Stephen King killed John Lennon? I've never even bothered to investigate that one, because it seemed so absurd, but perhaps now I'll have to look to see if there is some kind of connection. (I hope not.) www.lennonmurdertruth.com/Are the two girls in the movie indicative of twin Pauls? The bloody double elevators? (Coming down fast?) "The mansion is warm, at the top of the hill Rich are the rooms and the comforts there Red are the arms of luxuriant chairs And you won't know a thing till you get inside"So many questions. What rubric did Kubrick includrick? red VW - Faul/Seth/King - the "bloody" Beatles team 'getting away with it Yellow VW - Son of the sun/Horus/Iamaphoney the kid - the avenging team in their sunny car Jack (the devil) - in the role of the perp; a victim of his own devices? endless possibilities
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Post by horseloverphat on Aug 8, 2008 16:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by B on Aug 8, 2008 17:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2008 22:52:54 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for that. Lots of reading to do. If you ask anyone who’s seen this movie on the face of the earth, except me, they will tell you they’re sure The Overlook is possessing Jack. Everyone thinks this, and now I'm saying that the exact opposite is true and what we’re looking at is another inverted Kubrickian reflection, and not what we thought was real. What's red is yellow and what's yellow is red, and in typical Kubrick fashion it’s not obvious.Oh but King said this many years ago when I saw him in person when he gave a lecture at my college... That Kubrick missed that the Overlook was possessed. The blogger here seems to be suggesting that Kubrick didn't miss a thing, that what he did was deliberate, right down to symbolically subverting King's version by taking King's red Beetle, burying it and replacing it with his yellow one. Wow! King was actually rather restrained, all things considered.. I mean, King was probably justified in taking it as being given the middle finger, the novel was his baby and all. All the same, so much here was pure genius, and I doubt you'll find a Kubrick movie with such attention to detail as this one, duly noted that all his movies did so.
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Post by iameye on Aug 8, 2008 23:08:10 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for that. Lots of reading to do. If you ask anyone who’s seen this movie on the face of the earth, except me, they will tell you they’re sure The Overlook is possessing Jack. Everyone thinks this, and now I'm saying that the exact opposite is true and what we’re looking at is another inverted Kubrickian reflection, and not what we thought was real. What's red is yellow and what's yellow is red, and in typical Kubrick fashion it’s not obvious.Oh but King said this many years ago when I saw him in person when he gave a lecture at my college... That Kubrick missed that the Overlook was possessed. The blogger here seems to be suggesting that Kubrick didn't miss a thing, that what he did was deliberate, right down to symbolically inverting King's version by taking King's red Beetle, burying it and replacing it with his yellow one. Wow! King was actually rather restrained, all things considered.. I mean, King was probably justified in taking it as being given the middle finger, the novel was his baby and all. All the same, so much here was pure genius, and I doubt you'll find a Kubrick movie with such attention to detail as this one, duly noted that all his movies did so. well, I'll admit I was a huge Stephen king fan in the "high school years" The shining was not a particular favorite, but a good read, though not particularly outstanding or true cult classic. I would say that may have been the point he began to spew out novels like a ticker tape machine. But I digress... . I did see the film when it came out, and as a fan, of king, didn't "get it" and was a little pissed about the story changes first most. So really don't compare the two.....the spooky twin thing was really a Diane arbus kinda rip off.But the snow maze blizzard scene was truly fantastic, as I recall. Seeing that GB thing with the bear, though, now is pretty gross. I dunno, because I would have to view the entire movie over again, in the current state of mind and just forget what novel it was based on. I have, anyway LOL
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Post by B on Aug 9, 2008 0:12:00 GMT -5
I'm thinking in terms of Stephen King and Stanley Kubrick as two magicians, with Kubrick undoing the work of King in the style of Iaap reversing Faul's stuff. Kubrick may "know" King to be someone the likes of whom he portrayed at the ceremony in "Eyes Wide Shut" or something. Or, one could argue, complementing the work of King. Providing a polarity to give the work "legs". I have been perusing the link of the guy who says King killed Lennon, and MDC is a patsy. He sounds a bit off his rocker, but at the same time there are some disturbing "coincidences" that jump out at me. Check out this page: www.lennonmurdertruth.com/skletters.asp"Rubber (Soul) Monkeys" ("Monkees "?)"In the Shadow of the Factory" - (The Warhol "The Factory" link coming up yet again?)"Why I Destroyed Planet Earth" - (Faul/Nicholson etc. as the devil again?)I'd like to read the guy's book, frankly. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Here he references King's book "Firestarter", a book about Iamaphoney a girl with the ability to psychicly set "people, buildings, and landscapes" on fire: www.lennonmurdertruth.com/killersface.aspThe fact that fires broke out around the London Eye when Iamaphoney's video came out takes on a curious import, given the fact that King wrote about a "remote-firestarter" doing such things.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 9, 2008 0:13:48 GMT -5
I've been working my way through 'Duma Key' (his latest) the past few days, and you know how it is.. the final third is where the pace picks up.. can't put it down. Never outgrew him myself. Just me probably, but I love a phrase like this: God punishes us for what we can't imagine.
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Post by iameye on Aug 9, 2008 0:34:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking in terms of Stephen King and Stanley Kubrick as two magicians, with Kubrick undoing the work of King in the style of Iaap reversing Faul's stuff. . Here he references King's book "Firestarter", a book about Iamaphoney a girl with the ability to psychicly set "people, buildings, and landscapes" on fire: www.lennonmurdertruth.com/killersface.aspThe fact that fires broke out around the London Eye when Iamaphoney's video came out takes on a curious import, given the fact that King wrote about a "remote-firestarter" doing such things. SPELLATHON? WHAT? all this iaap bs is reversing in a SPELLETHON? SPELLATHON? WHAT?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 9, 2008 10:05:01 GMT -5
I'm thinking in terms of Stephen King and Stanley Kubrick as two magicians, with Kubrick undoing the work of King in the style of Iaap reversing Faul's stuff. Kubrick may "know" King to be someone the likes of whom he portrayed at the ceremony in "Eyes Wide Shut" or something. Or, one could argue, complementing the work of King. Providing a polarity to give the work "legs". I have been perusing the link of the guy who says King killed Lennon, and MDC is a patsy. He sounds a bit off his rocker, but at the same time there are some disturbing "coincidences" that jump out at me. Check out this page: www.lennonmurdertruth.com/skletters.asp"Rubber (Soul) Monkeys" ("Monkees "?)"In the Shadow of the Factory" - (The Warhol "The Factory" link coming up yet again?)"Why I Destroyed Planet Earth" - (Faul/Nicholson etc. as the devil again?)I'd like to read the guy's book, frankly. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Here he references King's book "Firestarter", a book about Iamaphoney a girl with the ability to psychicly set "people, buildings, and landscapes" on fire: www.lennonmurdertruth.com/killersface.aspThe fact that fires broke out around the London Eye when Iamaphoney's video came out takes on a curious import, given the fact that King wrote about a "remote-firestarter" doing such things. King, Kubrick, Lennon, and McCartney... "King also wrote about "fire and movement and government plots to eliminate certain people" in the accompanying book review. In other books he writes about shooting a man between the shoulder blades. Getting a famous man's autograph before trying to kill him with a gun and other themes that parallel the murder of John Lennon" www.lennonmurdertruth.com/killersface.aspAnd from Revolution 9: "Only to find the night-watchman (Jose Perdomo?) Unaware of his presence in the building Number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine Number nine, number nine Industry allows financial imbalance Thrusting it between his shoulder blades" From Johnnys53 Shining blog: "Did you notice a chair moving between shots in each scene? This isn't a mistake or a movement of a camera angle, it’s deliberate and it happens at least five times in the movie. The invisible entities are present and are sitting in a chair making themselves comfortable while hanging around their host. In the Merriam-Webster’s dictionary the definition of the word Doppelganger is; a ghostly counterpart of a living person, and I believe there's proof here in these pictures that each major character in “The Shining” has a Doppelganger associated with them. These invisible entities are the power behind what’s causing everything to move around, disappear, and change colors, and when a person “Shines” their invisible Doppelganger is present in the scene as they’re doing it.
Someone else also had an invisible friend sitting next to him when he did his dirty work. Charles Grady was also able to “Shine” and his invisible entity was sitting in that very chair before he killed his family and himself. The reason the chair is now overturned is because he killed himself and there’s no invisible friend sitting there any more, and if Jack was a reincarnation of Grady, as some believe, that chair would be right side up because the doppelganger would be the same. Also from Revolution 9: "In my broken chair, my wings are broken and so is my hair"
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Post by B on Aug 9, 2008 15:09:42 GMT -5
Thanks for locating all that, P(D)enny! I appreciate having it all here in one place!
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2008 17:09:24 GMT -5
Thanks for locating all that, P(D)enny! I appreciate having it all here in one place! No problem, B. And there's more! From Johnnys53 blog: jonnys53.blogspot.com/2007/06/what-you-may-or-may-not-have-seen.html"The brightest and most obvious yellow items are Jack’s 2 special possessions that each play a significant role in the movie. The yellow Volkswagen ( changed from red in the novel) brings him to the Overlook... ...If you know where to look, in what may be the most brilliant example of something being hidden in plain sight in a movie, Jack’s yellow Volkswagen also changes color for one shot before his interview at the beginning of the film. The WHITE VW, lower right, is the only VW in the parking lot. Look closely at the hoods and windshields of the other two yellow cars on the left and you’ll see they aren’t VW’s." So, we have one yellow, one red, and one white Beetle. That's how many Beetles? 3.
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Post by iameye on Aug 10, 2008 18:06:07 GMT -5
I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene And I'm doing the best that I can.
at what point did the vw change colours?
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Post by iameye on Aug 10, 2008 18:20:11 GMT -5
HLP wrote: that would be me.......
21?
there are 21 bones to the human skull. 20 fused in the head, the 21st being the jawbone.On hinge alone. almost like a patella, but not exactly/ " the head bone's connected to the jawbone." sampson anyone?
lol
I believe the key to the puzzling date in the last shot of this movie is in the mirrors and it's why he put the numerical clues in "The Shining". 12 and 24 are the mirror images of 21 and 42, just as Redrum is the mirror image of murder
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2008 18:39:38 GMT -5
I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene And I'm doing the best that I can.at what point did the vw change colours? The film opens with a helicopter shot of A YELLOW Beetle driving through mountainous terrain to the Overlook Hotel, and finishes with a shot of the hotel parking lot, where a WHITE Beelte (but no YELLOW) is parked. Watch it:
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